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Kasept 06-25-2010 12:09 PM

When does the $1,000,000 a day start at MTH?
 
Just noticed that there's maybe $450,000 or so in purses at Monmouth today. $850,000 Saturday. $764,000 Sunday.

Have they had a day with a $1,000,000 in purses yet?

Alan07 06-25-2010 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 661659)
Have they had a day with a $1,000,000 in purses yet?

No.

Cannon Shell 06-25-2010 12:32 PM

Wont Haskell day be like 3 million?

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-25-2010 12:34 PM

disclaimer in small letters

[ million in prize money is an about number] offer not good in
cali or n.j

Cannon Shell 06-25-2010 12:37 PM

Sat they will be far in excess of 1 million since the 2 stakes are worth 1 million alone.

Cannon Shell 06-25-2010 12:39 PM

2.15 mill on Haskell day

pba1817 06-25-2010 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 661659)
Just noticed that there's maybe $450,000 or so in purses at Monmouth today. $850,000 Saturday. $764,000 Sunday.

Have they had a day with a $1,000,000 in purses yet?

124 horses entered at Monmouth in 12 races...

68 horses entered at Belmont in 9 races...

enough said..

Kasept 06-25-2010 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pba1817 (Post 661675)
124 horses entered at Monmouth in 12 races...

68 horses entered at Belmont in 9 races...

enough said..

Ok.. That's nice. What's that have to do with my question? I capped MTH today and noticed that the purses were $400k+ which made me look at Sat/Sun.

Where's the $1,000,000 a day?

pba1817 06-25-2010 01:02 PM

As a bettor, I don't care... I want large fields and Monmouth is providing that to me. Belmont offers very shorts fields.

You seem to be the only one complaining about it...

MaTH716 06-25-2010 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pba1817 (Post 661677)
As a bettor, I don't care... I want large fields and Monmouth is providing that to me. Belmont offers very shorts fields.

You seem to be the only one complaining about it...

Did I miss a post somewhere? Where was the complaint?

richard 06-25-2010 01:11 PM

For what it's worth, I like fields in the mid-range . 7 or 8 .

Kasept 06-25-2010 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pba1817 (Post 661677)
As a bettor, I don't care... I want large fields and Monmouth is providing that to me. Belmont offers very shorts fields.

You seem to be the only one complaining about it...

Who the phuck is complaining? I'm asking about the purses because thouigh you may not know it, the winner's share has been greatly decreased from the usual 60% under the system that rewards participation and pays $1,500 to all runners. And if they in fact are going to load up purses for Haskell Week only, then the $1,000,000/day portion of the equation is something of a come on that is short-arming owners that win.

robfla 06-25-2010 01:16 PM

I"ll venture to guess that the 1MM per day is over the 50 day meet. 50MM over 50 days is the way it was marketed, not 1MM per day. I could be wrong.

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"Monmouth will offer $50 million in purses over 50 days. That averages out to a cool $1 million a day for the core meet, which runs through Labor Day, shooting Monmouth to the top of the industry in purse money over Saratoga and Del Mar, the traditional summer leaders. "

pba1817 06-25-2010 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 661684)
Who the phuck is complaining? I'm asking about the purses because thouigh you may not know it, the winner's share has been greatly decreased from the usual 60% under the system that rewards participation and pays $1,500 to all runners. And if they in fact are going to load up purses for Haskell Week only, then the $1,000,000/day portion of the equation is something of a come on that is short-arming owners that win.

Are these owners complaining?

pba1817 06-25-2010 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 661680)
Did I miss a post somewhere? Where was the complaint?


Post #1 and #12 in this thread...

And

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...3&postcount=12

robfla 06-25-2010 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 661684)
Who the phuck is complaining? I'm asking about the purses because thouigh you may not know it, the winner's share has been greatly decreased from the usual 60% under the system that rewards participation and pays $1,500 to all runners. And if they in fact are going to load up purses for Haskell Week only, then the $1,000,000/day portion of the equation is something of a come on that is short-arming owners that win.

As far as the part about watering down the winner's share, I am pretty sure the reason for the $1500 to all runners is a way of rewarding the local owners/trainers who are "out-stocked" by the super trainers shipping in. All things considered, I think it's a great idea.

