Obama Admin. to Sue Arizona
 

I'm not even necessarily in favor of the Arizona law, but I respect Arizona's right to implement this law. For the Obama Administration to file suit to block the Arizona law is absolutely outrageous. Not only is it ourageous but it is a very stupid move politically considering a huge majority of people support the law.

I addition, it was all class on the part of the Obama Administration to let Arizona learn of the move through an Ecuadorean interview of Hillary Clinton.

To quote the Governor of Arizona, “This is no way to treat the people of Arizona,” the governor said in a statement. “To learn of this lawsuit through an Ecuadorean interview with the Secretary of State is just outrageous. If our own government intends to sue our state to prevent illegal immigration enforcement, the least it can do is inform us before it informs the citizens of another nation.”

This is truly a new low for the Obama Administration.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37789246...new_york_times

Hey, it's early yet -- wait until you see what else they come up with... :(

2 1/2 yrs to go! YAY!!!;)

I don't see too many people defending the Obama Administration on this one, not even his most loyal Derby Trail supporters.

I guess you could compliment Obama for doing what he thinks is right. But as I said before, I think it is a terrible move politically. Public opinion is very one-sided on this issue.

The only time liberal office holders care about public opinion is when they are forced to -- at election time.

Otherwise they are too busy being arrogant and condescending to worry about what we think.

Give me a f'in break Joey.

Republicans are the standard bearer for worrying about the common man? This thread is so thick that the sh*t is flowing out of my keyboard.

It may take 60 days but Obama will act on your sh^t flow :p

Where do you stand on the issue? Should the Obama Administration file suit against Arizona to stop them from implementing this law or not?

Sorry Bob, but what I said about liberals in government is true more often than not.

Obama is giving us the "We know what's good for you" routine. Don't want the government to take over health care? Too bad -- we know what's good for you.

Want the border secured? Sorry -- we don't think that's necessary.

Oh yeah -- that big oil spill -- well, you ought to be cutting back on your energy use anyway, so how about a big honking "Carbon Tax" -- we think that's best.

It's exactly what the Dems are doing -- long on arrogance and short on political sense and gray matter.

I guess it depends on what your thoughts are on the subjects you listed above. There is no way I can blame Obama, or would have blamed Bush, for how he reacted to the spill. As far as the borders, I have said here before they should be secured, but I also think an amnesty plan needs to be developed for the Illegals already here. You (Republicans) think your view point is just the right one and that anyone opposing ( basically half the country) is a pinko, commie freak who is wrong. The Republicans that come to mind have always been about big business, big oil and never gave a shi*t about the working man. You guys are just so paranoid about big government that you just knee jerk react to anything Obama does as being wrong.

And that's where you (Republicans) lose your credibility. When you don't focus on the things you really think are important, then all the crap you throw against the wall gets ignored. Obama is not the anti-Christ. He just happens to be a Democrat and that drives you crazy. Kind of like I'll never understand a Republican..politically at least.

To me, the law is racial profiling and that should be at least looked into further. If a Federal lawsuit is what it takes, then so be it. This is a major intiative..why the rush to make it a law? How about a referendum first?

Sorry to jump in the middle of you guy's cat fight but who do you think gives the working man his job ? They are the big bad businessman that are about making products providing services that provide a place for that middle class man or woman a place to go make money.
The people in government who take money from corporations through lobbyists are the people you should have a gripe with and I dont care if they are a Democrat or a Republican they all do it . Eliminate campaign contributions from large corporations and the people who work for them.

I agree with the second part of what you wrote..but doubt that realistically that is ever going to happen.

Me too and you know what it really really sucks ......What this country needs so badly is an honest politician but that in itself is just hysterical.

an oxymoron to be sure.

:zz: Have you missed the other thread about this, one you've posted on? :)

The Democrats used to be for the "working man" a while back, but since the 1965 "Great Society" stuff Johnson pushed, they've been more for the welfare recipient.

If you want to keep more of what you earn on the job, the Republicans are the better option. Not that any politicians are that great -- but given the choice I'll take the ones who take less of my money every week.

Let me ask you a question. Let's say there is a fairly nice, middle-class, black neighborhood. And let's say that there have been some young, white skinhead types sneaking into that neighborhood at night and committing burglaries, assaults, and that type of thing.

If the police are patroling the neighborhood at night and they see a car with a couple of young white guys in it, should they pull the car over? If they pulled it over, I guess you could consider that racial-profiling. Would racial-profiling be ok in this case or is it never ok?

It may be called racial profiling but since 99.98% of illegal aliens in AZ are Mexican who exactly should they be looking at? How do you not racially profile (or in this case nationally profile) when virtually everyone you are looking for is of one particular race/nationalty?

Its a shame O'Dumbass can't be impeached for being a f ckup. It wouldn't suprise me if he goes down as the worst President in history. Hopefully the American public will wake in 2012 and realize how worthless he is.

IMO Obama passed Carter a few months ago, is moving like a machine, and is all alone. Thankfully DOWN the stretch he comes. And as he finishes the ole DT saying comes to mind, 'he's done enough!'.

