Underrated / Overrated
 

Okay we're at the halfway point of the year (oh shut up, I know what month it is :D).

The most underrated horse of the past 6 months was.....

The most overrated?

Fill in the blanks.

This is likely to turn into another one of "those" threads. The answer to the question(s) you ask depend on who is overrating or underrating any given horse.

Commentary aside Goldikova may be the most underrated (or underappreciated) and 85 in a 50 the most overrated.

In order to be underrated or overrated ... one must have a set of some entities ratings to base their judgement on.

Blame is the most overrated.

He's logical ... but have you actually heard what people have been saying about Zenyatta?

By the way ... of all the things posters and those in the press are notorious for sucking at the most ... it is how they go about forming their idiotic judgements on who they say is overrated and who they say is underrated.

There's a very simple method for doing this the correct way.

You look at each division as its own entity ... you isolate the divisions who are both strongest and weakest in terms of depth and quality in relation to years and years past within that same division.

To find the most overrated horse ... you're simply looking for the horse with the most impressive set of credentials earned without showing the expected quality of performance befitting of a horse with those credential and earned without facing the expected quality of opponet befitting a horse of its repute and credentials.

To the find the most underrated horse ... you're simply looking for an impressive horse without impressive credentials because they've faced historically strong divisional competition which has alllowed them to become overshaddowed.

Zenyatta is a clear winner for being the most overrated, since she is nowhere near the best filly or mare of all time.

Any argument made against this reasoning is simply proof of being retarded.

I was having trouble coming up with an underrated horse, and then it occurred to me, that MMSC was asking a trick question, since it's nearly impossible to underrate anyone currently running.

It's not easy picking a most underrated horse so far this year... but here's my pick.

http://community.drf.com/files/hollywood-hit.pdf


You're talking about an Oklahoma bred racing in Canada that pretty much no one cares about ... he's beaten some pretty nice horses and run some very fast races .. especially for synthetic surfaces.

Wow, that's a pretty nice looking horse. However, now that you've outed him, PG1985 will become aware of this horse and proclaim him the greatest sprinter since Zensational, thus either making him the most overrated horse this year, or not making him the most overrated horse this year.

Either way, he's almost a certainty to win OK bred HOY 2010.

Not a trick question and very nice example with Hollywood Hit.

I feel bad naming my first overrated. I'm sorry Brockguy! I know you like this one a lot.

Presvis.
Was a very nice horse but lately?
9th at Ascot
5th at Sha Tin (QE II) Cup
5th at Kranji (SIA Cup)
11th in Dubai

Cavalryman.
Formerally with Fabre, now with Godolphin.
Prix Niel (G2) winner
Won Grand Prix De Paris (Group 1)
3rd in the Arc
5th in the Coronation Cup
12th Prince of Wales's
Down, down, down and it's a shame cause he could have been, well... it's too bad.

Underrated...

Typhoon Tracy.
4 G1 wins, 3 of which were this year and so many people have never heard this name. 10 wins from 14 starts total.

http://horseform.racingandsports.com...137B93D55E8D22

Spanish Moon.

Always neglected, always ignored, never talked about...
6, 3, 2 from 15 starts
Wins include Prix Foy (he beat Vision d'Etat)
Grand Prix de Saint-Cloud (Group 1)
2nd in the Hong Kong Vase
Nice horse who I think gets confused with Purple Moon (who is okaaay).

Ice Box might have been a decent choice two days after the Derby ... but after the Belmont that goes out the window. Does anyone really still think he's anything?

I've always been amazed by how stupid people are with the simple concept of understanding what it means to be underrated and overrated.

Well, if you are going to talk about underrated horses from Hong Kong, there is this horse I'm really high on that's been running on the planet of Ork. Mindy's Pet.

He's only won 3 of 8 starts, but I feel once they stop running him over astro turf, he'll do much better.

If not for the big Z, Ice Box would have been a runaway winner of the overrated question. And that was before the Belmont.

That was for maybe like 2 days after the Derby. Obviously not before it. The horse he nipped in the FLA Derby photo goes today at CD on the turf.

Not for me. Now, maybe not since he lost, but after he won the Fla Derby, bleh.

The attention the two Zito horses were getting was unwarranted in my eyes.

No one acted like his Fla Derby win was any sign of greatness. Devil May Care went faster same day and distance and all this years Florida Derby will ever be remembered for is Eskanderya's late defection because his owner didn't want too much time between his final Derby prep and the Derby.

In my eyes, even with all that, I thought he was overrated.

I understand what you are saying though.

ice box is a nice horse..every other derby horse had at least two bad legs of the tc..i cashed on him in the fla derby and the kd.. the price was crazy in the belmont..

they all[ 3 year old crop ]would look overrated if eskandera was healthy.

Based on what? Who in this Country is 100% better then him right now? At best you could name 3 horses, and thats even pushing it.... How is he not the clear cut second best older male in training, and if he came along a year earlier he would have won the Older Male title last year, you cant tell me he would not have crushed Bullsbay, and Macho Again on a regular basis. Nevermind... He did beat up on them, as a 3yr old.

See Dougie's post on finding overrated horses.

overrated---------Gio Ponti

underrated--------Quality Road

If this was a year with no smack talk between Zen and Rachel, Q Road would truly be front and center with no equals.

Gio Ponti sometimes just barely good enough and other times not, BC champ race might have made many believe he was better than he really is.

Eskendrya is far from great.... but to stress being healthy as a big part of being great is silly.

It's like saying Zenyatta or Azeri can't be great no matter what because they didn't stand up to the rigors to make it to the races early on .. and were handled with extreme kid gloves while action starved owners pressed their good fillys for blacktype in all those key Graded Stakes restricted to 2yo's and 3yo's.

I know Rags To Riches was born the same year as Zenyatta .. I actually thought Nashoba's Key was a 2004 foal as well but I looked and saw she was 2003. Do you think any less of Nashoba's Key's ability as a race horse because she killed herself acting up in her stall?

... I'd have to list ALL of them!

I'm a moron but you just reminded me of something...

When I was doing this thread, before I was interrrupted? Gio was my pick for overrated and Wiener Walzer (GER) for underrated.

Stupid kids making me blank out! :eek: :D

Granted his 2010 has been rather underwhelming thus far but Gio Ponti's 4 race winning streak in 2009 in Grade I races from 8-11 furlongs was awfully strong.

It's tough to have an underrated/overrated list when most horses are so bad.

NT

glad I refreshed your memory

Two underappreciated horses are Musket Man and The Usual Q.T.

A previously overrated, but now exposed, horse has to be Munnings.

Afleet Alex was also far from great.

His crop was pretty dimsal.

He was behind Bellamy Road in the Derby betting and was beaten by Giacomo and Closing Argument.

As impressive as he was in victory in the Preakness and Belmont ... Scrappy T was 2nd in the Preakness and the horrid Andromeda's Hero and maiden Nolan's Cat finished 2nd and 3rd to him in the Belmont.

overrated?

zenyatta
rachel



underrated?

any horses compared to the above two.

I think Left Bank is a bit underrated....You dont hear much about him, but his last 2 career races were pretty big. He also won the Met Mile and was a champion. How many horses win the Met, Tom Fool and Whitney? How many horses run 120 plus beyers going 7f and 9f?

He won the Cigar, not the Met Mile..

Sorry... I was looking at his pp's in the Champions book, I thought it was the Met. Still pretty impressive though, IMO

Love that book...I got the revised edition and look back through it all the time.