Do we need any more proof?
 

Do we need any more proof that the pro-Israel party is the Republican party? The Democrats take every opportunity to tear Israel down in favor of the Palestinians or other Middle East powers.

I am both Republican and pro-Israel. I am not Jewish, but have several friends who are, and they are just now seeing that their persistent political allegiance to the Democratic Party and their pro-Israel stance are at odds. As an outsider to Judaism, I cannot understand how this isn't more clear to those who would like to see Israel succeed.

To the issue at hand:

If Obama forces Israel to formally announce the existence of its nuclear program, and accept limitations on it as part of the Non-Proliferation Treaty, that will be a disaster. The ambiguity of Israel's statements about nukes is part of the deterrence it needs, for a nation that at its narrowest point is only 9 miles wide.

If Ahmadinejad gets a nuke, the first missile is going only one of two places: New York or Tel Aviv, depending on the range capability of the booster the warhead is mounted on.

Should Obama's position on Isreal be a surprise to anybody?

absolutely not.

He has a Carteristic way of looking at all things foreign. Bow to our enemies and scorn our allies. Carter is on record as saying Israel is the world's worst perpetrator of human rights violations going so far as to say they are worst than Rwanda. So this is just visiting the past for the Democratic party :zz:

BTW Some Americans RIOT for one agree with and embrace the Obama/Carter policy. But thank the Lord they are still in the minority.

Actually, no, I do not, Dell.

But don't let that keep you from babbling on like an idiot about things you make up in your head :tro:

You said (and I quote for the umpteenth time here)

"Obama has a strong interest in, and understanding of, the myriad of complexities involving the various countries in the middle east. Tribal relations, power struggles, economics, historic, religious, etc. Carter had (and has) the same. Both "get it" - that it's an incredibly complicated, multi-layered area of the world."

so do you now think despite the understanding Obama has he is mistaken in policy or have you come to your senses and realize your above statement was the 'actual' babblings of an idiot.?

This should be in your signature.

I give up, Dell. You're just too stupid. You repeatedly show you just don't have the IQ to read and understand some sentences.

I have stated word for word previously to you, several times - that saying someone has an interest in, and understands a situation has complexities, doesn't mean I think they got it right. I have stated previously that no, I don't agree with Carter's and Obama's policies.

Read the above really slowly, and ask for help with the big words, and maybe the light bulb will come on. But that's very, very doubtful. The voices in your head about what you imagine I said are too strong, I guess.

Just wondering how the two Presidents 'who get it' both ended up getting it wrong? I have also come to the realization I will never understand you whether it be due to my stupidity or not.

if you read her sentence, she said both understand that it's complicated. the way it's written makes it sound that they get what many don't, but i don't think that's the case. i think everyone understands that it's a complicated issue.

Yeah there's no hidden agenda to it.

oh, i'm not saying that. it's not as tho carter was some kind of super intelligent being who figured out what others could not. she attempts to make the two sound far above everyone in this regard, which i would disagree with.

:tro:

LOL - the only one who keeps reading that sentence is Dell, who gets some scary weird high off it, even though back, a year or two? ago when it was written, it was just a small comment in the context of a greater discussion, not about the middle east.

Poor Dell.

I read it long ago, read it again and find it as delusional today as I did two years ago, only now it's far timelier.

BTW I 'post' it not 'read' it

"Obama has a strong interest in, and understanding of, the myriad of complexities involving the various countries in the middle east. Tribal relations, power struggles, economics, historic, religious, etc. Carter had (and has) the same. Both "get it" - that it's an incredibly complicated, multi-layered area of the world."

How do you come up with this stuff? It's comedy gold!

More proof and this is sickening!

http://www.breitbart.tv/helen-thomas...germany-poland

This woman is as ugly on the inside as she is on the out.

http://dailyradar.com/beltwayblips/v...use-s-lack-of/

It's ok as long as you apologize

a la Rev. Jesse 'Hymietown' Jackson

And sadly enough, for two years, you are still scarily "fixated" upon some passing comment internet posting :D You are unable to comprehend how that fit into the discussion at the time. And you just choose to ignore what I've said multiple times about Obama's and/or Carter's middle east policy.

"Delusional" is certainly relative :tro:

The comment was originally made after you told Chuck to read Carter's latest book as though his anti-Israel stance is to be taken seriously. You were raving about Obama's speech in Cairo. It was hardly in passing. You're entitled to your views no matter how far out they may be. Say it loud and proud! :)


IMO the two Presidents you believe 'get it' are closer to the views of Helen Thomas and Rev. Jesse Jackson than they are to what I consider the 'norm' and for Israel that’s scary. I 'get' they are both pro-Palestine.

"As though" ?? Are you kidding me? At the time I told you I didn't agree with his middle eastern policies.

One last time:

No, Dell. I do not. And for you to repeatedly say I do, remains stupid.

Yes. I admired the speech for it's integration of nuance regarding the region. Nuance - a concept well-lost on you. Doh.

At the time you told me no such thing. Actually you told me that you weren't going to discuss his policy and if I wanted to start a new thread to have at it.

Only later when I pointed out the one man you cited as 'getting it' thinks that Israel is the worst perpetrator of human rights violations in the world did you state you didn't agree with his mid-east policy though for some reason you still were reading and pushing his books.

As I said before be proud of what you write and when it's quoted. It was one of your finest, even in a RIOT sort of way, for those who 'get you' :D

That is sounding an awful lot like "checkmate"...

For chrissakes, you fool, go re-read the thread - and all the other threads about it you've started since :D

Only you would attempt to diss somebody on this board, and when caught out making crap up in your diss, create such a ridiculous straw man to cover your butt.

