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RockHardTen1985 05-01-2010 06:40 PM

Calvin Borel
 
GOAT? Maybe not, but dam.
How do they continue to let him ride the rail like this? You could make a living, A LIVING BETTING HIM AT CHURCHILL.

RockHardTen1985 05-01-2010 06:57 PM

Calvin just said he is winning the TRIPLE CROWN ON THIS HORSE.
What a legend.

2Hot4TV 05-01-2010 07:20 PM

Do you think Todd will give him some horses to ride in New York after Super Saver is done?

Todd was a smart man putting Calvin on his slop horse and Calvin did what he does every day. The only way Super Saver could of lost today was if Todd put Gomez in the saddle.

moses 05-01-2010 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 642545)
Calvin just said he is winning the TRIPLE CROWN ON THIS HORSE.
What a legend.

Haha. Not going to happen but that would be cool to see.

fpsoxfan 05-01-2010 07:47 PM

I didn't give this horse much consideration partly because I thought most were betting the jockey. Well, I'm fooled again. Good for him and Pletcher. I take my hat off to both of them. Calvin can ride this track.

AeWingnut 05-01-2010 07:49 PM

and I'm getting a toupe

Princess Doreen 05-01-2010 07:52 PM

The years I've seen Calvin at TOGA, he has not done well - at all. Best race last year was RAITCH. Other than that, I think he only won one other race.

He better not dismiss Ice Box in the Preakness. That was one hell of a race for that horse. Problem is, it may have taken a lot out of him because he was checked so many times and probably ran a furlong more to get to the
2nd place finish. Nonetheless, a very game horse and a masterful ride by Jose.

AeWingnut 05-01-2010 07:54 PM

I just heard Baffert say that Todd Pletcher needs to win a derby without Calvin Borel for it to count

I was thinking that

Coach Pants 05-01-2010 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut (Post 642640)
I just heard Baffert say that Todd Pletcher needs to win a derby without Calvin Borel for it to count

I was thinking that

And he needs to win a Derby and not look like a douche for it to count.

MISTERGEE 05-01-2010 08:01 PM

earliest pick for next years derby--whoever Borel is riding is the obvious pick. Either hes the greatest jock when it comes to CD or everyone else is afraid to go near him or his horse or the rail in the races hes in.

Merlinsky 05-01-2010 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut (Post 642640)
I just heard Baffert say that Todd Pletcher needs to win a derby without Calvin Borel for it to count

I was thinking that

It was fun seeing Lukas, Baffert, and Zito razzing him during that interview with Randy. I get how they can wish him the best and want him to keep that losing streak alive at the same time.

eajinabi 05-01-2010 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV (Post 642598)
Do you think Todd will give him some horses to ride in New York after Super Saver is done?

Todd was a smart man putting Calvin on his slop horse and Calvin did what he does every day. The only way Super Saver could of lost today was if Todd put Gomez in the saddle.

I think Pletcher will send more horses to CD now. Calvin at any other track, he is horrible but at CD he is king.

Coach Pants 05-01-2010 08:54 PM

Calvin could easily win 2 more. If he gets 5 then there is absolutely no way you can't say he's one of the best jockeys of all time.

Danzig 05-01-2010 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 642669)
Calvin could easily win 2 more. If he gets 5 then there is absolutely no way you can't say he's one of the best jockeys of all time.



wonder if he has his agent book him at belmont for some rides, unlike last year?
he's seemingly a go to jock on big days. and it's not just churchill, he kicks butt at oaklawn as well.

Coach Pants 05-01-2010 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 642670)
wonder if he has his agent book him at belmont for some rides, unlike last year?
he's seemingly a go to jock on big days. and it's not just churchill, he kicks butt at oaklawn as well.

It depends on Pletcher. You would think he'd throw a few Calvin's way this summer.

Danzig 05-01-2010 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sammy (Post 642680)
after the criticism he took from some people here and elsewhere for yesterday's R.A. loss, i'm glad he stuck it up their asses.


go calvin!

unfair criticism i feel. the horse may not be the same as she was, but the rider seems to be doing just fine. his gate to wire effort, and then the win with super saver...good for calvin.

actually, i don't think it's the horse. the owner has said he wants her to settle more early-yeah, cause that was such a bad tactic for her last year. :rolleyes:

clambeau 05-01-2010 11:02 PM

what that field needed was Victor Espinoza !!