Short-arming owners that win??? you are kidding, right? $70-$80k for maidens, NW1X, and NW2X isn't short arming anyone even if $9000 comes off the top to the also-rans

Kasept 06-25-2010 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pba1817 (Post 661688)
Are these owners complaining?

I don't know. They may not complain until they get their statements because they may not realize that the winner's share is lower. It doesn't really matter with the inflated ALW's and MSW's because the increased purse should offset the lower percentage for the winner. But the mid-lower range purses aren't that inflated, and frankly, running versus 10-11 for 50% of $25k isn't that attractive versus running for 60% of say $18k versus 6-7.

My question had nothing to do with the handle portion of the MTH meet. The glaringingly small total purse forthe day caught my attention. I had thought they were giving away a minimum of $700k-$800k daily.

Kasept 06-25-2010 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robfla (Post 661693)
Short-arming owners that win??? you are kidding, right? $70-$80k for maidens, NW1X, and NW2X isn't short arming anyone even if $9000 comes off the top to the also-rans

Addressed that above. It's not about the ALW/MSW races. It's the cheap races that are running today (only 2 ALW's) that caught my attention..

Gaining Ground 06-25-2010 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pba1817 (Post 661675)
124 horses entered at Monmouth in 12 races...

68 horses entered at Belmont in 9 races...

enough said..

Quote:

Originally Posted by pba1817 (Post 661677)
As a bettor, I don't care... I want large fields and Monmouth is providing that to me. Belmont offers very shorts fields.

You seem to be the only one complaining about it...

Quote:

Originally Posted by pba1817 (Post 661688)
Are these owners complaining?

not a very convincing arguement you have presented. the topic has nothing to do with belmont.

Kasept 06-25-2010 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pba1817 (Post 661690)
Post #1 and #12 in this thread...

And

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...3&postcount=12

Wow....

I asked a question that was well worth asking. There isn't a 'complaint' wrapped in Post 1 or 12 or anywhere else.

pba1817 06-25-2010 01:32 PM

http://www.monmouthpark.com/News.aspx?id=2783

robfla 06-25-2010 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 661697)
Addressed that above. It's not about the ALW/MSW races. It's the cheap races that are running today (only 2 ALW's) that caught my attention..

I totally agree about the lesser claiming races. They are MUCH tougher than elsewhere and horses usually have to drop to win.

Gaining Ground 06-25-2010 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pba1817 (Post 661701)

from the article

Following opening weekend of May 22 and 23, live racing returns on May 29, May 30, and May 31 (Memorial Day). After the Memorial Day card, Monmouth will race on Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays as well as Monday, July 5th (4th of July Holiday) and Monday, Sept. 6 (Labor Day). The $1 million per day in purses more than triples the $331,000 in average daily purses offered at Monmouth in 2009.

false advertising?

pba1817 06-25-2010 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground (Post 661704)
from the article

Following opening weekend of May 22 and 23, live racing returns on May 29, May 30, and May 31 (Memorial Day). After the Memorial Day card, Monmouth will race on Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays as well as Monday, July 5th (4th of July Holiday) and Monday, Sept. 6 (Labor Day). The $1 million per day in purses more than triples the $331,000 in average daily purses offered at Monmouth in 2009.

false advertising?

Read the first paragraph moron...

TitanSooner 06-25-2010 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground (Post 661704)
from the article

Following opening weekend of May 22 and 23, live racing returns on May 29, May 30, and May 31 (Memorial Day). After the Memorial Day card, Monmouth will race on Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays as well as Monday, July 5th (4th of July Holiday) and Monday, Sept. 6 (Labor Day). The $1 million per day in purses more than triples the $331,000 in average daily purses offered at Monmouth in 2009.

false advertising?

if, at the end of the meet, the average daily purses aren't a $1 Million, then yes it is false advertising.. won't know until then, though, will we?

robfla 06-25-2010 01:39 PM

By comparison, the top five racetracks, with average daily purse distribution in 2009, were:

1. Saratoga Racecourse (Saratoga Springs, N.Y.), 36 days, $729,100

2. Keeneland fall meet (Lexington, Ky), 17 days, $608,730

3. Keeneland spring meet (Lexington, Ky), 15 days, $601,950

4. Belmont Park fall meet (Elmont, N.Y.), 33 days, $556,545

5. Del Mar Racecourse (Del Mar, Cal.), 37 days, $544,295

pba1817 06-25-2010 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robfla (Post 661702)
I totally agree about the lesser claiming races. They are MUCH tougher than elsewhere and horses usually have to drop to win.

