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randallscott35 06-01-2010 02:16 PM

RACHEL JUNE 12th
 
Back in action for the H.O.Y.


http://drf.com/news/article/113477.html

randallscott35 06-01-2010 02:17 PM

Jackson says

According to Jackson, Rachel Alexandra is being considered for two races at Churchill Downs - the Stephen Foster and the Fleur de Lis - as well as the Ogden Phipps at Belmont Park and the Obeah at Delaware Park.

randallscott35 06-01-2010 02:18 PM

Who will be riding her?

Coach Pants 06-01-2010 02:18 PM

I hope they go the Zenyatta route.

randallscott35 06-01-2010 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 653077)
I hope they go the Zenyatta route.

Poly?

randallscott35 06-01-2010 02:19 PM

I think Rachel should be ridden by Chantal setting up a stretch duel with 5 wide Smith.

Coach Pants 06-01-2010 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 653080)
Poly?

No go the restricted route and just stay in Kentucky all year. Hell...run at Ellis Park.

We don't want these two to meet until the Breeders Cup. This sport thrives on what ifs. Lets not actually have them race each other until the majority of fans are to the point of not giving a s.hit.

Duvalier 06-01-2010 02:30 PM

Glad to hear Jackson say "We are getting her back to her fitness level of last year" I wonder how much more time they'll need to get her fit? Probably have to wait for the next press release immediately after the race on June 12th to see if she's finally there depending on the result.

Thunder Gulch 06-01-2010 02:37 PM

I doubt it would be the Foster, but here's hoping she goes there. The two losses have probably lowered their expectations, so the only way to restore it is to go out and beat the boys. Actually, a loss in open company probably wouldn't hurt at this point, whereas another loss to girls would be another big mark against her. Nothing to lose and without Quality Road, the other boys don't look intimidating anyway.

Cannon Shell 06-01-2010 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 653075)
Jackson says

According to Jackson, Rachel Alexandra is being considered for two races at Churchill Downs - the Stephen Foster and the Fleur de Lis - as well as the Ogden Phipps at Belmont Park and the Obeah at Delaware Park.

LOL

blackthroatedwind 06-01-2010 03:05 PM

She is the dam of Go for Wand.

Smooth Operator 06-01-2010 03:05 PM

Easier figuring out identities of CIA operatives than it is to pin our (diminished) 'horse-of-the-year' down to a race…

Cannon Shell 06-01-2010 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 653099)
She is the dam of Go for Wand.

That doesnt make the race named after her any less laughable for the great Rachael Alexanda's next spot. I recall a certain owner saying that the only races he was interested in were grade 1's. Imagine the answer you would have gotten from him had you asked if the Obeah was on the radar screen for RA a few months back?

RolloTomasi 06-01-2010 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 653104)
That doesnt make the race named after her any less laughable for the great Rachael Alexanda's next spot. I recall a certain owner saying that the only races he was interested in were grade 1's. Imagine the answer you would have gotten from him had you asked if the Obeah was on the radar screen for RA a few months back?

Rachel Alexandra hasn't run in Grade 1 yet this year, so at this stage the Obeah isn't as laughable as it might have been at the beginning of the year.

Being a prep for the Delaware Handicap, if Rachel Alexandra were to run and win the Obeah, it might renew interest in the main event as a possible showdown with Zenyatta.

Then we could have at least 3 or 4 good weeks of publicity, posters, trading cards, hotel reservations, ticket scalping, Steve Haskin diaries, etc. before one of them inevitably backs out.

Cannon Shell 06-01-2010 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 653112)
Rachel Alexandra hasn't run in Grade 1 yet this year, so at this stage the Obeah isn't as laughable as it might have been at the beginning of the year.

Being a prep for the Delaware Handicap, if Rachel Alexandra were to run and win the Obeah, it might renew interest in the main event as a possible showdown with Zenyatta.

Then we could have at least 3 or 4 good weeks of publicity, posters, trading cards, hotel reservations, ticket scalping, Steve Haskin diaries, etc. before one of them inevitably backs out.

All of her races this year are seemingly preps

randallscott35 06-01-2010 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 653117)
All of her races this year are seemingly preps

Strangely enough, both of her races this year were faster than Zenyatta's this year....Who'd have thunk it.

RolloTomasi 06-01-2010 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 653117)
All of her races this year are seemingly preps

Fair enough, but given her first couple of starts this year, if you were campaigning her would you be looking for tougher competition or the proverbial "confidence builder"?

Anyways, the Obeah is the most "ideal" spot on all fronts (and is the perfect fodder for more "RA is ducking" threads) as its 8.5f I believe (distance possibly being an important consideration for her connections), its technically a drop in class, its a direct prep over the same track for a more important contest, and it avoids Urivaled Belle at CD and Zardana at Belmont both of whom beat her previously.

