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MaTH716 07-13-2010 08:21 AM

The Boss has passed.
 
I am hearing word of the passing of George Steinbrenner. Still havn't found a link.......But unfortunately assuming the worst.

R.I.P. Mr. Steinbrenner.

MaTH716 07-13-2010 08:29 AM

Still no link about his death....

I did find one about him being rushed to the hospital.
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2010/jul...news-breaking/

Princess Doreen 07-13-2010 08:29 AM

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2010/jul...news-breaking/

most recent info - doesn't say that he is dead.

The Yankee announcer, Bob Sheppard died.

MaTH716 07-13-2010 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 668490)
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2010/jul...news-breaking/

most recent info - doesn't say that he is dead.

The Yankee announcer, Bob Sheppard died.

Thank you, I am well aware of the difference.......

MaTH716 07-13-2010 08:36 AM

Apperantly it was a massive heart attack, but no confirmation of death as of yet.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...t_reports.html

Princess Doreen 07-13-2010 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 668491)
Thank you, I am well aware of the difference.......

It wasn't meant to be an insult - just some extra coincidental info.

Jeez!

randallscott35 07-13-2010 08:49 AM

Not a good person at all....The Boss is Springsteen

slotdirt 07-13-2010 08:55 AM

Seinfeld did a ton to rehab his image, as did retirement. A larger than life Yankees figure. Between him and Billy Martin, I'm not sure who created more lifelong Yankees haters in the 80's and 90's.

Arletta 07-13-2010 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 668497)
Not a good person at all....The Boss is Springsteen

Agree :)

Princess Doreen 07-13-2010 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 668497)
Not a good person at all....The Boss is Springsteen

Actually, I thought I was going to read that Bruce had passed.

NTamm1215 07-13-2010 09:00 AM

ESPN reports he died this morning.

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/m...ory?id=5375561

gales0678 07-13-2010 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 668497)
Not a good person at all....The Boss is Springsteen

typical met fan , yankee hater

MaTH716 07-13-2010 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 668501)
Actually, I thought I was going to read that Bruce had passed.

Why would Bruce Springsteen's death be in a sports thread?

If you are a Yanks fan, the only Boss was George Steinbrenner.

Unfortunately I have seen it confirmed all over the TV.......

R.I.P.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...t_reports.html

randallscott35 07-13-2010 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by gales0678 (Post 668503)
typical met fan , yankee hater

Nope, look at the history of the person as well as having friends who trained for him.

jms62 07-13-2010 09:05 AM

Everything he ever did was in the interest of making the Yanks the best they can be. Yankee fans owe him a debt of gratitude for that. RIP Boss and thanks for all you did for all of us Yankee fans who had to endure the Horace Clarke years.

gales0678 07-13-2010 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 668505)
Nope, look at the history of the person as well as having friends who trained for him.

You gotta look at the whole package , if you don't that the good outweighed the bad you are wrong


i can understand individual cases my have an axe to grind , but the good outweighed the bad and as far as baseball the good outweighed the bad

MaTH716 07-13-2010 09:12 AM

Oh I believe that he was real S.O.B. to work for. He also took a beating for some shady dealings in the late 80's.
But if you are a fan of the organization, how can you not love him? The most important thing in the world to him was winning and he would do anything possible for his team to reach it's goal.

gales0678 07-13-2010 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 668510)
Oh I believe that he was real S.O.B. to work for. He also took a beating for some shady dealings in the late 80's.
But if you are a fan of the organization, how can you not love him? The most important thing in the world to him was winning and he would do anything possible for his team to reach it's goal.

you think jack welch ,chuck lee , or any ceo of a major corporation was easy to work for ? no , to be a leader at the top you gotta be an sob and if you are not you don't make it

Princess Doreen 07-13-2010 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 668504)
Why would Bruce Springsteen's death be in a sports thread?

Sorry! I didn't pick up on that, and I'm not looking for an argument.

I'm sorry he died. I wonder if he was still involed in race horse ownership.

R.I.P., Mr. Steinbrenner.

MaTH716 07-13-2010 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by gales0678 (Post 668511)
you think jack welch ,chuck lee , or any ceo of a major corporation was easy to work for ? no , to be a leader at the top you gotta be an sob and if you are not you don't make it

Come on Marty.............You know there is a difference between just being hard to work for and being a ****. As much as I respect everything the man has done for the Yanks, apparently he fell into that **** category.

gales0678 07-13-2010 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 668514)
Come on Marty.............You know there is a difference between just being hard to work for and being a ****. As much as I respect everything the man has done for the Yanks, apparently he fell into that **** category.

most guys like it or not matt that get to the top and our ceo's have no mercy , they don't let up on employees

these guys and now ladies are not there to be your friend , they are there to make sure that the job gets done

once the impression in the office that the boss is soft , it's over , people aren't on edge , they relax and that relaxation flows right down the organization

it's just the way it is matt , some people just call someone an a-hole because they are hard to work for i know i have and i have been wrong for it

herkhorse 07-13-2010 09:29 AM

All Star Day an ironic day for him to pass, no?

