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Alan07 06-02-2010 04:33 PM

6/5 (BEL): Belmont Day Undercard
 
6th (2:35) Woody Stephens S. (G2)

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 Eightyfiveinafifty Dominguez R A 123 L
2 Remand Velazquez J R 117 Blk-Off L
3 Discreetly Mine Castellano J J 123 L
4 Thank U Philippe Gomez G K 119 L
5 D' Funnybone Prado E S 123 L



7th (3:15) Just a Game S. (G1)

1 Mile (Widener Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 Cherokee Queen Gomez G K 118 L
2 My Princess Jess Velasquez C 118 L
3 Phola Dominguez R A 120 L
1a Speak Easy Gal Castellano J J 118 L
4 Fantasia (GB) Maragh R 118 L
5 Proviso (GB) Smith M E 120 L

A-Coupled: Cherokee Queen and Speak Easy Gal



8th (4:00) True North H. (G2)

6 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 More Than a Reason Maragh R 113 L
2 Custom for Carlos Lezcano J 118 L
3 Bribon (FR) Gomez G K 118 L
4 Strasbourg Castellano J J 112 L
5 Snapshot Desormeaux K J 114 L
6 Formidable Velasquez C 115 L
7 Elusive Warning Garcia Alan 115 L
8 Checklist Velazquez J R 114 L
9 Fantasy Free Dominguez R A 114 L
10 Gato Go Win Smith M E 115 L



9th (4:45) Acorn S. (G1)

1 Mile | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Hot Trip Coa E M 121 L
2 Tanda Solis A 121 L
3 Dances With Ashley Velazquez J R 121 L
4 Seeking the Title Desormeaux K J 121 L
5 Streaker Castellano J J 121 L
6 Amen Hallelujah Dominguez R A 121 L
7 Quiet Temper Gomez G K 121 L
8 Much Rejoicing Garcia Alan 121 L
9 Buckleupbuttercup Lezcano J 121 L
10 Tidal Pool Maragh R 121 L
11 Indian Burn Velasquez C 121 Blk-On L
12 Champagne d'Oro Garcia M 121 L
13 Crisp Borel C H 121 L



10th (5:36) Manhattan H. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles (Inner Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 Gio Ponti Dominguez R A 122 L
2 Strike a Deal Gomez G K 118 L
3 Pinckney Hill Maragh R 114 L
4 Winchester Velasquez C 115 L
5 Take the Points Prado E S 121 L
6 Court Vision Albarado R J 120 L
7 Jet Propulsion Garcia M 115 L
8 Grand Couturier (GB) Garcia Alan 117 L
9 Just as Well Desormeaux K J 117 L
10 Interpatation Lezcano J 116 L
11 Expansion Castellano J J 116 L



11th (6:32) Belmont S. (G1)

1 1/2 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Dave in Dixie Borel C H 126 L
2 Spangled Star Gomez G K 126 L
3 Uptowncharlybrown Maragh R 126 Blk-Off L
4 Make Music for Me Rosario J 126 L
5 Fly Down Velazquez J R 126 L
6 Ice Box Lezcano J 126 L
7 Drosselmeyer Smith M E 126 L
8 Game On Dude Garcia M 126 L
9 Stately Victor Garcia Alan 126 L
10 Stay Put Theriot J 126 L
11 First Dude Dominguez R A 126 L
12 Interactif Castellano J J 126 L

ateamstupid 06-02-2010 04:45 PM

The Acorn is outstanding. The Woody and Just a Game, not so much.

kgar311 06-02-2010 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 653340)
The Acorn is outstanding. The Woody and Just a Game, not so much.

I think the Woody is AWESOME! Cant wait for 85 and d'funnybone to hook up

Buckpasser 06-02-2010 05:19 PM

Check out Trappe Shot in the 4th

ateamstupid 06-02-2010 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kgar311 (Post 653342)
I think the Woody is AWESOME! Cant wait for 85 and d'funnybone to hook up

85/50 will eat D'F for lunch.

randallscott35 06-02-2010 05:28 PM

5 horse field? What

Hickory Hill Hoff 06-02-2010 05:34 PM

Is there any Brooklyn / Belmont Stakes double???

or dime superfectas on the Belmont Stakes

kgar311 06-02-2010 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 653360)
85/50 will eat D'F for lunch.

