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smartbid09 07-05-2010 06:41 PM

What Horse do you think should have won the Triple Crown?
 
Which horse or horses do you think deserved to have won the Triple Crown that didn't? Which horse deserved his name right along side the immortal 11 as a triple crown winner?

Some arguee that no horse has ever deserved to have the title of Triple Crown winner next to his name that didn't win the triple crown. They feel, "If a horse is good enough to win the triple crown he'll win it and if he's not than the racing god's won't let him win".

But if you disagree with this than which horse in your estimate deserved to win the triple crown that did not?

smartbid09 07-05-2010 06:44 PM

There are a few super-horses I feel should have won the triple crown that didn't.

I think the top three horses who didn't win the triple crown that deserved to are: Alydar, Native Dancer and Spectacular Bid.

Other horses who I feel were triple crown worthy: Sunday Silence, and though I don't know much about him Afleet Alex. Afleet Alex seemed like a true superhorse from the small ammount I've seen him do.

Man O' War would have won the triple crown in my estimate had he run in all three triple crown races.

Hickory Hill Hoff 07-05-2010 06:49 PM

Real Quiet ALMOST did...............:D

3kings 07-05-2010 07:02 PM

Point Given & Empire Maker

Danzig 07-05-2010 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by smartbid09 (Post 665405)
There are a few super-horses I feel should have won the triple crown that didn't.

I think the top four horses who didn't win the triple crown that deserved to are: Alydar, Native Dancer and Spectacular Bid.

Other horses who I feel were triple crown worthy: Sunday Silence, and though I don't know much about him Afleet Alex. Afleet Alex seemed like a true superhorse from the small ammount I've seen him do.

Man O' War would have won the triple crown in my estimate had he run in all three triple crown races.

who's #4?

can't argue with the three listed, that's for sure.

i'd add northern dancer and riva ridge.
absolutely agree that man o'war most likely was a winner had he run in the derby.


as for afleet alex, he was no superhorse.

RockHardTen1985 07-05-2010 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 3kings (Post 665409)
Point Given & Empire Maker

This is kind of silly... How can a horse who did not even run in all 3 races be on this list? If thats the case, then why not Bernardini? His Preakness was huge, and Im positive he was more talented then Barbaro....
I do agree with Point Given though.

Indian Charlie 07-05-2010 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 665413)
This is kind of silly... How can a horse who did not even run in all 3 races be on this list? If thats the case, then why not Bernardini? His Preakness was huge, and Im positive he was more talented then Barbaro....
I do agree with Point Given though.

See Doug, I told you Barbaro was a better horse than Bernardini.

Linny 07-05-2010 09:12 PM

In retrospect, Man O War and Native Dancer and Bid probably proved most worthy. MOW was never able to try and ND was nosed in the Derby after a bad trip and while I love him Bid was probably not at his best beyond 10f.
Beyond that I'd give honorable mention to Damascus and even Tim Tam who was second in the Belmont on a busted leg, as well as Sunday Silence. (Easy Goer's ankles were not as troubled by the wide turns at Belmont.)

RockHardTen1985 07-05-2010 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 665439)
See Doug, I told you Barbaro was a better horse than Bernardini.

I would like for some of the other Dt members to voice there opinion on this...
I think the world of Barbaro, I loved him... I think Bernardini would have won the Preakness had Barbaro not gone down.

Indian Charlie 07-05-2010 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 665458)
I would like for some of the other Dt members to voice there opinion on this...
I think the world of Barbaro, I loved him... I think Bernardini would have won the Preakness had Barbaro not gone down.

heh.

Benny Leger 07-05-2010 10:01 PM

I don't think he was a "super horse"...but they did kinda gang up on Smarty Jones in the Belmont.

smartbid09 07-05-2010 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 665411)
who's #4?

can't argue with the three listed, that's for sure.

i'd add northern dancer and riva ridge.
absolutely agree that man o'war most likely was a winner had he run in the derby.


as for afleet alex, he was no superhorse.

hahaha about the top four meant top 3! I'm fixing that

Thunder Gulch 07-06-2010 09:59 AM

The Green Monkey

dagolfer33 07-06-2010 10:19 AM

Charismatic. I honestly believe he wins if he doesn't get hurt. It's odd that his name doesn't come up that often when talking TC near misses, he had a legit excuse.

Indian Charlie 07-06-2010 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dagolfer33 (Post 665549)
Charismatic. I honestly believe he wins if he doesn't get hurt. It's odd that his name doesn't come up that often when talking TC near misses, he had a legit excuse.

He was a beautiful horse, but man, that crop sucked. He really wasn't that great a runner.

dagolfer33 07-06-2010 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 665550)
He was a beautiful horse, but man, that crop sucked. He really wasn't that great a runner.

I agree with your statement wholeheartedly. I don't believe comparatively he may stack up talent wise to most of the other near missers, but I think he should have won the TC.

ddthetide 07-06-2010 10:43 AM

i liked Afleet Alex. he might not have been a "super horse" but as he matured he was going to be awful tough to beat. his Belmont may have been more impressive than his Preakness. by Belmont history, the only final split faster than AA was Secretariat. AA won by 10? or more?

