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Rupert Pupkin 05-22-2010 07:25 PM
Monmouth Handle Doubles!
 
They did incredible business today at Monmouth when comparing the numbers to opening day last year. Last year the total handle on opening day was $4.28 million. Today the total handle was $9.36 million. The on-track attendance last year was 10,292. This year it was 17,903.
That is good news. Let's hope it continues.

http://drf.com/news/article/113202.html

Cannon Shell 05-22-2010 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 650243)
They did incredible business today at Monmouth when comparing the numbers to opening day last year. Last year the total handle on opening day was $4.28 million. Today the total handle was $9.36 million. The on-track attendance last year was 10,292. This year it was 17,903.
That is good news. Let's hope it continues.

http://drf.com/news/article/113202.html
All without one cent from NYCOTB makes it even more promising news

ateamstupid 05-22-2010 07:50 PM
Good news indeed. Any word on Gomez and Marquez? Not sure I've ever seen four jocks tossed in one day.

Rupert Pupkin 05-22-2010 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 650251)
Good news indeed. Any word on Gomez and Marquez? Not sure I've ever seen four jocks tossed in one day.
Gomez is ok. He should be back tomorrow. I haven't heard anything about the other guys.

That was crazy. Every time I looked up it seemed that a jock was going down, whether it was in the post parade, at the break, or during the race.

Cannon Shell 05-22-2010 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 650251)
Good news indeed. Any word on Gomez and Marquez? Not sure I've ever seen four jocks tossed in one day.
All the politicians spooked the horses.

ateamstupid 05-22-2010 08:15 PM

Cannon Shell 05-22-2010 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 650264)
lol sorry if not drinking the kool aid automatically and following the herd. We all know the herd is always right. Whether it be investing, housing prices or betting the favorite at the track.

Just think people need to think about these things and take critical eye. And not let media push something down their throats and not question

Feel comfortable in saying most want to see this work
What "media" is pushing this down anyones throat? What is the debate from the racing fans point of view? What agenda is the "media" pushing? What are you talking about?

dalakhani 05-22-2010 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 650264)
lol sorry if not drinking the kool aid automatically and following the herd. We all know the herd is always right. Whether it be investing, housing prices or betting the favorite at the track.

Just think people need to think about these things and take critical eye. And not let media push something down their throats and not question

Feel comfortable in saying most want to see this work
Wouldn't you expect on track handle to be higher at belmont for a weekend like this than at monmouth regardless of purse size or attendance? Demographics are what they are. Its not like gamblers with money decided to drive down to the shore to catch the...elkhorn?

If it is a saturday at the end of June and nothing has changed, I understand your point. If it is a saturday where there is a graded feature, I understand your point. But a saturday in the middle of may before beach season?

Come on. A little tough arent we?

philcski 05-22-2010 08:28 PM
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/nat.../monmouth.aspx

... but 20-25% is next to impossible ;)

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 650273)
Wouldn't you expect on track handle to be higher at belmont for a weekend like this than at monmouth regardless of purse size or attendance? Demographics are what they are. Its not like gamblers with money decided to drive down to the shore to catch the...elkhorn?

If it is a saturday at the end of June and nothing has changed, I understand your point. If it is a saturday where there is a graded feature, I understand your point. But a saturday in the middle of may before beach season?

Come on. A little tough arent we?
C'mon Fupeg, your logic is too logical! :p

ateamstupid 05-22-2010 08:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 650273)
Wouldn't you expect on track handle to be higher at belmont for a weekend like this than at monmouth regardless of purse size or attendance? Demographics are what they are. Its not like gamblers with money decided to drive down to the shore to catch the...elkhorn?

If it is a saturday at the end of June and nothing has changed, I understand your point. If it is a saturday where there is a graded feature, I understand your point. But a saturday in the middle of may before beach season?

Come on. A little tough arent we?
I doubt Kulina and Robinson are crying in their ice cream right now about ontrack handle, regardless of what Chuck D up there says.

pointman 05-22-2010 08:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 650273)
Wouldn't you expect on track handle to be higher at belmont for a weekend like this than at monmouth regardless of purse size or attendance? Demographics are what they are. Its not like gamblers with money decided to drive down to the shore to catch the...elkhorn?

If it is a saturday at the end of June and nothing has changed, I understand your point. If it is a saturday where there is a graded feature, I understand your point. But a saturday in the middle of may before beach season?

Come on. A little tough arent we?
They may even get Snooki. Or even better, The Situation!