Cannon Shell 07-13-2010 09:30 AM

George was a borderline sociopath that made a lot of people rich (including himself) via many shrewd business moves and a few strokes of luck. Along the way he forever changed sports in a negative manner though a lot of those negatives probably would have come to pass regardless. While he certainly was obsessed with winning which was a positive for fans of his team, the insane manner in which he ruled the team probably prevented the Yankees from being even more successful during his tenure.

AlreadyHome 07-13-2010 09:32 AM

Rip Boss- George S.
 
WOW I WOKE AN BREAKING NEWS WAS ON TV , THE YANKEES BOSS HAD DIE WHOAAAAAAAA THAT SUX , AN IT HURTSSSSS ,FIRST THE VOICE OF GOD DIES AN NOW THE BOSS..... RIP YOU'LL BE MISSED .,,, I'M SAD WOWWWWW:(

gales0678 07-13-2010 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 668518)
George was a borderline sociopath that made a lot of people rich (including himself) via many shrewd business moves and a few strokes of luck. Along the way he forever changed sports in a negative manner though a lot of those negatives probably would have come to pass regardless. While he certainly was obsessed with winning which was a positive for fans of his team, the insane manner in which he ruled the team probably prevented the Yankees from being even more successful during his tenure.

plesae expand mr simon , you have lost me

Kasept 07-13-2010 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by gales0678 (Post 668522)
plesae expand mr simon , you have lost me

Among other things, he established the precedence for meddlesome and capricious ownership as well as the 'buy' a championship mentality that has irreparably disrupted fan allegiance continuity.

gales0678 07-13-2010 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 668525)
Among other things, he established the precedence for meddlesome and capricious ownership as well as the 'buy' a championship mentality that has irreparably disrupted fan allegiance continuity.

steve he bought the team in 1973 , there were ups and downs along the way , please explain to me how the team and baseball as a whole is not better off today than if he never entered the game

did i like everything , of course not , but , i look at the total package and it helped not only the yankees but baseball as well

let's wait till bigs gets on here , he as well as anyone would probably know about all the millions that got into Tampa over the last 30 yrs that nobody ever hears about

Coach Pants 07-13-2010 10:21 AM

Peace out as.shole

gales0678 07-13-2010 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 668525)
Among other things, he established the precedence for meddlesome and capricious ownership as well as the 'buy' a championship mentality that has irreparably disrupted fan allegiance continuity.

how well does that work ? is it some of the time or all of the time?

during his tenure cinncinnati won 3 WS , the twins won twice , the royals won once , the marlins won twice , the diamondbacks won , the tigers won , the blue jays won twice

the braves won a world series and were in the playoffs more years in a row than the yankess

the mets , yes the mets , have won 1 WS since George took over and have spent more $$$ than all of the teams i listed about

just spending $$$ doesn't guarantee anything , the horses so to speak have to perform

Cannon Shell 07-13-2010 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 668525)
Among other things, he established the precedence for meddlesome and capricious ownership as well as the 'buy' a championship mentality that has irreparably disrupted fan allegiance continuity.

Not to mention that he exploited the geographical advantage to the extreme wherein the balance of the sport was forever changed resulting in the big market/small market mess that baseball is in now.

Perhaps that is "good business" for him and the Yankees but it didn't result in an overall positive for the sport and as I said in a previous post, his own meddlesome behavior prevented things from being a whole lot worse.

What we want for sports is usually not exactly what would we want for society in general but socialism in leagues like the NFL and the NBA works a whole lot better for the sport and all the teams than it does in baseball. The mismanagement of the Yankees for most of the 80's and the early part of the 90's prevented them from dominating for much longer than they should have coming out of the 70's and lulled baseball into thinking that not sharing virtually all revenues would not result in the mess that it became.

gales0678 07-13-2010 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 668534)
Not to mention that he exploited the geographical advantage to the extreme wherein the balance of the sport was forever changed resulting in the big market/small market mess that baseball is in now.

Perhaps that is "good business" for him and the Yankees but it didn't result in an overall positive for the sport and as I said in a previous post, his own meddlesome behavior prevented things from being a whole lot worse.