Im thinking so too, just hoping both are at the top of their game and it could be interesting in the stretch.

Travis Stone 06-02-2010 05:51 PM

Short fields or not, Belmont continues to carry the torch of best undercard of the Triple Crown.

kgar311 06-02-2010 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 653373)
Short fields or not, Belmont continues to carry the torch of best undercard of the Triple Crown.

Who says the quality of NY racing is deteriorating because of Monmouth? We have the best dirt and turf horses in training racing at belmont within 6 days of each other. Countless other grade 1 winners racing on Belmont day and the week after they are talking about Rachel going to the G1 Ogden Phipps. Behind the scenes may be in shambles the product is still the best in the country. GREAT UNDERCARD

ateamstupid 06-02-2010 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 653373)
Short fields or not, Belmont continues to carry the torch of best undercard of the Triple Crown.

Not this year. Churchill's Oaks and Derby undercards were better, and that's not a knock on Belmont, CD just did an unbelievable job this year.

philcski 06-02-2010 07:02 PM

Awesome undercard, I can't wait!!! The Acorn and Manhattan are fantastic.

Fulla Sheets 06-02-2010 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff (Post 653366)
Is there any Brooklyn / Belmont Stakes double???

or dime superfectas on the Belmont Stakes

Yes, there is a Brooklyn / Belmont double.

http://nyra.com/belmont/stories/May282010.shtml

stonegossard 06-02-2010 08:22 PM

Any of the NYRA bashers (The Fat Man) should officially now shut the hell up. Talk about a great betting card. Probably the best betting card of 2010 so far. NY will probably do about 50 times Monmouth's handle on Sat.

hurricanefrank 06-02-2010 10:29 PM

Boutique meet or not Monmouth can't hold a candle to Belmont in terms of the overall quality of horses competing. $7500 claimers running for $50K are still 7500 claimers in my book.

DaTruth 06-02-2010 10:50 PM

It is too bad that Comedero will pass on the Stephens in favor of a $400k sprint stakes at Charles Town.

blackthroatedwind 06-02-2010 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 653444)
It is too bad that Comedero will pass on the Stephens in favor of a $400k sprint stakes at Charles Town.

It definitely is but since he's a gelding you can't blame them one but for going for the cash.

I'm looking forward to seeing him in the King's Bishop. He might be really good but it would be nice to see him against some sterner competition.

Coach Pants 06-02-2010 11:04 PM

It is a great card. As it should be. We shouldn't be having discussions about bad fields for the traditional powerhouse circuit in the U.S.

I can even forgive the Woody Stephens field due to the 3 year old crop sucking so much a.ss this year.

NTamm1215 06-02-2010 11:07 PM

The thing about the Woody Stephens is that it's not even a terrible betting race. There are huge knocks on the two favorites and the 3rd choice hasn't won a sprint race since August.

NT

Gaelic Storm 06-02-2010 11:52 PM

I thought Crisp had a tough trip in the Oaks. Outside post is tough in the Acorn.

Pedigree Ann 06-03-2010 10:25 AM

Love the name of the Acorn starter Much Rejoicing. But she should be related to Brave Sir Robin somehow. (Monty Python and the Holy Grail, for you uneducated louts who don't know the source.:D Run away! Run away!)

jms62 06-03-2010 10:33 AM

Nice all stakes P4... The 2 short fields are also interesting.

randallscott35 06-03-2010 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 653527)
Nice all stakes P4... The 2 short fields are also interesting.

I think the Just A Game is normally a very deep field and one of my favorite races on the undercard....I would like to try and beat either fave in the Woody Stevens. Not sure I can

parsixfarms 06-03-2010 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 653531)
I think the Just A Game is normally a very deep field and one of my favorite races on the undercard....I would like to try and beat either fave in the Woody Stevens. Not sure I can

Only two. Won't three horses (D'Funnybone, Eightyfiveinafifty and Discreetly Mine) all be in the 2-1 range?

randallscott35 06-03-2010 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parsixfarms (Post 653539)
Only two. Won't three horses (D'Funnybone, Eightyfiveinafifty and Discreetly Mine) all be in the 2-1 range?

