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brockguy 05-23-2010 05:34 AM

3rd great filly from last year running today!
 
Goldikova. She's going for her 8th G1 in France.

I think she'll lose though.

brockguy 05-23-2010 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by brockguy (Post 650384)
Goldikova. She's going for her 8th G1 in France.

I think she'll lose though.


She won it very comfortably from Byword - these two miles clear!!

Earlier on the card, Deluxe narrowly failed to give Super broodmare Hasili another G1 winner!!

Patrick333 05-23-2010 10:43 AM

Hope she stays in form until the Breeders' Cup.

Bigsmc 05-23-2010 05:10 PM

TVG going to show the replay coming up, or so they teased.

my miss storm cat 05-23-2010 05:12 PM

I stuck this in international but it should be here too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQVlD8UkRK4

blackthroatedwind 05-23-2010 05:51 PM

Did I hear right in the call.....was that Stacelita not lifting a hoof?

my miss storm cat 05-23-2010 05:57 PM

She was 6th. Very surprising. :(

brockguy 05-23-2010 06:04 PM

they changed tactics with her today (I think in an effort to avoid the 2 pacemakers!)- and it didnt work at all, she doesnt have a turn of foot and didnt pick up when asked for an effort.

I was actually watching the race beside Simon Crisford of Godolphin fame at The Curragh - i told him if they were looking for a horse to buy, Goldi would do OK for them :)

ateamstupid 05-23-2010 06:21 PM

What a monster.

freddymo 05-23-2010 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy (Post 650618)
they changed tactics with her today (I think in an effort to avoid the 2 pacemakers!)- and it didnt work at all, she doesnt have a turn of foot and didnt pick up when asked for an effort.

I was actually watching the race beside Simon Crisford of Godolphin fame at The Curragh - i told him if they were looking for a horse to buy, Goldi would do OK for them :)

They could ruin her in no time

videogirl10 05-23-2010 08:04 PM

so i read the article and it said this was her first start of the year. do the euros usually not start the year with "warm-up" races? it seems that she didn't have a problem going into a big race without one. is there a reason why american horses start off with one?

Arletta 05-23-2010 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by videogirl10 (Post 650634)
so i read the article and it said this was her first start of the year. do the euros usually not start the year with "warm-up" races? it seems that she didn't have a problem going into a big race without one. is there a reason why american horses start off with one?

I think maybe because they are able to train differently there than here by having a lot of long up and down hill gallops and "mock" races or trials with other stable mates.

Just a guess though.

miraja2 05-23-2010 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy (Post 650419)
Earlier on the card, Deluxe narrowly failed to give Super broodmare Hasili another G1 winner!!

Her record as a broodmare is beyond ridiculous, and Deluxe is adding to it this year. What are the odds of one mare producing that many outstanding horses?

Bigsmc 05-24-2010 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 650597)
I stuck this in international but it should be here too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQVlD8UkRK4

Sacre bleu, she is good.

brockguy 05-27-2010 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by videogirl10 (Post 650634)
so i read the article and it said this was her first start of the year. do the euros usually not start the year with "warm-up" races? it seems that she didn't have a problem going into a big race without one. is there a reason why american horses start off with one?


Meant to reply to this earlier, but this race, even though it was a G1 was essentially a prep for the Queen Anne Stakes at Royal Ascot. She's likely to face off against Rip Van Winkle and Paco Boy there which IMO would make it her toughest race to date- it will be something to look forward to!

blackthroatedwind 05-27-2010 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by brockguy (Post 651612)
Meant to reply to this earlier, but this race, even though it was a G1 was essentially a prep for the Queen Anne Stakes at Royal Ascot. She's likely to face off against Rip Van Winkle and Paco Boy there which IMO would make it her toughest race to date- it will be something to look forward to!

Consider it her Vanity.

Indian Charlie 05-27-2010 08:46 AM

Did she have to ship over that Eiffel Tower?

Smooth Operator 05-27-2010 01:52 PM

The same RVW that Z crushed in the BCC?

parsixfarms 05-27-2010 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 651715)
The same RVW that Z crushed in the BCC?

No, this RVW is running on his preferred surface and without foot problems.

blackthroatedwind 05-27-2010 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms (Post 651716)
No, this RVW is running on his preferred surface and without foot problems.

Not to mention on his regular continent....six thousand miles from Zenyatta's home base.

Plus, he won't have to fly over those dang Rockies.

the_fat_man 05-27-2010 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 651715)
The same RVW that Z crushed in the BCC?

No doubt about it: she was LUCKY to beat him.:rolleyes:

blackthroatedwind 05-27-2010 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 651726)
No doubt about it: she was LUCKY to beat him.:rolleyes:

I think it's only fair that she fly over to Europe to meet him on his home court. I mean, you seem to think Rachel Alexandra should have done the same last Fall....so surely you are disappointed in Zenyatta not running against Rip Van Winkle at Royal Ascot.

the_fat_man 05-27-2010 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 651727)
I think it's only fair that she fly over to Europe to meet him on his home court. I mean, you seem to think Rachel Alexandra should have done the same last Fall....so surely you are disappointed in Zenyatta not running against Rip Van Winkle at Royal Ascot.

