Gio Ponti or Lookin At Lucky in the Hall of Fame?
 

If Point Given can get in, does it really matter if any horse ever gets in? I mean its a joke.

How is Point Given getting in a joke?

Are you ****ing serious? There was a whole thread about this when you were in the bathroom for 4 months.

If someone said Point Given was the best 3-year-old from 2010 going all the way back to Holy Bull ... I wouldn't even attempt to argue.

He was not a joke.

He did not do enough to be in the Hall of Fame. Not even close. I'm losing respect for you thinking he belongs.

He's arguably the best 3yo since Holy Bull. He won the Travers with a 117 Beyer wearing a bar shoe in his final lifetime start.. that to complete a four race sweep of the Preakness, Belmont, Haskell, and Travers.

He wasn't exactly a bad 2yo either ... he missed winning the BC Juvie by a nose despite being 14th and last on the turn. He went by good 2yo's like they were standing still. Macho Uno and Street Cry, the 1st and 3rd place finishers of that race .. were very good 2yos.

You think Lookin At Lucky was better?

What does Lookin at Lucky have to do with this? Nothing. Fact is Point Given didn't do enough. It's all about what you think constitutes a Hall of Fame career. If you want to dumb it down like a standardized test, go ahead. When I saw he got in, an obvious nod to a Baffert love affair in this business I decided it didn't matter who was in the Hall from here on out. Meaningless.

Did Curlin do enough for you?

Yes. Older seasons matter. And winning the BC Classic on dirt against older matters. Last I looked, show me Point Given's win against older? Or should Landaluce be in the Hall...I mean she was 5 for 5.:rolleyes:

And you act as if you should give bonus points to the horse for being a cripple, aka beating Burning Roma by a neck at Monmouth and winning another race with a bar shoe. I like my horses sound. They don't get bonus points for winning hurt. That;s harness racing.

Required reading Doug. Put down your Hustler.
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...ight=hall+fame

Curlin's BC Classic win was like a glorified 3yo race anyway. Who were the older horses in that race? Lawyer Ron (who didn't run one step) George Washington (who should have stayed retired and broke down) Awesome Gem (Hey - he ran 3rd) Diamond Stripes

Corinthian won the Dirt Mile the day before with a 119 Beyer in blowout fashion for his final lifetime race ... that was the first year of the watered down Breeders Cup Program.

I'm not saying Curlin won't get in or isn't deserving ... but Point Given had a better 2yo season and better 3yo season ... it's not Curlin's 4yo season was utterly spectacular either. After retirements by Hard Spun, Any Given Saturday, Corinthian, and Street Sense .. who was left besides him?

I can't help you if you don't want to help yourself. Even my arch enemy thinks Point Given in the Hall is laughable. Get a grip.

Point Given would have laughed at Curlin as he was running away from him.

What's laughable is that people think Gio Ponti and Lookin At Lucky have a great shot of getting in.

What's laughable is that so many jockeys and trainers are in .. there should be about five or six of each per century.

You can't name a single horse in the last 15 years who was unquestionably better than Point Given as a 3-year-old .... I can name about 50 3yo's over that span who were much better than Lookin At Lucky.

How about A.P. Indy being inducted?

Gio's 1000x more deserving and he's not even remotely deserving.

So from some dumb link about Lookin At lucky you have hypothesized that lots of people thinks he belongs? There are idiots all over it doesn't make them right. I'm glad you give credence to Bar shoes. Still waiting for Leroidesanimaux or whatever it is getting in after his gutty mile effort while wearing a crutch.

Neither of them deserve it right now, but even though I dislike Gio, I 100% agree with this.

A joke?
I think a person could make a reasonable argument either way on Point Given. If somebody thinks the Hall should have a very strict standard for admittance (as you apparently do) that's fine. Others might not.
Personally, I think when you compare Point Given to the horses of his era he stacks up very nicely. There sure weren't a lot of 3yos in the decade before or after him that had better campaigns.
If you don't think he should be in...fine. But it is hardly as obviously wrong as you want to make it seem. Personally I think he belongs.

You answered your own question. Its the Hall Of Fame. It either means something or it doesn't. You believe it doesn't. So be it.

He was one hell of a turf horse.

Obviously he shouldn't come close because he's a turf horse.

It took all the way until 2008 for Manila to get in. Gio Ponti is not exactly Manila.

Yup and he doesn't belong either.

Mineshaft - now there is a horse who doesn't belong!

In a sense you're right. I honestly don't care about who gets in and who doesn't. The HOF doesn't really interest me.
If you disagree with Point Given getting in, that's fine. I totally think you can make a very legitimate argument against him.
But I think people can make a legitimate argument for him as well.

Haha, and he isn't there is he.

Yeah - If he got in - I think Point Given's case was very solid.

If Deshawn Park still leads the nation in wins as a black jockey based in West Virginia .. after not riding the first two months of the year and missing enough time to cost me 10K due to breaking his foot ..... does he deserve to get in?

:(...Make 10k the old fashioned way. Work.

I'm not putting myself through something I don't want to do when I have no use for the money anyway.

If you think winning those contests, isnt work. Think again.

Yes him sitting home, playing an online horse contest, while talking about socks and jerking off is hard work. I totally agree.

What do you want from me Joseph? To go off to some fagotty school for a long time and get hooked up with Goldman Sachs so I can try and easily out thieve the best of the scum?

Ditch digger would suffice

You told me recently its all in good clean fun, no?

Manila doesn't belong?????

I hope you were trying to imply the other horse doesn't.

GP, not Manilia