No DM will be much higher than that

parsixfarms 06-03-2010 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 653540)
No DM will be much higher than that

How high can he go in a five-horse field, especially where Remand looks outclassed? He has very good races over the track, and with the Pletcher/Castellano connection, I'm expecting that he'll be bet.

hockey2315 06-03-2010 12:06 PM

They can't all be too low.

NTamm1215 06-03-2010 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parsixfarms (Post 653542)
where Remand looks outclassed

I hope this is a popular opinion.

NT

hockey2315 06-03-2010 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 653560)
I hope this is a popular opinion.

NT

I'm with you - I sort of like him.

ateamstupid 06-03-2010 02:18 PM

85/50 - 6/5
DF - 8/5
DM - 7/2
TUP - 12/1
Remand - 9/1

My guess.

JJP 06-03-2010 11:45 PM

Love the stakes P4. And the P3 on the 3rd thru the 5th.

The rest of the card? You can have it. Definitely not a better undercard than Derby Day at Churchill.

westcoastinvader 06-04-2010 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 653373)
Short fields or not, Belmont continues to carry the torch of best undercard of the Triple Crown.


Undercard looks nice enough to me, too.

I just wish I had a clue (or consistent success) when it comes to betting New York races.

I'm confident in my California and Florida wagers, feeling I know those tracks.

When it comes to Arlington and New York tracks my few wagers fly with far less confidence. I gave up on Aqueduct years ago.

10 pnt move up 06-04-2010 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonegossard (Post 653407)
Any of the NYRA bashers (The Fat Man) should officially now shut the hell up. Talk about a great betting card. Probably the best betting card of 2010 so far. NY will probably do about 50 times Monmouth's handle on Sat.

Crist definitely disagrees with you on the card.

http://cristblog.drf.com/crist/

kgar311 06-04-2010 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 654020)
Crist definitely disagrees with you on the card.

http://cristblog.drf.com/crist/

WHO CARES about the 1st 2nd and 13th race, if thats all he can take from this card that he's being very short sighted. Some people will complain about anything

my miss storm cat 06-04-2010 08:44 PM

I really think Thank U Philippe looks good in the Woody Stephens.

Am I nuts here or does anyone else like him too?

Kasept 06-05-2010 10:11 AM

Custom for Carlos a SCR from the True North!

Scav 06-05-2010 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 654020)
Crist definitely disagrees with you on the card.

http://cristblog.drf.com/crist/

How does he disagree there? All he says is that they had to resort to some lower quality races to get 13 races?

I'm more interested in how he has horses double ranked, 'cx' , 'AB' , 'BC' ?

I'd love to know if that is him undecided on what level they belong or if he actually assigns both levels to the actual horse.

RolloTomasi 06-05-2010 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parsixfarms (Post 653542)
How high can he go in a five-horse field, especially where Remand looks outclassed? He has very good races over the track, and with the Pletcher/Castellano connection, I'm expecting that he'll be bet.

I think people will focus on his drubbing at the hands of D'Funnybone in the Futurity over the same track and distance last fall as the main reason to keep from making him one of the favorites.

If that doesn't work, his most recent sprint, the Spectacular Bid at GP, should do the trick.

To me, this horse is the classic speed horse that can't handle a sprint pace, which means the only way he can win is to hang on in a route race with a favorable pace scenario. Not sure what he's doing here, he should be in the prep races leading up to the Haskell.

Sightseek 06-05-2010 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 654303)
I think people will focus on his drubbing at the hands of D'Funnybone in the Futurity over the same track and distance last fall as the main reason to keep from making him one of the favorites.

If that doesn't work, his most recent sprint, the Spectacular Bid at GP, should do the trick.

To me, this horse is the classic speed horse that can't handle a sprint pace, which means the only way he can win is to hang on in a route race with a favorable pace scenario. Not sure what he's doing here, he should be in the prep races leading up to the Haskell.

He didn't exactly have smooth sailing in the Spectacular Bid.

RolloTomasi 06-05-2010 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 654316)
He didn't exactly have smooth sailing in the Spectacular Bid.

He did until he couldn't find enough to get past Wildcat Frankie.

Maybe they'll try to drop back and make one run today. He certainly can't go with Eightyfiveinafifty and last if that maiden race at Saratoga last summer is any indication.


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