Round Pen 07-06-2010 11:15 AM

:D No I am not that old to Remember this but one who should Be added to the List Would Be Coaltown, He got tired of chasing Citation Around in 1948.
In fact Coaltown Was voted horse of the year in 1949 because Citation set out the year with an Injury

FATPIANO 07-06-2010 01:09 PM

There are a few horses that deserved it ,Point Given,Smary Jones, Sunday Silence, Silver Charm, Afleet Alex and even Real Quiet, But no horse deserves it more than SPECTACULAR BID. He was probably the best horse ever to look through a bridle.

TouchOfGrey 07-06-2010 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FATPIANO (Post 665604)
There are a few horses that deserved it ,Point Given,Smary Jones, Sunday Silence, Silver Charm, Afleet Alex and even Real Quiet, But no horse deserves it more than SPECTACULAR BID. He was probably the best horse ever to look through a bridle.

:tro:

SundaySilence 07-06-2010 01:19 PM

Eskendereya because this years 3 year olds sucked.

AlreadyHome 07-06-2010 01:45 PM

BB
 
Big Brown should of won it ............
next year Kantharos will win it he runs with power with out asking i can imaging if the jockey ask him to run whoaaaaaaaaaaaa TripleCrownWinner in the Making
:tro:

OldDog 07-06-2010 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dagolfer33 (Post 665549)
Charismatic. I honestly believe he wins if he doesn't get hurt. It's odd that his name doesn't come up that often when talking TC near misses, he had a legit excuse.

Agreed, and I'm glad you brought him up.

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 665550)
He was a beautiful horse . . .

Still is, standing stud in Aomori, Japan.

ESPN is supposed to feature Charismatic, and by extension I'm sure -- Chris Antley -- on one of their "30 for 30" shows this year, but they haven't yet set a date for it.

FATPIANO 07-06-2010 03:33 PM

Are any of you aware that The Bid was 24 for 24 from 7 furlongs to 10 furlongs. name me any other horse that can say that........

Indian Charlie 07-06-2010 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by FATPIANO (Post 665634)
Are any of you aware that The Bid was 24 for 24 from 7 furlongs to 10 furlongs. name me any other horse that can say that........

Mr. Ed?

Indian Charlie 07-06-2010 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 665639)
Mr. Ed?

Well, I thought it was pretty funny.

johnny pinwheel 07-06-2010 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 665411)


as for afleet alex, he was no superhorse.

i disagree, his win in the preakness was remarkable. his belmont was a jog and the hopeful was one of the best 2 year old races you will ever see. he was tons better than that years crop.

miraja2 07-06-2010 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FATPIANO (Post 665634)
Are any of you aware that The Bid was 24 for 24 from 7 furlongs to 10 furlongs....

Nope.
Who is "The Bid?" and what is a "furlong"?

Indian Charlie 07-06-2010 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel (Post 665854)
i disagree, his win in the preakness was remarkable. his belmont was a jog and the hopeful was one of the best 2 year old races you will ever see. he was tons better than that years crop.

Afleet Alex was the Big Brown of his crop.

Really good horse with a truly awful supporting cast.

cmorioles 07-06-2010 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by smartbid09 (Post 665404)
Which horse or horses do you think deserved to have won the Triple Crown that didn't? Which horse deserved his name right along side the immortal 11 as a triple crown winner?

Some arguee that no horse has ever deserved to have the title of Triple Crown winner next to his name that didn't win the triple crown. They feel, "If a horse is good enough to win the triple crown he'll win it and if he's not than the racing god's won't let him win".

But if you disagree with this than which horse in your estimate deserved to win the triple crown that did not?

I know it isn't a him, but OBVIOUSLY Zenyatta would have won the Triple Crown had it been a goal. She also would have taken the All American Futurity at 2 and the Hambo after the Belmont.

Indian Charlie 07-06-2010 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 665863)
I know it isn't a him, but OBVIOUSLY Zenyatta would have won the Triple Crown had it been a goal. She also would have taken the All American Futurity at 2 and the Hambo after the Belmont.

Don't be a tard.

Everyone knows that Zenyatta only races at THE classic distance of a mile and a quarter.

Those other classics would be way beneath her.

smartbid09 07-07-2010 01:42 AM

I have heard it argued that Little Current could have won the Triple Crown. Little Current had the misfortune of running in the 100th Kentucky Derby - a year when 23 horses ran in the classic. The Biggest Kentucky Derby field ever. He ran into traffic and was unable to use his powerful closing kick... I'm not going to say that Little Current deserved to win the crown but people (Jon White of HRTV included) think that Little Current could have won... Not should have but could have... Any thoughts? I know very little about little Current...

johnny pinwheel 07-07-2010 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 665856)
Afleet Alex was the Big Brown of his crop.

Really good horse with a truly awful supporting cast.

i disagree with that too.....alex was twice the horse big brown was. he won grade 1's at 2 and 3....big brown was a 3 race wonder.

smartbid09 07-07-2010 12:14 PM

Swaps or Nassua perhaps deserved to win the triple crown. Swaps didn't run in all 3 races and Nassua would have won the triple crown if not for Swaps win in the Derby.

NTamm1215 07-07-2010 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel (Post 665886)
i disagree with that too.....alex was twice the horse big brown was. he won grade 1's at 2 and 3....big brown was a 3 race wonder.

Agreed. Don't forget that Rose probably cost him the BC Juvenile as well.

NT


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