Standing ovation
 

gross

obscene.......what about ALL the immigrants that did it the RIGHT way! :mad:

just who is in charge of our country??? :rolleyes:

Of course the people who were standing ignored the fact that the law that he knocked mirrors the very one they created. A buffoon who presides over a laughingly corrupt govt that imposes a far more draconian immigration standard than the AZ law is someone who should have not been allowed in the building, let alone lauded. Liberals and bleeding hearts can cry all they want about the law but the fact remains that in AZ virtually every illegal alien is Mexican. If 99.8% of illegals in the state are Mexicans then how exactly is it profiling to "target" Mexicans who have broken the law? It is simply common sense.

Welcome back

Why don't Pelosi and Biden just change the flag to a hammer and sickle while they're standing up there and just be done with it?

Applauding the viewpoint of the president of Mexico, who's people are invading our country illegally...wow...if that doesn't justify all the condescension and arrogance we get from the Democratic party, I don't know what does.

It will be amusing in November when the Republican Tsunami sweeps many of the liberals out of office, because they will be on talk shows hanging their heads saying "I don't understand why this happened..."

[quote=joeydb;649641]Why don't Pelosi and Biden just change the flag to a hammer and sickle while they're standing up there and just be done with it?

Applauding the viewpoint of the president of Mexico, who's people are invading our country illegally...wow...if that doesn't justify all the condescension and arrogance we get from the Democratic party, I don't know what does.

It will be amusing in November when the Republican Tsunami sweeps many of the liberals out of office, because they will be on talk shows hanging their heads saying "I don't understand why this happened..."[/QUOTE]

Because it happens every time there's a majority plus a sitting President. You can't take credit for an uprising when it happens all the time.

can't believe the last time I was pulled over I was asked for three papers, license, registration and insurance.

Do they even care about Americans working? Odd on a day when the worst jobless claim in 3 mos. (no new census workers) was put in the books this is their priority? N. Korea is found to have sunk a S. Korean ship and not a peep. Don't interfere with la fiesta. Viva la Mexico!

While it's true that the minority party often gains seats in the midterm elections when the president and congress are controlled by the majority party, the degree to which this change is likely to occur will surpass any precedent.

I was commenting more on the overruling of public sentiment on passing the healthcare debacle which the majority of Americans oppose, and now applauding the words of a foreign president against our country and one of our states, when the overwhelming majority of Americans support that law.

The Democrats are out of touch, and that's what will burn them in November, over and above the trend which you have correctly pointed out.

November isnt too far off. This country needs more people like the Governor of Arizona, who isnt going to wait for Washington to take action on the worthless illegals. Funny how Hannity said O'Dumbass was an embarrassment to Americans for applauding Calderon when he was attacking the new Arizona law.

i just wish the people in charge of planning the republican fall campaign shared your arrogance. they just placed their entire focus on a single house seat in a district that voted for mccain in 2008. and lost it.

if there was a tsunami coming, wouldn't we have found out about it last tuesday?

the wet dream scenario you have for november doesn't appear to have any basis in reality. republicans will pick up seats. that's true. they've had 2 disastrous election cycles so there are more democratic incumbents. and incumbents will pay the price for a bad economy.

healthcare votes will cost 2-3 freshmen dems their seats. and as much as immigration energizes the republican base, it does the same for hispanics.

how big republican gains will be has a lot more to do with what happens between now and november than what happened in 2009.

I think the law allows unequal treatment of citizens (based too much on race.) I don't want someone like Andre Ethier getting stopped just because he's half Latino. Whatever measures used to stop Illegal Immgration needs to be very forceful. We need to punish those who hire them. Even if the illegals have fake papers to show, employers should be fined if it's found that THEY HAVE AN ILLEGAL WORKING FOR THEM. That means you better be pretty damn sure that your employee is a citizen. Matter of fact, why take a chance? Guess who's gunna get hired? Those with the best English skills. Those who people are pretty damn sure are citizens. That's not racial profiling. It's letting Americans be responsible for who they employ. Illegals aren't gunna be responsible. You need to put the pain on those who have the most to lose.


And later has this conversation with Wolf Blitzer:

BLITZER: So if people want to come from Guatemala or Honduras or El Salvador or Nicaragua, they want to just come into Mexico, they can just walk in?

CALDERON: No. They need to fulfill a form. They need to establish their right name. We analyze if they have not a criminal precedent. And they coming into Mexico. Actually...