That said, I presume she'll go for the Fleur De Lis. Do they still run the Molly Pitcher at Monmouth?

10 pnt move up 06-01-2010 05:25 PM

You know you have hit hard times when you are avoiding Zardana.

NTamm1215 06-01-2010 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 653120)
Fair enough, but given her first couple of starts this year, if you were campaigning her would you be looking for tougher competition or the proverbial "confidence builder"?

Anyways, the Obeah is the most "ideal" spot on all fronts (and is the perfect fodder for more "RA is ducking" threads) as its 8.5f I believe (distance possibly being an important consideration for her connections), its technically a drop in class, its a direct prep over the same track for a more important contest, and it avoids Urivaled Belle at CD and Zardana at Belmont both of whom beat her previously.

That said, I presume she'll go for the Fleur De Lis. Do they still run the Molly Pitcher at Monmouth?

Both Unrivaled Belle and Zardana are going to the Ogden Phipps.

NT

Merlinsky 06-02-2010 04:02 PM

How's Macho Again been looking lately? I forgot he won the Stephen Foster last year. It looks like he's had that one off the board finish this year in the Alysheba (G3) against Arson Squad whom he'll face again. Intuitively I feel like she could take either one of them based on her past couple, her workouts, and what I've seen of those two, but I didn't dig too deeply on that yet, esp. Arson Squad. Not sure how he's been working. If she brings her A game she'd have it and even her B game isn't to be laughed at. Those 2nd place finishes were good ones.

Of course she should've been able to win the first two races, but oh well. What I do feel is another race at 1 1/16 against females just makes me fidget. I'm not enamored with the Obeah unless she's got some legit crisis of confidence or something and they feel she'd knock it outta the park. Are we going to keep doing it til she gets it right? Eh, it's not gonna do her any favors to get beat in the Ogden Phipps, maybe some redemption's possible but if they feel she's back to her old self, it kills two birds with one stone to beat males in a G1. I just really like the idea of a 1 1/8, but that's me. What's the place money in the Stephen Foster? I guess we'll find out just how happy they are with her progress pretty soon.

johnny pinwheel 06-03-2010 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 653083)
No go the restricted route and just stay in Kentucky all year. Hell...run at Ellis Park.

We don't want these two to meet until the Breeders Cup. This sport thrives on what ifs. Lets not actually have them race each other until the majority of fans are to the point of not giving a s.hit.

how did you guess?(who cares) as if she even has a shot right now against zenyatta or the other males. breeders cup classic when you can't even win a simple prep....when pigs fly....if she does not win one soon she won't even be entered come fall. shes losing against zardana and unrivaled belle.....lets move her up....good luck!

Coach Pants 06-03-2010 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel (Post 653573)
how did you guess?(who cares) as if she even has a shot right now against zenyatta or the other males. breeders cup classic when you can't even win a simple prep....when pigs fly....if she does not win one soon she won't even be entered come fall.

How in the f.uck does anyone know if she can when they've never raced each other? It's not like Zenyatta is some kind of murderer on dirt.

johnny pinwheel 06-03-2010 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 653574)
How in the f.uck does anyone know if she can when they've never raced each other? It's not like Zenyatta is some kind of murderer on dirt.

yeah, she has not been able to beat the second stringers...apparently they knew it when they withdrew her from oaklawn....you know the race that zenyatta laughed around the track and won for the second time on dirt. where was rachel?? june 12 is soon enough for me to bet against her again...lol

Coach Pants 06-03-2010 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel (Post 653578)
yeah, she has not been able to beat the second stringers...apparently they knew it when they withdrew her from oaklawn....you know the race that zenyatta laughed around the track and won for the second time on dirt. where was rachel?? june 12 is soon enough for me to bet against her again...lol

Why are you s.hit talking when the two haven't met? I swear to god some of you are certifiably retarded. There is no rivalry because they've never raced. All of this what if bs is for the short bus contingent.

TitanSooner 06-03-2010 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 653580)
Why are you s.hit talking when the two haven't met? I swear to god some of you are certifiably retarded. There is no rivalry because they've never raced. All of this what if bs is for the short bus contingent.

:tro::tro::tro:

Antitrust32 06-03-2010 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 653580)
Why are you s.hit talking when the two haven't met? I swear to god some of you are certifiably retarded. There is no rivalry because they've never raced. All of this what if bs is for the short bus contingent.

:tro::tro:

CSC 06-03-2010 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 653112)
Rachel Alexandra hasn't run in Grade 1 yet this year, so at this stage the Obeah isn't as laughable as it might have been at the beginning of the year.

Strage comment coming from a critic of Zenyatta, yes Obeah is quite laughbable for the great Rachel Alexandra.

CSC 06-03-2010 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 653084)
Glad to hear Jackson say "We are getting her back to her fitness level of last year" I wonder how much more time they'll need to get her fit? Probably have to wait for the next press release immediately after the race on June 12th to see if she's finally there depending on the result.

