Beyer blasting NY racing on ATR
 

Loves the Monmouth meet though...

This could lead to a big fallout.

How to win friends.... NOT!

How so?

yup, we really needed that pointed out.......full fields, good horses, jockies and trainers versus 5 horse fields....i would of never guessed without him running his mouth.

A lot of people who defend Beyer on a regular basis around here and especially on PA totally stand behind NY racing and NYRA.

Note it is Belmont... Saratoga is a different animal.

When we bring it up here we are routinely blasted.

Why aren't people simply allowed to have an opinion? It isn't about defending him anymore than anyone else. For my money Beyer at least makes coherent arguments while guests like Davidowitz don't know what planet they are on.

Most of the horses in NY aren't good. I don't get sitting them out 6-8 weeks per race. It's not like most of them improve due to the rest. And quite frankly if they can't run every 21-35 days then maybe they shouldn't be running at all.

Coach I have said this before the worst thing that ever happened to Belmont/Aqueduct was Ernie P getting busted.

I know this is radical thinking but if you boot the ones who aren't running enough then eventually you will get trainers who will run their horses and the local owners will be forced to move their horses to them.

Belmont and Aqueduct are boring to me, Saratoga is the exception. Even some NY racing fans have admitted that Monmouth this year offers a much better alternative than Belmont from what I have read. I haven't heard the interview but I'm just glad Beyer added validity to what many already know, that there is something wrong with NY racing for the casual fan, the hardcore N.Y player that will stick with it through thick and thin but perhaps this can be a catalyst to shaking things up.

how does he add validity to common sense if you like to bet horses? i am a NY bettor and it did not take this many weeks to figure this out.(most knew what was coming when monmouth announced) i still do better at belmont, its just not as interesting. the favorites in Ny are many times, way over bet. like those goofy numbers are valid too. they are for lazy people that can't watch a race or rate classes of horses by actually reading the form.

When someone of Beyer's influence in the game says he likes what is happening with Monmouth this year, it adds validity to what they are doing with their racing model. I can only speak for myself but I am far more interested in betting Monmouth this year due to the changes. As you stated yourself, bigger fields, big purses, big name connections, jocks, what is there not to like?

Track monogamy is about as antiquated in the present period as playing pic 3's/4's/6's is. The idea is to get what you want, i.e. ADVANTAGEOUS PLAYS, from a whole bunch of tracks. That's what I do. And my thread yesterday was all about this: the fact that on a Thursday, in the summer, so many of the larger tracks were CLOSED, leaving me with pretty much nothing to do but squeeze TWO plays out of the pitiful BEL card. YET, today/tomorrow/sunday, I'll have my hands full with all the tracks operating at pretty much the same time. Certainly not the best way to market the game in the present era.

I think everyone on here realizes by now that when you post, it's always all about you.

Or Quality Road.

I think the point he is making is a good one, minus the Quality Road bashing.

I'm sort of confused how one has anything to do with the other.

why so many scratches at Belmont today?

LOL @ this dude complaining about me deleting his post, then deleting it himself. You can't make this stuff up.

Clowns

Almost as if they simply enter to get the races to go knowing they are going to scratch. Moribund situation down state.

heading down to Monmouth

Read into it what you want . Steve gave him a leading question looking for him to say something negative about Monmouth, he didn't take the bait and instead bashed Belmont.. Small part of the segment indeed but classic.

You should have left the dipshit part in.

I did? That's funny.

The one doing the reading into is you.

It was a conversation about alternative wagering concepts with special attention to exchange betting.

Come on Steve, I was born at night but not last night. I'd like others opinion that heard the segment. It was a great segment though and I continue to love the show even though you are a bigger homer than Phil Rizzuto:D

A bigger homer about what?

It's remarkable that no one can have any discussion or try to offer any broad insights on a topic without immediate attempts to create polarizing divisions. It's frankly bizarre.

Right now, It's pretty easy to "blast" what is passing as horse racing at every race track in the country except Monmouth Park and Evangeline.

IMO Steve has tried very hard to protect the NYRA product, while not overly supporting the MP changes. We all (save Fatty) hope that NYRA's product returns to be the best betting opportunity in America but Fri-Sunday it isn't. MP is a better meet and it has attracted very good races to bet.