Cannon Shell 05-22-2010 08:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 650272)
http://www.drf.com/news/article/113202.html

And I see fans already following it without questioning

There has been ton of discussion about this in recent weeks and not much context in regard to handle

Not trying to be a downer here

Just trying to bring some reason to the table

I want this to work

But lets not go overboard with what happened today
What is there to question? If you like the cards, big fields, etc you play Monmouth. If you dont want to follow the racing there you stick with what you already play. I'm not sure how a track doubling its handle on opening day is a negative. While there is a long ways to go i dont see anyone suggesting that it was anything but a great start. And that is without NYC OTB doing a dime of business.

freddymo 05-22-2010 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 650281)
They may even get Snooki. Or even better, The Situation!
I would love to .... Snookie

freddymo 05-22-2010 08:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 650283)
What is there to question? If you like the cards, big fields, etc you play Monmouth. If you dont want to follow the racing there you stick with what you already play. I'm not sure how a track doubling its handle on opening day is a negative. While there is a long ways to go i dont see anyone suggesting that it was anything but a great start. And that is without NYC OTB doing a dime of business.
Look less racing is the answer period. The track today had people had a buzz and had horses.. Why anyone would bet Golden Gate or Hollywood or CD is beyond me. CLOSE THESE TRACK

Cannon Shell 05-22-2010 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 650277)
I have gone to both tracks probably 100 times each in my life

I know them both well

All i am saying is three times as many people went to Monmouth and they barely beat Belmont handle

And thats not unusual. Monmouth regularly outdraws Belmont on the weekends in regard to on track attendance

Monmouth is going to need people betting to make this work. Going to the track is not enough they need people betting

Monmouth has always been able to get people to go to the track. Its a beautiful track with a real hard core crowd.

This is about their survival

Can already see from the responses here that it strikes a nerve with people. Not sure why

Not insulting anyone, not belittling Monmouth or what they are doing.

I want this to work.

If it doesnt there is no more Monmouth
They doubled their handle. Doubled. Someone was betting.

Rupert Pupkin 05-22-2010 08:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 650272)
http://www.drf.com/news/article/113202.html

And I see fans already following it without questioning

There has been ton of discussion about this in recent weeks and not much context in regard to handle

Not trying to be a downer here

Just trying to bring some reason to the table

I want this to work

But lets not go overboard with what happened today
There is nothing to debate. The numbers today were great. Everything was way up. Attendance was way up. On-track handle was way up. Total handle was up by 2x. There is nothing negative to say about the day they had today. All the numbers surpassed everyone's highest expectations.

They never had the expectation that on-track handle today would surpass Belmont's on-track handle. Whoever said that they expected on-track handle at Monmouth to surpass Belmont today? I never heard anyone predict that.

ateamstupid 05-22-2010 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by HomerS
But I am not going to fall into trap and say all is well based on today and how blue skies ahead. Doesnt take much for anyone to write article saying look what handle is compared to last year. Anyone can do that. Just looking a little deeper
You're not "looking deeper." You're making something out of nothing. Ontrack handle at Belmont is irrelevant to a great start by Monmouth, which is all anyone called it. I didn't see anyone declaring racing to be back to postwar popularity. But it was unequivocally a great opening day.

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Originally Posted by HomerS
Frankly its not nearly as impressive as it appears on paper
False. It's more impressive than it appears on paper, precisely because of what Chuck pointed out.

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Originally Posted by HomerS
I feel confident in saying folks who run Monmouth- who are sharp- are not backslapping each other in celebration and saying all their problems are over
Once again, who said this in this thread? Who said anything like this? This is a discussion about Monmouth's opening day, and whether it was a positive or negative sign.

Cannon Shell 05-22-2010 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 650292)
Ill try once more to make myself clear

I want this to work. I have bet Monmouth my whole life.I bet it today and will bet it tomorrow

I want to bet it next week, next month and next year

And for years to come

I want Monmouth to be around for another 100 years

It is a great track with a solid fan base

But I am not going to fall into trap and say all is well based on today and how blue skies ahead. Doesnt take much for anyone to write article saying look what handle is compared to last year. Anyone can do that. Just looking a little deeper

Frankly its not nearly as impressive as it appears on paper

That being said it can certainly improve. And it will need to

Because if it doesnt Monmouth will not exist. They are committed to paying out a ton in purses and need people to bet every day.