BLITZER: Do Mexican police go around asking for papers of people they suspect are illegal immigrants?

CALDERON: Of course. Of course, in the border, we are asking the people, who are you?

And if they explain...

BLITZER: At the border, I understand, when they come in.

CALDERON: Yes.

BLITZER: But once they're in...

CALDERON: But not -- but not in -- if -- once they are inside the -- inside the country, what the Mexican police do is, of course, enforce the law. But by any means, immigration is a crime anymore in Mexico.

BLITZER: Immigration is not a crime, you're saying?

CALDERON: It's not a crime.

BLITZER: So in other words, if somebody sneaks in from Nicaragua or some other country in Central America, through the southern border of Mexico, they wind up in Mexico, they can go get a job...

CALDERON: No, no.

BLITZER: They can work.

CALDERON: If -- if somebody do that without permission, we send back -- we send back them.

BLITZER: You find them and you send them back?

CALDERON: Yes.

LOL @ the mexican president double standard.

I really dont understand the fuss about this law. especially since racial profilling is strictly forbidden in the law.

I also find it hilarious that good ol' Janet and Eric can publically critisize the law when and then turn around and admit they havent even read the darn law. typically liberal bs.

I have a much different view of illegal Mexicans in arizona than most all republicans do. I'm all for amnesty. But if the state wants to actually inforce the laws, I can see no problem with that either.

Guess what? The momentum is not anti-incumbent. It's anti-liberal, anti-taxes, anti-debt. The Dems are going to get pounded. Not 2-3 freshman seats. Big losses. You can bet on it.

The amount of racial profiling that would occur if your employer scenario was enacted would dwarf the supposed racial profiling that this law supposedly causes. For if you want to enforce draconian penalties for employers for hiring illegals, many will simply stop hiring anyone that remotely looks or talks like the stereotypical illegal. Not to mention that your typical business owner does not have any formal training in determining the authenticity of immigration documents. Having had plenty of experience in dealing with both legal and illegal documents, the ones that are being used nowdays all look good. It used to be fairly easy to seperate the bad ones from the good ones but even then unless the document was laughlingly fake (like spelling errors or signatures in crayon) legally we are not allowed to deny someone a job based on their documents.

i wasn't suggesting a 2-3 seat loss overall. that would be a liberal wet dream on par with your conservative wet dream. i was talking about 2-3 freshman seats in competitive districts where dems got elected on obama's coattail that'll probably go republican as a result of a vote cast in favor of healthcare. my point was that healthcare will be a non-issue outside of that small impact.

and so far as your take on the country's mood, what can i say? from your mouth to the republican congressional campaign committee's ear. i couldn't possibly hope for anything more.

they, unfortunately, probably noticed the pennsylvania special election tuesday where a dem was again elected in john murtha's anti-abortion, pro-gun district. the one that voted for john mccain in 2008.

if you live in a vacuum only getting news from sources that reinforce your opinion, you'll believe all the echoes must be reality. i won't try to convince you otherwise.

the election will be whatever it is. but your certainty over a result that's still almost 6 months off as well as the detailed reasons for that "red tsunami" is the kind of arrogance that costs seats.

yes a Dem who campaigned as an antiabortion, progun, anti healthcare bill, anti tax and trade Dem. Those kind of dems arent so bad if they actually govern as they campaigned. Of couse we all know how that goes...

At least the people of PA were smart enough to put Arlen out of our misery. Maybe Andy Reid will give him a job fetching donuts?

and sestak's a stronger candidate in november. i'm not predicting a slam dunk win because i don't own the same crystal ball joey has but i thought the senate primary was another positive for the dems in a swing state.

and there are plenty of anti-abortion, pro-gun dems, chuck. even anti-healthcare bill ones.

you're the party of strict ideological discipline. no one runs around yelling "dino" other than scuds.

LOL

Yours is the party of intellectual dishonesty and defeatism

Defeatism? Debatable.

The other part, however, was good for a huge lol here. Thanks, Chuck, I needed it on a busy day. The word Republican is essentially a synonym for intellectual dishonesty any way you cut it...you guys basically invented the term through habitual practice of it.

it's kind of hard to be intellectually dishonest when we argue amongst ourselves almost as much as we argue with republicans.

if you're uncomfortable with a broad spectrum of opinion's that differ from your own, the current incarnation of the republican party's for you. the abandonment of the center is almost complete.

it's a little harder being a democrat as you have to deal with the discomfort of being an actual center-left party with all the messy arguments that entails.