Is Dahoss or Mike the EUNUCH coaching you? This was the BC CLASSIC after all. Those that wanted to show up, DID, and got their butts kicked. Those that didn't, only have their supporters to offer excuses. Everything else is just rhetoric from the 'LOSING' side. I know it sucks being on the wrong side. I know it sucks waiting for the BIG HORSE to lose. I know it sucks watching RA spit it out.

What's really interesting, however, is that you're now also pushing the Beyers on TURF. How'd they do with Dear Contender? :rolleyes: Didn't quite make on Trips and Traps, either, huh?

Smooth Operator 05-27-2010 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms (Post 651716)
No, this RVW is running on his preferred surface and without foot problems.

So you don't see him making the trip to CD this year for a rematch with Z on her preferred surface?

blackthroatedwind 05-27-2010 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 651729)
Is Dahoss or Mike the EUNUCH coaching you? This was the BC CLASSIC after all. Those that wanted to show up, DID, and got their butts kicked. Those that didn't, only have their supporters to offer excuses. Everything else is just rhetoric from the 'LOSING' side. I know it sucks being on the wrong side. I know it sucks waiting for the BIG HORSE to lose. I know it sucks watching RA spit it out.

What's really interesting, however, is that you're now also pushing the Beyers on TURF. How'd they do with Dear Contender? :rolleyes: Didn't quite make on Trips and Traps, either, huh?


How did the 3rd winner at Belmont yesterday do after having one of those " hemmed in down inside " trips that you mock me for talking about?

Different things work. The difference is that you are so dogmatic that you refuse to understand this and insist on mocking others for seeing many sides to the game.

Nice deflection on your Zenyatta nonsense. Then again, you can't answer the question, because all it does is further expose your built-in hypocracy.

blackthroatedwind 05-27-2010 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 651733)
So you don't see him making the trip to CD this year for a rematch with Z on her preferred surface?


You don't see Zenyatta playing fairly and meeting him at Royal Ascot.

parsixfarms 05-27-2010 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 651733)
So you don't see him making the trip to CD this year for a rematch with Z on her preferred surface?

How do we know this? It can't be because John Sheriffs says so, as anything that's come out of his mouth lately has been utter nonsense.

the_fat_man 05-27-2010 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 651735)
How did the 3rd winner at Belmont yesterday do after having one of those " hemmed in down inside " trips that you mock me for talking about?

Different things work. The difference is that you are so dogmatic that you refuse to understand this and insist on mocking others for seeing many sides to the game.


Nice deflection on your Zenyatta nonsense. Then again, you can't answer the question, because all it does is further expose your built-in hypocracy.

I was in the office all day yesterday and have no idea about what happened at BEL. I'm not dogmatic-- I bet all sorts of trips. Clearly, you can't believe that someone who uses no figures, of any kind, yet has a competitive opinion would be 'dogmatic'? Is Mariano 'dogmatic' because he only relies on a single pitch?:rolleyes:

I also don't think I mock any more than anyone else here.

Once upon a time you were a trip handicapper. Now, you're a NYRA and DRF/BEYER shill. You're indoctrinated and the best part of what you do/represent is suppressed for the 'cause'. You're clearly the Christopher Clavius of present day racing.

blackthroatedwind 05-27-2010 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 651741)

Once upon a time you were a trip handicapper. Now, you're a NYRA and DRF/BEYER shill. You're indoctrinated and the best part of what you do/represent is suppressed for the 'cause'. You're clearly the Christopher Clavius of present day racing.


This is as laughable as it is disgraceful.

blackthroatedwind 05-27-2010 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 651741)

Once upon a time you were a trip handicapper. Now, you're a NYRA and DRF/BEYER shill. You're indoctrinated and the best part of what you do/represent is suppressed for the 'cause'. You're clearly the Christopher Clavius of present day racing.

Now that I have the time to answer this crap in more detail.....

I work for NYRA, so of course I promote what we do, but whether you like it or not, I also happen to believe in what we are doing, whether they are the best of times or less so. I neither lie to nor deceive people....nor would I ever. As for the BEYER/DRF shill comment.....this is utter BS. I have used the DRF Formulator product for many years, and always felt it was the best available product, and am proud if in any way I have helped even one horseplayer by bringing it to their attention. As for Beyer, please find ONE other public handicapper that intelligently disagrees with specific figures, on the air, even 1/10th as much as I do. Just because I say why, and do it in a fair manner, does not mean I am shilling or defending them. And, feel free to ask Beyer if there is anyone that discusses differences of opinion over figures more with him than I do outside of his business associates.

As for the rest, where you suggest what I do has been suppressed....this is the biggest pile of sh it you have ever laid on any message board....and that's saying something. I am forthright in my discussion of races, trips, and rides, and I dare you to prove otherwise with actual examples.

