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Kasept 06-06-2010 03:18 PM

6/9 (BEL): $930k C/O Discussion/Contest
 
4th (2:36)

6 Furlongs (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Maiden Claiming ($25,000) | Purse: $22,000

1 Montana Knight Dominguez R A 118 $25,000 L
2 Tough Cookie T Velasquez C 123 $25,000 L
3 Candy Heart Coa E M 118 $25,000 FTL
4 Macho Joe Desormeaux K J 118 $25,000 L
5 Amplify Corujo W 116 $25,000 Blk-On L
6 Scorper Cohen D 123 $25,000 L
7 Miss Hanky Panky Garcia Alan 118 $25,000 L
8 Augusta Dude Rodriguez J 116 $25,000 Blk-On L
MTO Maxahme Hill C 118 $25,000 L



5th (3:08)

1 Mile | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Allowance | Purse: $39,000

1 Laylaben Prado E S 121 L
2 Mariah Scary Rodriguez J 110 L
3 Landlash Velazquez J R 117 L
4 Every Little Thing Dominguez R A 117 L
5 Kaffiend Espinoza J L 121 L
6 Vicarious Hill C 121 L
7 Under the Rainbow Velasquez C 117 L



6th (3:40)

6 Furlongs (Inner turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Maiden Claiming ($35,000) | Purse: $23,000

3 Tudor King Hill C 123 $35,000 Blk-On L
4 Takedouble Lopez A 116 $35,000 L
5 October Dreams Studart M 118 $35,000 FTL
6 Ponte Vecchio Dominguez R A 123 $35,000 L
7 Thundering Roar Castellano J J 118 $35,000 L
1 Smarteralex Rodriguez J 116 $35,000 L
8 Mount Karakorum Coa E M 118 $35,000 L
9 Showme Zealous Arroyo A S 118 $35,000 L
10 Hooligan's Delight Espinoza J L 118 $35,000 L
2 Admiral Caperton Luzzi M J 123 $35,000 L
11 La Festa E Domani Bridgmohan J V 118 $35,000 FTL
12 MTO Centripital Rodriguez J 111 $35,000 L
2B MTO Dirt Track Demon Espinoza J L 118 $35,000 L
1A MTO Spencerific Rodriguez J 116 $35,000 L

A-Coupled: Smarteralex and Spencerific
B-Coupled: Admiral Caperton and Dirt Track Demon



7th (4:12)

1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Maiden Special Weight | Purse: $37,000

1 Crescent Moon Dr Luzzi M J 118 L
2 City Whisper Dominguez R A 118 FTL
3 Left Tee Samyn J L 123 L
4 Tapitdar Castellano J J 118 L
5 Ready for Ryan Cohen D 118 Blk-On FTL
6 Adirondack Warrior Velasquez C 118 L
7 John Wyatt Lezcano J 123 L
8 Jacob's Dream Studart M 123 L
9 Perspective Light Bridgmohan J V 123 L
1A Felice Di Notte Maragh R 118 L

A-Sciacca entry: Crescent Moon Dr (Giacopelli) and Felice Di Notte (Piazza)



8th (4:45)

6 1/2 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Allowance Optional Claiming ($75,000) | Purse: $56,000

1 Starforaday Maragh R 119 $75,000 L
2 West Coast Flier Velasquez C 119 $75,000 L
3 I Ain't No Saint Cohen D 123 $75,000 L
4 Law Enforcement Castellano J J 119 L
5 Be Bullish Prado E S 119 L



9th (5:17)

6 Furlongs (Inner turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Claiming ($25,000) | Purse: $25,000

1 Pea Stone Espinoza J L 121 $25,000 L
2 Casa Di Vino Husbands S P 121 $25,000 L
3 Treat Her Right Bridgmohan J V 121 $25,000 L
4 Auric Girl Studart M 123 $25,000 L
5 Tomorrows Roses Garcia Alan 121 $25,000 L
6 Posey Park Chavez J F 121 $25,000 L
7 Z Cats Meow Luzzi M J 121 $25,000 L
8 Justinline Rodriguez J 114 $25,000 L
9 Green Arrows Cohen D 121 $25,000 L
10 Ghoul Hill C 121 $25,000 L
11 Night Spirit Desormeaux K J 121 $25,000 L
MTO Aquit Maragh R 117 $25,000 L