So... the $1,500 to run in these tougher claimers adds the incentive to enter? I would imagine this is why we still see over 10 entries per average on a "bad" day of races like today.

Seems to be working so far.

Gaining Ground 06-25-2010 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pba1817 (Post 661705)
Read the first paragraph moron...

moron? a little emotional about a nothing issue arent you?

i read the paragraph. seems like the million dollar a day is false advertising if most of the days arent 1 million. i understand its an average. but i still wonder if they will be anywhere near that when all is said and done.

Gaining Ground 06-25-2010 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TitanSooner (Post 661706)
if, at the end of the meet, the average daily purses aren't a $1 Million, then yes it is false advertising.. won't know until then, though, will we?

yes, which was why i put the question mark.

at least you didnt call me a moron like your boyfriend.

pba1817 06-25-2010 01:46 PM

I get emotional dealing with people who are illiterate... sorry please forgive me.

The "million dollar a day" is a shortened marketing term, would you rather them say "million dollar a day average in purses due to be paid based upon handle"?

Gaining Ground 06-25-2010 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pba1817 (Post 661711)
I get emotional dealing with people who are illiterate... sorry please forgive me.

The "million dollar a day" is a shortened marketing term, would you rather them say "million dollar a day average in purses due to be paid based upon handle"?

you are forgiven...must be that time of the month.

miraja2 06-25-2010 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pba1817 (Post 661711)
I get emotional dealing with people who are illiterate... sorry please forgive me.

The "million dollar a day" is a shortened marketing term, would you rather them say "million dollar a day average in purses due to be paid based upon handle"?

Wow, are you the person who came up with the marketing campaign or something? Why are you getting so worked up?

pba1817 06-25-2010 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 661715)
Wow, are you the person who came up with the marketing campaign or something? Why are you getting so worked up?

Yes, its my baby...

Alan07 06-25-2010 02:08 PM

Wonder if the Double DQ in today's 5th will have an effect, especialy since one of the placing's number wasn't blinking?

MaTH716 06-25-2010 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan07 (Post 661722)
Wonder if the Double DQ in today's 5th will have an effect, especialy since one of the placing's number wasn't blinking?

I think they did blink both numbers. Marquez claimed foul against both Bravo and Fragoso.

Alan07 06-25-2010 02:31 PM

The 2 wasn't blinking when I saw it.

ShadowRoll 06-25-2010 02:33 PM

A little off topic, but I went to Monmouth on Father's Day. It was a little crowded but a great atmosphere. It also had a big card, full fields and low takeout on the pick 4s and the 50-cent pick 5 (which also had a guaranteed pool). I even got to see Bravo DQ'd from first in one race (not that I got anything against Bravo, but it did keep me alive in the pick 4). I did not count the purse total. I did have a good time.

MaTH716 06-25-2010 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan07 (Post 661731)
The 2 wasn't blinking when I saw it.

You know, come to think of it I think you are right. I watched the race and really wasn't paying attention to the inquiry. I just figured that Bravo was coming down. But I didn't think the 2 was even involved. I swear I heard that Marquez on the 1 lodged an objection against Bravo on the 4 and Fragoso on the 6. From what I remember Ortiz on the 2 was on the rail out of harms way. I have to go home and watch the race again, but I think you are correct Alan.
Or maybe I just heard everything wrong, which is very possible as well. :o

jms62 06-25-2010 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowRoll (Post 661732)
A little off topic, but I went to Monmouth on Father's Day. It was a little crowded but a great atmosphere. It also had a big card, full fields and low takeout on the pick 4s and the 50-cent pick 5 (which also had a guaranteed pool). I even got to see Bravo DQ'd from first in one race (not that I got anything against Bravo, but it did keep me alive in the pick 4). I did not count the purse total. I did have a good time.

:mad:I had em

MaTH716 06-25-2010 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 661735)
:mad:I had em

Don't feel bad, I had him when he was taken down a couple of Saturday's ago as well. It was Steven Foster Day. But that's 3 dq's already (that I could think of), pretty amazing. Since they only race 3 days a week, does the schedule/penalty for doing days change?


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