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Kasept 05-26-2010 02:30 PM

5/29-30 (BEL): Vagrancy (G2); NYB Stakes; Met (G1), Sands Pt. (G2)
 
9th (5:17) Vagrancy H. (G2)

6 1/2 Furlongs | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Rightly So Velasquez C 114 L
2 Hour Glass Cohen D 117 L
3 Tar Heel Mom Garcia Alan 119 L
4 Malibu Prayer Velazquez J R 117 L
5 Hold That Prospect Chavez J F 115 L
6 Lady Alexander Castellano J J 115 L
7 Saarlight Coa E M 114 L

Kasept 05-27-2010 04:58 PM

8th (4:44) Kingston S.

1 1/16 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Minnie Punt Lezcano J 116 L
2 Gimme Credit Castellano J J 118 L
3 Extra Zip Chavez J F 118 L
4 Cash'n in Dixie Coa E M 116 L
5 Banrock Desormeaux K J 123 L
6 Uncle T Seven Maragh R 116 L
7 Writingonthewall Prado E S 116 L
8 Star of New York Santiago V 116 L
MTO Dr. D. F. C. 116 L



9th (5:17) Mount Vernon S.

1 1/16 Miles (Inner turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Paraiba Prado E S 115 L
2 You Go West Girl Lezcano J 117 L
3 Tulipmania Desormeaux K J 115 L
4 Our Golden Dream Castellano J J 115 Blk-Off L
5 Stormy Relations Dominguez R A 115 L
6 Chestoria Cohen D 117 L
7 Akilina Maragh R 119 L
MTO Big Brownie Hill C 115 L

Alan07 05-28-2010 02:35 PM

9th (5:15) Sands Point S. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles (Inner Turf) | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Ultimate Class Castellano J J 117 L
2 More Is Better Velasquez C 117 L
3 Hit It Rich Desormeaux K J 117 L
4 Check the Label Dominguez R A 121 L
5 Khancord Kid Maragh R 120 L
6 Strike It Rich Hill C 117 L
7 Crescenda Coa E M 117 L
8 Negligee Velazquez J R 117 Blk-On L



10th (5:50) Metropolitan H. (G1)

1 Mile | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 Convocation Desormeaux K J 114 L
2 Tizway Maragh R 115 L
3 Musket Man Dominguez R A 117 L
4 Warrior's Reward Borel C H 118 L
5 Kensei Prado E S 116 L
6 You and I Forever Castellano J J 116 L
7 Quality Road Velazquez J R 124 L
8 Le Grand Cru Velasquez C 115 L

clyde 05-28-2010 03:20 PM

Where are the stinking pp's for the Met Mile,AL??

NTamm1215 05-29-2010 10:54 AM

Can we get Gales on here to tell us about how Musket Man is going to run huge? Or is he just going to get beat by Warrior's Reward for the 3rd time and Quality Road too?

NT

Indian Charlie 05-29-2010 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 652304)
Can we get Gales on here to tell us about how Musket Man is going to run huge? Or is he just going to get beat by Warrior's Reward for the 3rd time and Quality Road too?

NT

I kinda want a cameo by xx1985 to give us all this exacta.

Kasept 05-29-2010 01:28 PM

A. Jerkens this morning. Le Grand Cru blowout gets the best of 39 bullet..

Le Grand Cru :47.11 B 1/39

Left Bank 05-31-2010 04:58 PM

Damn,I thought Musket Man was gonna take him at the end there.What a race!

fpsoxfan 05-31-2010 05:00 PM

Impressive! Way to go Quality Road.

Travis Stone 05-31-2010 05:03 PM

This should be interesting... Quality Road is hands-down the leader for Horse of the Year at this point. Now there's plenty of time to go, and yes, he's not a 10f horse, but lots of funky scenarios could manifest themselves between now and the end to help elevate the interest level with the whole Rachel/Zenyatta thing losing steam.