MISTERGEE 06-07-2010 11:49 AM

already dont feel comfortable with any keys. even the short fields like the 5 horse race 8 seems wide open. It will be hit but I dont think by too many low cost ticks?

lemoncrush 06-07-2010 12:47 PM

I'd like to take a shot with a budget ticket, but it does look tricky after looking at the pp's for about an hour. I could see no horse paying more than $12, but still being really difficult to string the 6 winners together.

MISTERGEE 06-07-2010 06:49 PM

my feelings exactly

Scav 06-07-2010 07:17 PM

Nice to see a complicated sequence, I don't see an odds on favorite that is going to be below 8/5.

Couple keys to this sequence as I see it.
1) Will a speed duel set up in the 8th and set up Starforaday?
2) Finding the winner of the 6th, horrendous yet one of the most challenging races I have ever handicapped

ateamstupid 06-07-2010 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 655121)
Nice to see a complicated sequence, I don't see an odds on favorite that is gonna be below 8/5.

Couple keys to this sequence as I see it.
1) Will a speed duel set up in the 8th and set up for Starforaday?
2) Finding the winner of the 6th, horrendous yet one of the most challenging races I have ever handicapped

1) Starforaday doesn't need a speed duel to win, he never has, which is what makes him so dangerous as opposed to other one-run closers. Either way, West Coast Flier looks like the clear speed to me. Be Bullish might go as well, but WCF is faster early.
2) It's pretty tough, but Hooligan's Delight actually looks like the closest thing to a single on the card for me. It's a dreadful group, and he actually did a little running last time, tracking a fast pace and appearing beaten at the top of the stretch, getting checked and still running on to be second. The cutback should be up his alley, and the outside post should allow him to track Showme Zealous and perhaps Tudor King.

Scav 06-07-2010 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 655124)
1) Starforaday doesn't need a speed duel to win, he never has, which is what makes him so dangerous as opposed to other one-run closers.
2) It's pretty tough, but Hooligan's Delight actually looks like the closest thing to a single on the card for me. It's a dreadful group, and he actually did a little running last time, tracking a fast pace and appearing beaten at the top of the stretch, getting checked and still running on to be second. The cutback should be up his alley, and the outside post should allow him to track Showme Zealous and perhaps Tudor King.

I like Showme Zealous as a price play. His maiden race was good relative to these and it looks like he is bred for the lawn. Trainer has positive lawn stats.

pgiaco 06-07-2010 10:21 PM

It's not noted on the overnight or DRF, but Crescent Moon Dr (7th) will have blinkers ON....hopefully psychosis off. For what its worth.

hockey2315 06-07-2010 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 655121)
Nice to see a complicated sequence, I don't see an odds on favorite that is going to be below 8/5.

Couple keys to this sequence as I see it.
1) Will a speed duel set up in the 8th and set up Starforaday?
2) Finding the winner of the 6th, horrendous yet one of the most challenging races I have ever handicapped

Nice pic - that whole album is really disturbing.

West Coast Flier is big time speed-of-the-speed on the pace figs. I think he's a good single.

I'd probably use 2,3,9 in R6.

Scav 06-07-2010 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 655247)
Nice pic - that whole album is really disturbing.

West Coast Flier is big time speed-of-the-speed on the pace figs. I think he's a good single.

I'd probably use 2,3,9 in R6.

Its in honor of his Ali like return :)

Right now, I am 9,10 (A), 7 (B), 1 (C)

What do you see in the 2 and 3?