How much longer do you want these states to wait? The bureaucrats in DC could care less about the illegals. Yes I am talking about both Democrats and Repubicans. We have a worthless President who would rather go golfing then address the issues that face this country. Maybe O'Dumbass had an illegal shine his golf shoes for him before he played a round of golf. These worthless f cking illegals need to be dealt with so we wont be wasting any more tax money. Obviously O'Dumbass doesn't see that way. I applaud the Governor of Arizona for taking the steps to combat these illiterate not worth a sh t illegals.

that's really ridiculous. actually, most immigrants are some of the nicest, hardest working people you'd ever meet.

as for the govt not caring, you're right, they don't. know why? money. pay attention to any raids done by INS. invariably, they are against companies who are paying illegals under the table. that means no s.s., no medicaid tax, no state or federal taxes paid on these employees. that means the govt is getting ripped off.
now, as for those working above the table? they pay in every tax you pay in, but unlike you, they never get anything back for it. they'll never draw s.s. benefits upon retirement, as they used a fake #. they can't apply for medicaid either, as they don't really exist in the system. yet they paid all that money, all those years-just like millions of others just like them. so, no, the govt doesn't mind that at all-these illegals you disparage so much are helping keep our social programs afloat. they're helping to keep local, state and the feds afloat. they pay in, and can never get back. they don't get on assistance, as that's a sure way to get the boot.
so, that all explains why there is not, and will not be, anything done regarding immigration. it would be too expensive. anyone granted citizenship would be eligible for everything you and i are eligible for-but the pay in wouldn't be any higher.

oh, and the states....they really don't care either, it's all window dressing.
any illegals az arrests will be back on the street. state can't deport them, and the feds won't do it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100624/..._take_our_jobs


and i just saw this article, which is related to the discussion in this thread.

You think he's passed Bush? Clearly you can't be that much of a partisan. Bush was wrapped up in the final eighth and Obama would have to sprout wings to get to him.

I agree with you that at this point Bush is considered a worse President. If you did a poll right now, I think more people would consider Bush a worse President than Obama.

I personally like Bush better than Obama but I think I am in the minority at this point.

Bush is a Tex Bred, Tex Trained , Tex Sired admittedly a bit lame on his left front.

Obama was dropped in Hawaii bred out of a Kenyan Sire, Seattle WA Mare , Indonesian trained and ran in Chicago before arriving in DC and has a nasty anti Israel habbit.

I take Bush in that race

It is still quite possible that Bush' legacy could totally change. I'm not saying that it will happen but if Iraq ends up being a thriving democracy in 20 years from now, history may end up judging Bush in a positive way. I'm not saying this will happen but I think it is possible.

Bush compared to Obama is a bad piss test compared to a fixed piss test IMO and Carter came in with blinks on, was gelded, and still couldn't help going over the outside rail at 6f or more out of the chute but at two turns he jumped the inside rail EVERYTIME! Consistently bad. Hostage bad.

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/05/doe...ion-cost-jobs/


Does Immigration Cost Jobs?
Economists say immigration, legal or illegal, doesn't hurt American workers.
May 13, 2010

Summary
Do immigrants take American jobs? It’s a common refrain among those who want to tighten limits on legal immigration and deny a "path to citizenship" — which they call "amnesty" — to the millions of immigrants living in the U.S. illegally. There’s even a new Reclaim American Jobs Caucus in the House, with at least 41 members.

But most economists and other experts say there’s little to support the claim. Study after study has shown that immigrants grow the economy, expanding demand for goods and services that the foreign-born workers and their families consume, and thereby creating jobs. There is even broad agreement among economists that while immigrants may push down wages for some, the overall effect is to increase average wages for American-born workers.

I think they are neck and neck.. which is not saying much.

Seriously though, how has Obama been better than Bush? (& I thought Bush sucked) They are equally incompetant.. Obama just speaks better.

Stra-tee-gery

obama speaks better when he's got prepared remarks. ask him a question, and he becomes inarticulate just like bush. um, uh....er, um.

After Obama said he was a Sox fan, Dibble asked him who is his favorite player? Obama's answer was he likes the Cubs too. :zz:

BTW I can't wait for the FBI to release their interview with Obama in relation to Blago. OB says he and staff had no converstions with Blago concerning his vacant senate seat. Blago speaking on a wire tap says different. The truth should come out soon.

Agreed! I expect Rolling Stone to be all over this shortly :rolleyes:

Here's a start, "Emanuel, now Obama's chief of staff, wanted Blagojevich to know the list of Senate candidates "acceptable" to Obama, according to testimony Thursday in Blagojevich's corruption trial."

"Emanuel's talk with Harris with a new, diverse list of candidates came two days after Emanuel called Blagojevich friend and lobbyist John Wyma with a different message, according to Harris' testimony."

"Wyma had contact with Emanuel and then made the call on his behalf on Nov. 10 -- several weeks after he began cooperating with federal authorities and had been asked to wear a wire, which Wyma refused.

"The president-elect would be very pleased if you appointed Valerie and he would be, uh, thankful and appreciative" for an appointment, Harris said Wyma told him in a phone call.

That put the brakes on Blagojevich's hopes that he could win a Cabinet position or another high-ranking, high-paying appointment in exchange for Jarrett's appointment. Blagojevich had told Balanoff the week before that he wanted Obama to give him a Cabinet position, Harris said."

So is Harris committing perjury or did Obama lie once again to all of us?

BTW lying to the people is not a crime. Lying to an FBI agent is.

Naw, c'mon, that's not true in the least. Where does this stuff come from? There are multiple TV interviews where he's speaking entirely extemporaneously, for minutes on end, no notes, articulate and knowledgable.

Palin could run rings around even Bush, however.

Dell, do you recall this being in the news last year?

not true 'in the least'??

i've seen him stammer and stutter more than once, thanks very much. so, yes it is true. you not wanting something to be true doesn't automatically mean it's false.