He forgot the 'all options are open' comment. It's a broken record we know...

RolloTomasi 06-03-2010 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 653644)
Strage comment coming from a critic of Zenyatta, yes Obeah is quite laughbable for the great Rachel Alexandra.

How so? Zenyatta has two facile scores in Grade 1 races this year. There's no reason for her not to maintain that level or (perish the thought) even step it up another notch.

Rachel Alexandra has been beaten on the square as the heavy favorite in two lower level races. Seems fairly sensible to me that another "prep" or drop in class is the most potent tactic to get her back in the winner's circle.

letswastemoney 06-03-2010 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 653716)
How so? Zenyatta has two facile scores in Grade 1 races this year. There's no reason for her not to maintain that level or (perish the thought) even step it up another notch.

Rachel Alexandra has been beaten on the square as the heavy favorite in two lower level races. Seems fairly sensible to me that another "prep" or drop in class is the most potent tactic to get her back in the winner's circle.

The dirt version of Unrivaled Belle is G1 quality imo

CSC 06-03-2010 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 653716)
How so? Zenyatta has two facile scores in Grade 1 races this year. There's no reason for her not to maintain that level or (perish the thought) even step it up another notch.

Rachel Alexandra has been beaten on the square as the heavy favorite in two lower level races. Seems fairly sensible to me that another "prep" or drop in class is the most potent tactic to get her back in the winner's circle.

Dropping in class from 2 Gr.2's is not what I would call a confident placing for a horse that was facing males last year and ran almost exclusively in Gr.1 races. If she is entered in the Obeah, I would surmise the end is near, however didn't we just read a glowing report of her last work? Believe me, I hope the end isn't near for her, she's great for racing and I do want to see her close to last year so she can make the BC.

RolloTomasi 06-03-2010 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by letswastemoney (Post 653735)
The dirt version of Unrivaled Belle is G1 quality imo

Possibly, but as it stands on paper, her only Grade 1 to date she was beaten by Flashing, who wasn't within 20 lengths of Rachel Alexandra in the Mother Goose.

To be clear, Rachel Alexandra could go in any of those races mentioned and obviously be a contender for the win, but I don't think the Obeah is out of place on that list.

Didn't reigning 3yo champ Skip Away get dusted at odds-on in two races at Gulfstream to start his '97 campaign (having defeated the great Cigar in his final start at 3) and look for relief next out in a listed stakes at Lone Star (coincidentally he lost that race also)?

10 pnt move up 06-03-2010 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by letswastemoney (Post 653735)
The dirt version of Unrivaled Belle is G1 quality imo

according to a lot of seasoned handicappers on this site so is Zardana.

RolloTomasi 06-03-2010 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 653738)
Dropping in class from 2 Gr.2's is not what I would call a confident placing for a horse that was facing males last year and ran almost exclusively in Gr.1 races. If she is entered in the Obeah, I would surmise the end is near, however didn't we just read a glowing report of her last work? Believe me, I hope the end isn't near for her, she's great for racing and I do want to see her close to last year so she can make the BC.

You should be associated with the Pro-Zenyatta camp that fervently fails to separate 2009 from 2010.

randallscott35 06-07-2010 12:11 PM

http://drf.com/news/article/113667.html

Smooth Operator 06-07-2010 12:33 PM

Can't access the article here, randy

Does it shed any light on the greatest mystery (RA's next start) since the Zodiac killing spree?

randallscott35 06-07-2010 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 654976)
Can't access the article here, randy

Does it shed any light on the greatest mystery (RA's next start) since the Zodiac killing spree?

Headlines | Posted 6/7/2010, 10:00 am

'Very smooth' work for Rachel Alexandra
By Marty McGee
LOUISVILLE, Ky. - As the racing world awaits word where she will run Saturday, Rachel Alexandra went through her final prerace workout Monday morning at Churchill Downs, breezing a half-mile in 49.20 seconds over a fast track.

CSC 06-07-2010 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 654977)
Headlines | Posted 6/7/2010, 10:00 am

Rachel Alexandra pointed for Obeah stakes, after careful consideration...we feel her fitness level is at about 90%, with the layoff she has had, we therefore feel this is the best race for her at the this time.
By Marty McGee(Ghostwriter)
LOUISVILLE, Ky. - As the racing world awaits word where she will run Saturday, Rachel Alexandra went through her final prerace workout Monday morning at Churchill Downs, breezing a half-mile in 49.20 seconds over a fast track.

Here's an even better headline.

Sightseek 06-07-2010 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 655001)
Here's an even better headline.

You got me really excited for a moment because I can make it to Delaware, but not Churchill. Meanie. :p

CSC 06-07-2010 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 655002)
You got me really excited for a moment because I can make it to Delaware, but not Churchill. Meanie. :p

I don't wouldn't want to dissapoint anyone here. ;)


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