I have never heard Steve say "Holy cow" even once on his show.

Nothing wrong with having a biasis which you do, why shouldnt you have a facv? Your opinion stems from your opinion that NY will change as soon as VLT's come on line and your feeling that this is a 1 off meet for NJ.. We all get it, NY will be monsta and MP will have a 30 mil model if that going forward..

or Huckleberry..But he does a nice job with Bday's

Thanks for the interpretation Freddy. The meet is fun and the P5 is the best bet out there right now and I cap and play it every weekend. I promoted the New Jersey plan plenty upon introduction with several visits from Bobby Kulina and John Forbes. I talk about the Monmouth cards and stakes every week. But what is stunning in these odd exchanges about what the NJ program is supposed to be testing, is how reality has been utterly suspended. People talk about MTH right now as if this meet is an annual institution that is racing's greatest treasure. It isn't. It's a noble expirement carved out of desperation to see if there will be any future for racing in New Jersey.

Discussion of the Monmouth meet that fails to address its' complete and almost certain transience is 100% incomplete and pointless. While there's a ways to go and its' nice to have big fields, the reality is the handle on the cards isn't meeting the levels it needs to in order to come close to sustaining the concept. God forbid anyone try and introduce that reality to the proceedings... What should be the focus of the discussion is not some vapid NY v. NJ chest-thumping but what about MTH is working, what isn't and what level of racing dates and purse contributions make sense.

It took a full week for anyone to understand what the point was of the "$1,000,000 a day" thread, and clearly today's conversation with Beyer seems to be evading comprehension. I'm for ALL racing and am eager, and in fact desperate, to figure out what we need to do as an industry, as players, as owners, as fans, to stabilize and grow the game. I find ways to talk as encouragingly as possible about Magna, CDI, NYRA and every other entity in the game. It isn't as mundane as being defensive of NYRA at the expense of the NJSEA.

The handle is beyond ANYONE's imagination its a teriffic success, assuming it continues it WILL have a ton of support from NJSEA and the State.. BTW support is = to money. The casino deal will evovle and the State will conjure up a way to find a paultry 15 or so mil to keep the recipe in place. The nay sayers including Crist and friends are looking to equate a handle to purse ratio vs. business/industry development. The State is committed to growing the industry even if includes subsidizing it wth dollars. It's called investing and it is my opinion NJ gets it. As long as the handles continues to elipsce even the most wild spectulations the State will stand behind NJ Racing and GIVE it money to grow.. This isnt NY

As for you supporting MP, of course you do you are an advocate of racing. Your Fav is NYRA and it comes across loud and clear even when some horrible racing is on tap daily at Belmont. Some of this stuff is just awful and frankly those are words that NEVER come out of your mouth there is always sometype of out of place spin. As advocate call it like it is a function of poor stock levels, MP, and crappy purses due to financial difficulties. Some of the current cards arent even Inner track quality never mind July in NY.

So far this year it has been.

Who cares?


This 2010 Monmouth meet is its own entity and should be judged that way. Who cares about anything else?

Management at a track like Presque Isle - where table games just started yesterday - would love to run a 25 day meet again instead of a 100 day meet.

They would gladly quickly give away the fortune the state requires them to give away in purses.. and be done with racing like that.

Total pipe dream that I just pulled out of my ass time .... but I'd love to see all of these miserable racinos work together and run shortened 20 to 25 day super meets for huge money.

Have Delaware give all their purses away in 20 racing days, Presque Isle give them all away in 20 racing days, Mountaineer give them all away in 25 racing days, Charles Town give them all away in 25 racing days, Indiana Downs 25 racing days, Hoosier 15 racing days, Prarie Meadows 25 days, Delta Downs 15 days, Sunland 20 days, Zia Park 15 days, Finger Lakes 20 days. Philly Park can be the place that goes heads up with Saratoga and Del Mar and run for six or seven weeks.

Let those 12 miserable casino tracks band together and form one year round super meet that would surely generate a blockbuster brand of racing for bettors.

Zenyatta! :D

Biasis Freddy?