I'd think you'd be happy I agree with your political view on an issue, instead of making an azz out of yourself trying to insist I do not :tro:

:tro:

Unbelievable

You don't think I did?

In only a Riot way you said,

“How about a candidate for Vice President of the United States saying another candidate "pals around with terrorists"? How about when an old woman tells a Presidential candidate that the other candidate is "a Muslim"?

We've already had an abortion doctor killed, and today someone tried to blow away those he hated in Washington.”


Then later, in the same tread you said

“Yes, the Camp David Accords were a complete failure. Read his current book about the middle east, then we can talk about it.”


Then I posted the interview that exposed Carter for what he IS!

“CARTER: So the persecution of the Palestinians now, under the occupying territories—under the occupation forces—is one of the worst examples of human rights deprivation that I know. And I think it‘s—

SHUSTER: Even worse, though, than a place like Rwanda?

CARTER: Yes. I think—yes. You mean, now?

SHUSTER: Yes.

CARTER: Yes.

SHUSTER: The oppression now of the Israelis—of the Palestinians by the Israelis is worse than the situation in Africa like the oppression of Rwanda and the civil war?

CARTER: I‘m not going back into ancient history about Rwanda, but right now, the persecution of the Palestinians is one of the worst examples of human rights abuse I know, because the Palestinians—

SHUSTER: You‘re talking about right now, you‘re not talking about say, a few years ago.

CARTER: I‘m not talking about ancient history, no.

SHUSTER: Rwanda wasn‘t ancient history; it was just a few years ago.

CARTER: You can talk about Rwanda if you want to. I want to talk

about Palestine. What is being done to the Palestinians now is horrendous

in their own territory, by the occupying powers, which is Israel.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15951792/

Then you so ignorantly responded,

” Geeshus. Are you guys for real?

What I said, was: Obama has a strong interest in, and understanding of, the myriad of complexities involving the various countries in the middle east. Tribal relations, power struggles, economics, historic, religious, etc. Carter had (and has) the same. Both "get it" - that it's an incredibly complicated, multi-layered area of the world.”

Then you answered and we were all worried about you,

"Fact and opinion are not equal and the same, nor blindly interchangable.

If I say "The earth is flat", you have every right to challenge that assertion and ask me to post some empirical evidence that the earth is flat. Or you can post evidence that shows the earth is not flat.

However, posting another person's web blog, where that person says, "I think the earth is flat, too!" is not evidence that the earth is flat.

Try reading the other thread about "intellectual honesty" in discourse and debate.” :zz::zz::zz:

Then finally after being prompted and getting back on subject you said,

“Obama - with his family history, having an understanding of Muslim culture - that helps him "get" the middle east, too. His speech in Cairo was broadly hailed in the middle east as he showed his understanding of area idiosyncrasies. He is intelligent and articulate regarding general middle eastern area concepts, and the middle east even points it out.

Carter, through the years of his Presidency and since, also has a strong and complex understanding of middle eastern issues.”

And as Paul Harvey would say, “Now You Know the Rest of the Story”

At least Helen Thomas and Jimmy Carter apologized. Kinda

And again, zero reading comprehension demonstrated.

Want to post where I said I didn't agree with Carter's middle east policy? I know it's easier to just ignore it :tro:

Hey, genius: if I did agree with Carter and/or Obama's middle east policies (specifically Israel, which I do not) - why do you think I would surreptitiously attempt to hide that? My well-known proclivity to not being the sole pro-Obama voice in the room? :D A top secret agenda to fool you regarding my support of Israel?

Hardly top but yes that's what I think!

why in the f' you would even bring up Jimmy Carter regarding mid-east understanding is beyond me yet to recommend reading his books on the subject?

Guess in your world Manson might have taught great culinary skills.

Aaaaaand it's cocktail hour :rolleyes:

I'm not trying to be a smart-ass. Let me ask you a simple question. If a person (Carter) says that Israel is the greatest human right violator in the world, do you think that is consistent with having a great understaing of the Middle East?

I would say that any person that thinks Israel is the greatest human rights violator in the world obviously has no understanding of the Middle East.

Great question. Last time she answered start a new thread.

Riot?

Let me ask you a simple question: do you understand that there is a difference between realizing that a situation is complex, being aware of the complexities and interactions and influences within a situation, yet then choosing actions that do not engender the best outcome?

Handicappers demonstrate that daily ;)

Again your answer with a question speaks volumes to those who 'get you'

Try again,

If a person (Carter) says that Israel is the greatest human right violator in the world, do you think that is consistent with having a great understaing of the Middle East?

I don't know where you're gonna find a doctor with enough patience to remove all the splinters from your butt from sitting on that fence like you do!
Do you EVER just answer a damn question? Sheesh:zz:

And I don't know how you survive the world, seeing issues in the simplistic black and white terms of a six-year-old.

You guys don't even realize that you are actually attacking someone who is agreeing with your own politics on this.

Complete morons :tro::D

answer the question! How hard is it?

Again, "If a person (Carter) says that Israel is the greatest human right violator in the world, do you think that is consistent with having a great understaing of the Middle East?"

Lets see... I dont agree with Obama and you agree with Obama. You never agree with my politics that I've noticed. Alot of the world IS black and white , IF you don't have the moral ambiguity of a Liberal!;)

Do you understand that there is a difference between realizing that a situation is complex, being aware of the complexities and interactions and influences within a situation, yet then choosing actions that do not engender the best outcome?

this is a re-broadcast of an earlier post! Slap the radio and you'll get another
fortune cookie answer!:D