While we all know ole Rudy is up to something with his godly numbers, I can't use that horse in that spot, not even as a 'C'. While I hate to try and think that jocks will use some common sense, I don't see him clearing in that race.

hockey2315 06-07-2010 11:07 PM

3's dropping and getting blinkers - feels like he has shown enough early in his races to be competitive vs. these bums. 2's dropping and clearly they think he's a turfer. . . Obviously I'd love to have more coverage, but if I actually play this thing I'm not dropping too much in that leg. I'd rather have the lightly raced ones and hope one takes to the distance/surface.

SCUDSBROTHER 06-07-2010 11:11 PM

When they drew for this, did they know about the carryover?

hockey2315 06-07-2010 11:13 PM

no

Scav 06-07-2010 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 655262)
no

I actually made a mistake, I had the 3 as a 'C', not the 1

lemoncrush 06-08-2010 09:57 AM

7th) Is the Jerkins' More than Ready horse Ready for Ryan better than he looked in his debut? and what do you make about the Linda Rice 1st timer with Ramon aboard?

9th) Any change Treat Her Right doesn't stop for the first time in ages, and actually takes them wire to wire? Not much speed in this group.

Scav 06-08-2010 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemoncrush (Post 655360)
7th) Is the Jerkins' More than Ready horse Ready for Ryan better than he looked in his debut? and what do you make about the Linda Rice 1st timer with Ramon aboard?

9th) Any change Treat Her Right doesn't stop for the first time in ages, and actually takes them wire to wire? Not much speed in this group.

Yes..Yes

In the 7th, I am probably only going two deep. That Jerkins horse was making a move until he stopped, which to me is a sign of bleeding, and he is put on lasix for his. If I had to guess he will go off as favorite/2nd choice. That Rice horse is hard to leave off and if it were sprinting I would say sure, but 8 furlongs she can beat me.

In the 9th, I think she is one of many. The 5 Tomorrows Roses has speed and I am a bit curious why Garcia would take this mount

NTamm1215 06-08-2010 10:09 AM

Leaving off Hooligan's Delight is extremely risky.

Leaving off West Coast Flier is lunacy IMO.

NT

MaTH716 06-08-2010 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 655366)
Leaving off Hooligan's Delight is extremely risky.

Leaving off West Coast Flier is lunacy IMO.

NT

That 8th race is tough. I originally thought that might be a place to find a single, but right now it almost looks like an all race. I think even the 4 could win that race at a square price.

NTamm1215 06-08-2010 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 655403)
That 8th race is tough. I originally thought that might be a place to find a single, but right now it almost looks like an all race. I think even the 4 could win that race at a square price.

I could see the 1 being a horse you'd include. I want no part of I Ain't No Saint and Be Bullish has been largely ineffective against open company. Law Enforcement's two wins last year were pace-aided and banking on those types of suicidal duels in here is faulty.

Rudy Rod has the 2 moving in the right direction and last time out he dueled a horse into the ground that was 3 for 4 at Belmont coming into that race. I think Cornelio will have little trouble getting clear from the inside and that'll be all she wrote.

NT

Esumner66 06-08-2010 11:39 AM

Looks pretty wide open, but here's my first pass through.

Belmont Wednesday Pick 6

R4 Montana Knight
Scorper - Single possibility

R5 Laylaben
Every Little THing
Vicarious
Under The Rainbow

R6 Hooligans Delight - Single possibility
Thundering Roar

R7 Adirondack Warrior - Single possibility
Crescent Moon Dr

R8 Be Bullish
West Coast Flier

R9 ZCats Meow
Justinline
Tomorrows Roses

$384 or $48 with the singles

GL

Chuck

fantini33 06-08-2010 02:57 PM

Iffy weather could complicate? or simplify? any thoughts?

Scav 06-08-2010 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 655412)
I could see the 1 being a horse you'd include. I want no part of I Ain't No Saint and Be Bullish has been largely ineffective against open company. Law Enforcement's two wins last year were pace-aided and banking on those types of suicidal duels in here is faulty.