DaTruth 05-31-2010 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 652814)
This should be interesting... Quality Road is hands-down the leader for Horse of the Year at this point. Now there's plenty of time to go, and yes, he's not a 10f horse, but lots of funky scenarios could manifest themselves between now and the end to help elevate the interest level with the whole Rachel/Zenyatta thing losing steam.

Quality Road will be the leader for Horse of the Year when he crosses the Rockies again.

letswastemoney 05-31-2010 05:57 PM

The Mosses are wasting a lot of time running Zenyatta in the Vanity if they want HOTY.

If their goal is to just relax and hold the streak record though, kudos to the Mosses.

Smooth Operator 05-31-2010 05:58 PM

Didn't catch the Met

How did QR's effort stack up against the gold standard performance (GZ) for the race?



Never mind … think we already know the answer…

booner 05-31-2010 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 652828)
Didn't catch the Met

How did QR's effort stack up against the gold standard performance (GZ) for the race?



Never mind … think we already know the answer…

Hard to match Ghostzapper's performance. One of my favorite races.

ateamstupid 05-31-2010 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 652828)
Didn't catch the Met

How did QR's effort stack up against the gold standard performance (GZ) for the race?



Never mind … think we already know the answer…

You're right, Ghostzapper is totally going to beat out Quality Road for HOY now.

I'm as big of a GZ fan as anyone, but since you didn't see the race, QR was absolutely terrific today. He battled through a contentious pace, completely broke the heart of Warrior's Reward around the turn and still had more than enough to hold off the perfect-trip Musket Man in 1:33.11. Face it, your girl's actually going to have to come run in some real races if Shirreffs wants HOY over this monster.

With all of that said, I don't think QR wants to run a step further than nine furlongs, so if he makes it to the BCC as the favorite, I'll be betting against him.

paulo537 05-31-2010 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 652304)
Can we get Gales on here to tell us about how Musket Man is going to run huge? Or is he just going to get beat by Warrior's Reward for the 3rd time and Quality Road too?

NT

How do you think Musket Man ran?

Travis Stone 05-31-2010 07:23 PM

I've been trying to figure out what Warrior's Reward was doing so close to the pace, and moving with 3/8's to go, when we've seen how he excels in his most recent few starts.

philcski 05-31-2010 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 652828)
Didn't catch the Met

How did QR's effort stack up against the gold standard performance (GZ) for the race?



Never mind … think we already know the answer…

It was damn close.

And I'm a huge Ghostzapper guy.

For what it's worth- it should be a 121 Beyer.

Smooth Operator 05-31-2010 07:55 PM

The usual post-race tard-fest over at TC


So MM gets a 118 or so, phil?

philcski 05-31-2010 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 652871)
The usual post-race tard-fest over at TC


So MM gets a 118 or so, phil?

Correct... although I wouldn't be surprised if they revise the number down because it was a closer margin, even though they shouldn't.

NTamm1215 05-31-2010 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski (Post 652874)
Correct... although I wouldn't be surprised if they revise the number down because it was a closer margin, even though they shouldn't.

They absolutely shouldn't. Musket Man is a nice horse and he ran a huge race.

NT

NTamm1215 05-31-2010 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulo537 (Post 652849)
How do you think Musket Man ran?

I think he ran a phenomenal race, he got a beautiful ride and ran clearly the best race of his career.

NT

blackthroatedwind 05-31-2010 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 652853)
I've been trying to figure out what Warrior's Reward was doing so close to the pace, and moving with 3/8's to go, when we've seen how he excels in his most recent few starts.

Borel must have an evil twin that rides outside of CD. That was a silly ride to be kind.

blackthroatedwind 05-31-2010 08:25 PM

It looks like the raw number is 114 which makes sense given a 98 for Miner's Reserve and 104 for Driven by Success.

Betsy 05-31-2010 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 652883)
It looks like the raw number is 114 which makes sense given a 98 for Miner's Reserve and 104 for Driven by Success.

Does the raw figure mean that it's just a preliminary figure and will be adjusted? I would have figured a BSF of at least 100 based on the fact that the races prior to Miner's Reserve seemed slow.