This was a disgraceful cheap shot on your part....and frankly you should know a lot better. I don't care if someone doesn't like my style, or agree with my opinion, or even like me....but if you are going to criticize me, do yourself the favor of doing it with at least some accuracy.

Danzig 05-27-2010 08:04 PM

now even goldikova can't be discussed without zenyatta being mentioned?! good god, some people are stuck in a rut.

blackthroatedwind 05-27-2010 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 651799)
now even goldikova can't be discussed without zenyatta being mentioned?! good god, some people are stuck in a rut.

Well, she is an interesting counterexample of how an owner that is confident in his ( or her ) horse can campaign it....especially if they aren't afraid to lose.

Then again, Rachel Alexandra already demonstrated that as well last year.

ateamstupid 05-27-2010 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 651741)
I also don't think I mock any more than anyone else here.

You can't be this self-deluded. I think if I ever saw a thread in The Paddock that didn't include you repeatedly using the :rolleyes: about someone or something, my head would explode.

the_fat_man 05-27-2010 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 651805)
You can't be this self-deluded. I think if I ever saw a thread in The Paddock that didn't include you repeatedly using the :rolleyes: about someone or something, my head would explode.

Shouldn't you really be more concerned with the continued use of the :tro:
whenever you hit one of those 3:1 pick3's or 4's, rather than focusing on what I'm doing?

btw, where was my :tro: for that 31:1 shot?:rolleyes:

Clearly, you jest, Joey. So now use of smilies is being held against posters?

ateamstupid 05-27-2010 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 651807)
Shouldn't you really be more concerned with the continued use of the :tro:
whenever you hit one of those 3:1 pick3's or 4's, rather than focusing on what I'm doing?

btw, where was my :tro: for that 31:1 shot?:rolleyes:

Clearly, you jest, Joey. So now use of smilies is being held against posters?

Your shtick is extremely tired. Anything valuable you have to say is drowned by a sea of unnecessary jabs and attacks. Just like that 31-1 winner was drowned in Selections by about 400 missed "one number" exactas.

the_fat_man 05-27-2010 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 651812)
Your shtick is extremely tired. Anything valuable you have to say is drowned by a sea of unnecessary jabs and attacks. Just like that 31-1 winner was drowned in Selections by about 400 missed "one number" exactas.

400? That's about what your pick3/4 combos look like for a given day. Remember, it's all about properly structuring your tickets.:rolleyes:

And, actually, at least during one of those sequences, when you were taking multiple BOWS for hitting a 20 number or whatever pik3 or 4 that got you back 8:1 (or something like that), I hit a 14:1 one number. Of course, I didn't feel the need to take bows. And you're forgetting my one number 50:1 Lloydobler exacta. I get it, Joey: you don't like me. And you think that you're a better handicapper than me. On the other hand, you provide quite a bit of amusement with your post race comments. Sort of like the Eric Donovan of the board, if you will. :rolleyes:

Shouldn't you be hard at work putting together one of those multi-race multi-number, super lucrative combos?

chuckle

ateamstupid 05-27-2010 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 651816)
400? That's about what your pick3/4 combos look like for a given day. Remember, it's all about properly structuring your tickets.:rolleyes:

And, actually, at least during one of those sequences, when you were taking multiple BOWS for hitting a 20 number or whatever pik3 or 4 that got you back 8:1 (or something like that), I hit a 14:1 one number. Of course, I didn't feel the need to take bows. And you're forgetting my one number 50:1 Lloydobler exacta. I get it, Joey: you don't like me. And you think that you're a better handicapper than me. On the other hand, you provide quite a bit of amusement with your post race comments. Sort of like the Eric Donovan of the board, if you will. :rolleyes:

Shouldn't you be hard at work putting together one of those multi-race multi-number, super lucrative combos?

chuckle

No one likes you. And this is a perfect example of why. You take repeated shots at how I play and the tickets I cash, when I never brought up handicapping or suggested I was better than anyone. Multiple bows? You've got issues. I say thank you, once, if people choose to say congrats on a hit. The day when I start caring about what some miserable degenerate thinks of my plays is the day I stop playing the horses. So thanks for the advice, but I'm good.

the_fat_man 05-27-2010 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 651735)
How did the 3rd winner at Belmont yesterday do after having one of those " hemmed in down inside " trips that you mock me for talking about?

Green Bananas?

blackthroatedwind 05-27-2010 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 651828)
Green Bananas?


Instead of being a man and apologizing for your disgraceful cheap shots you pick up that I had the wrong race ( it was the 4th ).

You're a sorry excuse for a human being.

the_fat_man 05-27-2010 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 651839)
Instead of being a man and apologizing for your disgraceful cheap shots you pick up that I had the wrong race ( it was the 4th ).

You're a sorry excuse for a human being.

Are you off your meds? I don't watch all the NYRA races. Isn't it easier to ask rather than firing up replays?

Moreover, what do I need to apologize for: having a different opinion that you or some of the others here?


I get a kick out of you guys. You're calling me a 'sorry excuse', Joey has me being a 'degenerate', I'm also 'miserable'. Sucks being me, huh?:D


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