Rudy Rod has the 2 moving in the right direction and last time out he dueled a horse into the ground that was 3 for 4 at Belmont coming into that race. I think Cornelio will have little trouble getting clear from the inside and that'll be all she wrote.

NT

There is a limit to any horse, regardless of how good the juice is. There is no doubt that Rudy has improved this horse, but a 20k claimer at Aqueduct and a starter 25k is a little different then this field. I can see them going 22.1/44.3/57, how does he hold on going that fast going an extra 1/2 furlong?

NTamm1215 06-08-2010 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 655511)
There is a limit to any horse, regardless of how good the juice is. There is no doubt that Rudy has improved this horse, but a 20k claimer at Aqueduct and a starter 25k is a little different then this field. I can see them going 22.1/44.3/57, how does he hold on going that fast going an extra 1/2 furlong?

With all due respect, what could possibly make you think they're going to go that fast?

Prado is one of the least aggressive jockeys in NY, so he'll have to put Be Bullish to an all out drive to set those type of fractions and even then Cornelio is likely to let him go and stalk from the outside.

This is far from a tough field, in fact, one might argue that Brilliant Son and Aquino, who he defeated two back were better (perhaps earlier in their careers) than anything he's facing today. He also buried Have You Ever last time out and that horse was coming off a sharp N2X win on May 1.

All I'm saying is that trying to beat this horse, especially in a race where I Ain't No Saint and Law Enforcement have basically no chance, is not a good idea in my opinion.

NT

RockHardTen1985 06-08-2010 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 655511)
There is a limit to any horse, regardless of how good the juice is. There is no doubt that Rudy has improved this horse, but a 20k claimer at Aqueduct and a starter 25k is a little different then this field. I can see them going 22.1/44.3/57, how does he hold on going that fast going an extra 1/2 furlong?



Change the thing, WTF!!!!!!!!!!

MISTERGEE 06-08-2010 03:31 PM

heres my shot
 
1-4-6
1-4-6-7
6-10
2-5-6
1-2-3-5
5-9-12

"only" $1728

ateamstupid 06-08-2010 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 655513)
With all due respect, what could possibly make you think they're going to go that fast?

Prado is one of the least aggressive jockeys in NY, so he'll have to put Be Bullish to an all out drive to set those type of fractions and even then Cornelio is likely to let him go and stalk from the outside.

This is far from a tough field, in fact, one might argue that Brilliant Son and Aquino, who he defeated two back were better (perhaps earlier in their careers) than anything he's facing today. He also buried Have You Ever last time out and that horse was coming off a sharp N2X win on May 1.

All I'm saying is that trying to beat this horse, especially in a race where I Ain't No Saint and Law Enforcement have basically no chance, is not a good idea in my opinion.

NT

I agree with all of these points. To me, it's a two-wide leg, just because of the respect I have for Starforaday and his closing kick beyond six furlongs. If you allow that he may not have liked Gulfstream, he's also the horse to beat on figures.

RockHardTen1985 06-08-2010 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 655511)
There is a limit to any horse, regardless of how good the juice is. There is no doubt that Rudy has improved this horse, but a 20k claimer at Aqueduct and a starter 25k is a little different then this field. I can see them going 22.1/44.3/57, how does he hold on going that fast going an extra 1/2 furlong?


Thank You, we are friends again....

Hickory Hill Hoff 06-08-2010 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 655527)
Thank You, we are friends again....

You're back......................

Scav 06-08-2010 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 655513)
With all due respect, what could possibly make you think they're going to go that fast?

Prado is one of the least aggressive jockeys in NY, so he'll have to put Be Bullish to an all out drive to set those type of fractions and even then Cornelio is likely to let him go and stalk from the outside.

This is far from a tough field, in fact, one might argue that Brilliant Son and Aquino, who he defeated two back were better (perhaps earlier in their careers) than anything he's facing today. He also buried Have You Ever last time out and that horse was coming off a sharp N2X win on May 1.