The Dems are just as bad. if you think otherwise remove the blinders.

Politican = intellectual dishonesty. doesnt matter the party.

Being a self-serving, likely lying sack of rocks doesn't necessarily make one intellectually dishonest....just dishonest. Different ballgames with different meanings that one party is absolutely EXCELLENT at while the other barely even knows how to get its feet wet.

This is SO true!

Chicago republicans are not republicans

at any rate can you give me a specific example of a conservative being dishonest. Being accused of a crime is not equal to being guilty of one.

I don't like getting into politics on horsie boards but gotta say, this is a great line.

nah. conservatives are never dishonest. if they are, you just dismiss them from the fraternity so they're not real conservatives anymore.

do you folks ever stop and listen to yourselves?

OK, I should say it's my prediction that the red tsunami is coming. You're correct in that nothing can be that certain 6 months in advance, or wherever hundreds of millions of individuals are involved.

2 incredibly blatant examples of Dems being intellectually dishonest:

When running for President in 2008, Obama said he was for the passage of the Armenian Genocide Resolution...LIAR

When running for President in 2008, Hillary said she was for the passage of the Armenian Genocide Resolution... LIAR


In 2010, they both turned rats, and begged Congress not to pass the Armenian Genocide Resolution... THREW ARMENIANS UNDER THE BUS

The reason given was that they thought it would hurt the negotiations going on to re-open the border between Turkey and Armenia. This is the biggest load of brown waste they could of served up. Believe me, they were INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST, because all involved knew that Turkey won't open the border until Armenia leaves the Nagorno-Karabakh area of Azerbaijan. Turkey has promised this, and Armenia won't leave on it's own. As you will now note, the talks are going nowhere, and they will continue that way.

This is not racial profiling. Everyone has to produce documents (not just Latinos.) If someone's English is as Ethier's is, then employers won't bother him. What it does is put an emphasis on English skills. Not just Latinos' English Skills. Anyone's English Skills. The only way to stop Illegal Immigration is for it to be painful to get caught. Since we don't seem willing to give the Illegals pain, the only alternative is to punish employers that break the law by hiring them. No Gold = No Gold Rush.

You guys are both unawares of the Arizona law (around for some time now) strictly prohibiting hiring of illegal immigrants, with tough sanctions and fines for doing so?

This is a National problem, and laws are only followed when they are enforced.

Rep. Tom McClintock - R/CA - response to Mexican President Calderon.:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JDo36xPYgE

The entire City of Chicago is an immigrant safe zone meaning Chicago cops, inspectors, social service workers etc. etc. are ordered not to question immigration status. Without enforcement there might as well be no law.

Incidentally the City of Chicago also saw fit to re-interpret the 2nd amendment outlawing a citizen from owning or possessing a handgun (even in their own residence). For that I HOPE they are severely punished very, very soon.

PS Il. Senator Roland Burris was found to have a gun in his house but wasn't punished after giving the excuse he didn't know it was there. An extra spoon or fork I can understand but forgetting you have a gun? Must be pretty gangsta' if that is true! :D

ya got me. Give yourself a standing ovation.

if they vote and act like democrats what am I supposed to do?
Just shrug and say, "they're all the same"?

No - I say dump the RINO and get someone else.

[quote=GBBob;649642]Yeah doddaly. I bet u guys were doddaly expecting this to happen back in late 2009 when Obama turned water to wine.

I thought is was hard to be a democrat because they are wrong about most things?

Funny that you call the right liars yet we all know where the right stands on virtually every issue. The left? What ever way the wind blows... (or polls say)

I am aware of federal laws that knowingly hire illegals. The onus is only on the business owner if he knows he is employing illegals. Proving that isnt so easy if he has accurately filled out I-9's.

honestly, i don't know why anyone concerns themselves at all about illegal immigrants. neither party wishes to do a damn thing about it. both sides benefit from illegals. the govt conceded that with illegals paying in, but not taking out of social security, is one reason the program remains solvent. as for them costing us with welfare and the like, i doubt many illegals ask for public aid, as the last thing they want or need is to let anyone know they're around. is it an issue? obviously? does anyone know how to fix the issue? doesn't appear to be the case.