What we want for sports is usually not exactly what would we want for society in general but socialism in leagues like the NFL and the NBA works a whole lot better for the sport and all the teams than it does in baseball. The mismanagement of the Yankees for most of the 80's and the early part of the 90's prevented them from dominating for much longer than they should have coming out of the 70's and lulled baseball into thinking that not sharing virtually all revenues would not result in the mess that it became.

again you make no mention of the other team in NY that outspent nearly every other team in baseball over the last 30 yrs and has 1 championship to show for it , spending $$$ doesn't guarnatee anything

you guys gotta be kidding with this small market stuff , during george's tenure , small market teams won in the 70's 80' s 90's and 00's

take the orioles for example , is it george's fault that the have fallen into the abyss ...... or is it the lack of commitment from baltimore's ownership to spending $$$ to get better

Cannon Shell 07-13-2010 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by gales0678 (Post 668530)
how well does that work ? is it some of the time or all of the time?

during his tenure cinncinnati won 3 WS , the twins won twice , the royals won once , the marlins won twice , the diamondbacks won , the tigers won , the blue jays won twice

the braves won a world series and were in the playoffs more years in a row than the yankess

the mets , yes the mets , have won 1 WS since George took over and have spent more $$$ than all of the teams i listed about

just spending $$$ doesn't guarantee anything , the horses so to speak have to perform

George's mismanagement of the team doesn't mean that the monster (big market/small market) he created wont ultimately drag the league further down. When he bought the team MLB was clearly the number 1 sport in the US. That is far from the truth now and one of the primary reasons is that with proper management in the NFL virtually every team can compete.

slotdirt 07-13-2010 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gales0678 (Post 668530)
how well does that work ? is it some of the time or all of the time?

during his tenure cinncinnati won 3 WS , the twins won twice , the royals won once , the marlins won twice , the diamondbacks won , the tigers won , the blue jays won twice

the braves won a world series and were in the playoffs more years in a row than the yankess

the mets , yes the mets , have won 1 WS since George took over and have spent more $$$ than all of the teams i listed about

just spending $$$ doesn't guarantee anything , the horses so to speak have to perform

You know that the Marlins two World Series wins are the definition of buying a championship, right?

Also, the Twins won twice, not once.

Cannon Shell 07-13-2010 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gales0678 (Post 668535)
again you make no mention of the other team in NY that outspent nearly every other team in baseball over the last 30 yrs and has 1 championship to show for it , spending $$$ doesn't guarnatee anything

you guys gotta be kidding with this small market stuff , during george's tenure , small market teams won in the 70's 80' s 90's and 00's

take the orioles for example , is it george's fault that the have fallen into the abyss ...... or is it the lack of commitment from baltimore's ownership to spending $$$ to get better

The Orioles are a great example of what i am talking about. They have actually spent more money than they should have based on revenues but havent won because they spent the money poorly.

The reason that the Yankees didn't win more championships was because of George. The late 90's teams were built during the era when George was banned. The latest yankee teams were built during a period when George was no longer calling the shots. This is not a coincidence.

Cannon Shell 07-13-2010 10:55 AM

The poor showings in the 1980s and 1990s would soon change. Steinbrenner hired Howard Spira to uncover damaging information on Winfield and was subsequently suspended from day-to-day team operations by Commissioner Fay Vincent when the plot was revealed. This turn of events allowed management to implement a coherent acquisition/development program without owner interference. General Manager Gene Michael, along with manager Buck Showalter, shifted the club's emphasis from high-priced acquisitions to developing talent through the farm system. This new philosophy developed key players such as outfielder Bernie Williams, shortstop Derek Jeter, catcher Jorge Posada, and pitchers Andy Pettitte and Mariano Rivera.

The only Championships that had Stienbrenners fingerprints on them were the first two which were for a large part part due to Free Agent signings like Reggie and Catfish Hunter, among the first big money free agent signings.

slotdirt 07-13-2010 11:07 AM

God rest his soul, but dang, was Catfish Hunter just not that good. Worst modern starting pitcher in the HOF, easily.

Detroit isn't a small market team, for what it's worth. Neither are Boston or the Florida Marlins or the Mets, all teams that have won World Series titles in the Steinbrenner era. Toronto is a freaking huge city, albeit Canadian. Philly is what, like fourth largest media market? Atlanta is huge. The only legitimate small market/small payroll team to win the World Series since the Twins in '91 are the Diamondbacks, and I don't recall their payroll being small in 2001.

pointman 07-13-2010 11:14 AM

As a lifelong Yankee fan, I had times that I loved and hated Steinbrenner. However, the one constant was his will to win championships. Whether it is good or bad for the game, it has been good to be a Yankee fan. RIP to George and to Bob Sheppard as well.

the_fat_man 07-13-2010 11:16 AM

With all his money he couldn't BUY more than 80 years? No unfair advantage here?

Hickory Hill Hoff 07-13-2010 11:27 AM

I think HIS negatives out weighed ALL he accomplished as a business man.......being very SUCCESSFUL!

R.I.P. George :(

AeWingnut 07-13-2010 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 668501)
Actually, I thought I was going to read that Bruce had passed.


I would have prefer that


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