All I'm saying is that trying to beat this horse, especially in a race where I Ain't No Saint and Law Enforcement have basically no chance, is not a good idea in my opinion.

NT

It is more about it potentially happening, but your assessment of Prado is a very good one that I did overlook. It isn't like a bug boy is on the horse and going to push. After rewatching the last two races, I agree with you now. I was probably trying to make it more complicated then it should have been. I'll still be two deep if I play, 1-2.

Hickory Hill Hoff 06-08-2010 06:06 PM

My winnings from KNS on Tuesday........ :D

1 - 7 - 6/10 - 2 - 4/5 - 3/10 ($16)

4 - 7 - 7/10 - 4/7 - 2 - 7 ($8)

6/7 - 6 - 6 - 1 - 1 - 2 ($4)

Fulla Sheets 06-08-2010 09:40 PM

$2 Pick 6

4th: 1,4
5th: 1,4,6
6th: 6,7,9,10
7th: 2,5,6,7
8th: 1,2
9th: 1,3,9,11,12

2x3x4x4x2x5 = 960 x $2 = $1920

Good Luck

Scav 06-08-2010 10:10 PM

Weather.com

70% chance of rain.....eek!

dylbert 06-08-2010 10:14 PM

Combination of chalk & value plays for this P6 effort:

R4: 1,4,6 (taking chalky top 3 in MCl25k)
R5: 1,7 (chalk) + 4 (value)
R6: 3,7 (favs) + 9 (value)
R7: 6 (chalk) + 1A,3,7 (value)
R8: 1,2 (chalkiest two in five horse affair)
R9: 1,12 (favs) + 3,7 (value)

Another of many here already with "only $1,728" caveman ticket

Best of luck tomorrow to all who attempt to navigate this six-race slalom!

Arletta 06-09-2010 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff (Post 655547)
You're back......................

:tro:

golfer 06-09-2010 05:15 AM

Despite the probability of rain most of the day,


1,4

6,7

7,9,10
5,6,7,8

1,2,4,5

1,8,10,11

Kasept 06-09-2010 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 655650)
Weather.com

70% chance of rain.....eek!

Forecast calls for the rain to likely start around 2pm. (Thunderstorms NOT part of the equation though now). Since tt would take torrential downpours to affect the turf, you'd think the 4 grass events are safe (4th, 6th, 7th, 9th).

WEATHER UNDERGROUND FOR ELMONT

3kings 06-09-2010 05:46 AM

R4 1,2,4,6
R5 1,4,6,7
R6 6,7,10
R7 5,6
R8 1,2
R9 1,5,11,12
Total $1536

Ticket I might actually play depending on conditions:
1,6/1,4,7/6,10/5,6/2/1,12 $96.00

herkhorse 06-09-2010 05:57 AM

# 1,3,4,6
WT # 1,4,6,7
WT # 3,4,6,7,10
WT # 1,3,5,6
WT # 1,2,4
WT # 12
$1,920.00

good luck!!

and my real ticket:

Race #4 06/09/2010
Belmont
$2 Pick-6
# 1,3,4,6
WT # 6,7
WT # 6,7
WT # 1,3,5,6
WT # 2,4
WT # 12
$256.00

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-09-2010 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 655519)
I agree with all of these points. To me, it's a two-wide leg, just because of the respect I have for Starforaday and his closing kick beyond six furlongs. If you allow that he may not have liked Gulfstream, he's also the horse to beat on figures.

why does law enforcment have no chance hes 8st 3 wins 2 seconds at belmont 3 st 2 wins 1 second at the dist and has faced better all through his life. i think he laughs at these late......

Arletta 06-09-2010 08:32 AM

4) 1,4
5) 4,6,7
6) 6,7,10
7) 4,5,6
8) 1,2,4,5
9) 1,3,7,11,12

$1728


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