In any case, it was nice to see him run back to his maiden win. I never liked him running in the Florida Derby, but I expected him to do better than he did; I suppose he just hated the mud at CD.

Port Conway Lane 05-31-2010 09:14 PM

Did someone mention Dunkirk ?

philcski 05-31-2010 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 652883)
It looks like the raw number is 114 which makes sense given a 98 for Miner's Reserve and 104 for Driven by Success.

I get similar numbers for those two (99 & 104)... which would give QR a 120 or 121 because 1:33.11 should be 16 or 17 points faster than 1:21.75. It should be a -14 point variant for the day so the first race gets a 69 and the 3rd a 56.

blackthroatedwind 05-31-2010 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski (Post 652899)
I get similar numbers for those two (99 & 104)... which would give QR a 120 or 121 because 1:33.11 should be 16 or 17 points faster than 1:21.75. It should be a -14 point variant for the day so the first race gets a 69 and the 3rd a 56.

Sorry, but I don't see how a 1:33 corresponds to a 1:20 1/5 which is basically what you are saying.

philcski 05-31-2010 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 652900)
Sorry, but I don't see how a 1:33 corresponds to a 1:20 1/5 which is basically what you are saying.

Correct, that is what I'm saying... a 1:34 corresponds to a 1:21.25, and a 1:35 corresponds to a 1:22 1/5- so I don't think I'm wrong by much.

blackthroatedwind 05-31-2010 09:33 PM

That doesn't work for me....especially given that Quality Road went about 1:20 4/5.

blackthroatedwind 05-31-2010 09:37 PM

By the way, Phil, not to seem disagreeable, but you do realize the numbers posted at 10pm tonight are highly unlikely to have been massaged in any way?

philcski 05-31-2010 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 652906)
That doesn't work for me....especially given that Quality Road went about 1:20 4/5.

I agree with you that he went about 1:20 4/5. But that being said... the time chart is what it is, and a 1:33.11 is a 134 raw figure, and they clearly used a 14 point variant on the rest of the card.

I think you have a valid point that the time chart parallel might be incorrect at that level, however, and that would explain the difference.

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 652908)
By the way, Phil, not to seem disagreeable, but you do realize the numbers posted at 10pm tonight are highly unlikely to have been massaged in any way?

Well, how long do you think it takes the figure maker to determine the final level? First cut shouldn't take more than a half hour for Beyers. It isn't Thorograph where every runners' path has to be scrutinized, etc.

blackthroatedwind 05-31-2010 09:48 PM

I've done enough thinking for one day....I will stick with what I know.

It's not really a timing thing, per se, right now.

VOL JACK 05-31-2010 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 652877)
Borel must have an evil twin that rides outside of CD. That was a silly ride to be kind.

:tro:

philcski 05-31-2010 09:55 PM

All in all, I don't think anyone needs a number to know what an incredible performance that was anyways.

Tizway also ran monster.

blackthroatedwind 05-31-2010 10:01 PM

Agreed.

Tizway is a terrific horse. I was particularly happy he ran so well.

richard 05-31-2010 11:00 PM

"And Musket Man is firing at Quality Road !" Great stretch call by Durkin.

Sightseek 06-01-2010 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richard (Post 652927)
"And Musket Man is firing at Quality Road !" Great stretch call by Durkin.

Thought it was great too.

What a horse!

OldDog 06-01-2010 08:40 AM

Great stretch run by Musket Man, tremendous overall race by Quality Road, and a wonderful call by Tom Durkin. I had to pull to the side of the road so I wouldn't crash.

blackthroatedwind 06-01-2010 10:24 AM

One amusing sidenote to the Met considering a certain posters inane ramblings on this board was the contrast in rides. While the great Calvin Borel ( great because he was won three KY Derbys ) was butchering Warrior's Reward, the overrated Ramon Dominguez was giving as fine a ride as possible on Musket Man. One minimized his mount's chances and the other maximized his.


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