I feel confident in saying folks who run Monmouth- who are sharp- are not backslapping each other in celebration and saying al l their problems are over
Dude no one is saying that Monmouth or racings problems are solved. But your theory of people need to bet every day or their on track handle was not strong enough is misguided. It was one very successful day despite the largest non NJ batting outlet not taking any bets on the card. As for your idea that it needs to improve? Huh? If each of the remaining 49 days are as successful as today, it will be considered a wild sucess.

Cannon Shell 05-22-2010 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 650296)
Doubled it from what?

The primary reason Monmouth is on the brink of extinction is because of low handle in past years

Just has to be in context

If Washington Nationals increase attendance is their past low attendance not relevant?
If the nationals double their attendance i'm sure that would be considered a wild success as well.

ateamstupid 05-22-2010 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 650299)
Its relevant because they are direct competition.

There is limited betting dollar

NY is ripe for the picking right now with all the nonsense going on

Monmouth should beat them. And should do so every time they go head to head. Lets see if it happens. It needs to. I hope it happens
There is limited betting dollar? HANDLE INCREASED OVER 100% FOR MONMOUTH. How much more should it have gone up? The fact that Belmont Park didn't evaporate into thin air doesn't mean it wasn't a wildly successful day for Monmouth.

freddymo 05-22-2010 08:58 PM
MP was busy today with new people that were excited about being at the track.. If the State needs to supplement the purses to the tune of 10 or 20 mil so be it.. Racing needed a jump start and the state investing 20 or 30 mil over the next few years to keep the excitement makes sense.. VLT at MP or Freehold DONT!

Cannon Shell 05-22-2010 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 650302)
We all know every day is not going to be like today.

Its not about that. Thats my point

Just like we know that every day is not like the Haskell

Opening day tends to bring out more people and betting then normal. And Monmouth cant afford that. This cant be the best they do. If it is they go out of business.

It needs to be more. And it can be. Am sure there are some taking wait and see approach
LOL.
They doubled last years OPENING DAY!

You are right, Wednesday the place will be empty...

Cannon Shell 05-22-2010 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 650305)
MP was busy today with new people that were excited about being at the track.. If the State needs to supplement the purses to the tune of 10 or 20 mil so be it.. Racing needed a jump start and the state investing 20 or 30 mil over the next few years to keep the excitement makes sense.. VLT at MP or Freehold DONT!
Dont forget the state owns the profitable NJbets which somehow seems to elude people talking about how much the tracks lost last year.

ateamstupid 05-22-2010 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 650310)
LOL.
They doubled last years OPENING DAY!

You are right, Wednesday the place will be empty...
:tro:

pick4 05-22-2010 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 650283)
What is there to question? If you like the cards, big fields, etc you play Monmouth. If you dont want to follow the racing there you stick with what you already play. I'm not sure how a track doubling its handle on opening day is a negative. While there is a long ways to go i dont see anyone suggesting that it was anything but a great start. And that is without NYC OTB doing a dime of business.
I agree with every point you made. I played very very lightly at Monmouth today as I'm not use to the track and the horses. My handle was $66 and I had a few hits which made it a profitable day. Once I get a better grasp on this track and the horses I'll increase my wagers. So far so good.

DaTruth 05-22-2010 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 650288)
Look less racing is the answer period. The track today had people had a buzz and had horses.. Why anyone would bet Golden Gate or Hollywood or CD is beyond me. CLOSE THESE TRACK
Is that you tied for second after day 1 of the Survival at the Shore contest?

Coach Pants 05-22-2010 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 650264)
lol sorry if not drinking the kool aid automatically and following the herd. We all know the herd is always right. Whether it be investing, housing prices or betting the favorite at the track.

Just think people need to think about these things and take critical eye. And not let media push something down their throats and not question

Feel comfortable in saying most want to see this work
Oh don't front. You don't have a gag reflex.

Cannon Shell 05-22-2010 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 650317)
How much do you think NJbets makes in a year?

Even considering they are a monopoly

Will give you a hint cant get a good 4th starter in MLB for what they make
They are making enough to approve $16 million for an off track betting venue in Bayonne. That is Jeter money

Cannon Shell 05-22-2010 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 650331)
Not unless he takes a 80% pay cut

Last figures I saw was they made between $4 and $5 million

Dont get me started on NJ betting parlors

How long have they been legal in NJ and how many are in place right now

A joke

Dysfunctional
Assume they made $4 or $5 million. Subtract that from the money the state supposedly lost on the tracks and the total is now 25% lower. We hear that racing is fighting for its survival in NJ yet a entity that supposedly only made a few million dollars statewide last year is going to pony up $16 million for another better parlor? Ok.


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