RockHardTen1985 05-01-2010 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 642638)
The years I've seen Calvin at TOGA, he has not done well - at all. Best race last year was RAITCH. Other than that, I think he only won one other race.

He better not dismiss Ice Box in the Preakness. That was one hell of a race for that horse. Problem is, it may have taken a lot out of him because he was checked so many times and probably ran a furlong more to get to the
2nd place finish. Nonetheless, a very game horse and a masterful ride by Jose.

A few summers ago he won a few races... Street Sense, Warn and that filly who won the overnight Stakes and the Alabama, Lady something??

philcski 05-02-2010 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 642669)
Calvin could easily win 2 more. If he gets 5 then there is absolutely no way you can't say he's one of the best jockeys of all time.

The guy is incredible at CD. I don't know how anybody can deny that. He wins at an absurd percentage on horses that have no business winning (like that rat in the CDH... which I would have never used if it wasn't Borel.) He gave a masterful ride in the Derby AGAIN on Super Saver, who obviously figured on form. Drugs put up a statistic on his ROI in route races there and it was bananas good. Seriously- the guy is the best rider in the history of Churchill Downs. I usually don't care who rides a horse but I ALWAYS make sure of who he's got there.

MaTH716 05-02-2010 12:43 AM

I breezed through the NBC telecast and I thought I heard Pletcher say something to the extent of Calvin is a great jockey at other tracks as well, but he is 5 lengths better then everone else at Churchill.

Merlinsky 05-02-2010 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 642873)
I breezed through the NBC telecast and I thought I heard Pletcher say something to the extent of Calvin is a great jockey at other tracks as well, but he is 5 lengths better then everone else at Churchill.

I swear I've heard him say that before. Had a weird moment of deja vu. Maybe it wasn't even Todd that originated that idea of Calvin being 5 lengths better at Churchill. I don't suppose he could become BFFs with Pimlico and Belmont this time could he?

Danzig 05-02-2010 09:38 AM

you know, i shook my head a bit and said 'oh, calvin' when he said he was going to take the t.c. with this horse....


calvin, to quote forrest gump, isn't an educated man. but he's not a stupid man. he told another jock yesterday that he had learned from this horse in the second at oaklawn, namely that the horse could run off the pace. the other jock had expected him to be on/very near the lead yesterday, but calvin assured him that wasn't going to happen. calvin is a good rider, his ability to get rachel to relax when she enjoyed running off with exercise riders was noted more than once. he knows he made a premature move last year in new york. he won't do that again.

ought to be interesting. i'm not saying this horse will absolutely win the t.c., but he certainly has a shot, and he has the right rider. if he loses, it won't be calvins fault.

MaTH716 05-02-2010 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 642929)
you know, i shook my head a bit and said 'oh, calvin' when he said he was going to take the t.c. with this horse....


calvin, to quote forrest gump, isn't an educated man. but he's not a stupid man. he told another jock yesterday that he had learned from this horse in the second at oaklawn, namely that the horse could run off the pace. the other jock had expected him to be on/very near the lead yesterday, but calvin assured him that wasn't going to happen. calvin is a good rider, his ability to get rachel to relax when she enjoyed running off with exercise riders was noted more than once. he knows he made a premature move last year in new york. he won't do that again.

ought to be interesting. i'm not saying this horse will absolutely win the t.c., but he certainly has a shot, and he has the right rider. if he loses, it won't be calvins fault.

If he gets to the Belmont with a shot, maybe he should consider riding a couple of races just for s.hits and giggles.

Danzig 05-02-2010 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 642942)
If he gets to the Belmont with a shot, maybe he should consider riding a couple of races just for s.hits and giggles.

yeah, i asked that somewhere on here, if he'd ride in new york....but we shall see.

largo1 05-02-2010 10:43 AM

So,, why is it that Calvin is so successful riding the rail? Do other jocks just not try it? I can only imagine that it is scary to ride that close to the rail. I ride endurance horses and there is about a mile stretch of pines that we canter thru on our regular training trails. Its really twisty and you have to keep your legs tight or you will take out a knee. If not your whole damn leg. The horses love this stretch and always want to open up, adding to the excitement. I can't even tell you how much fun this is,,, but also somewhat nerve wracking. Wonder if hugging the rail is similar?

Riot 05-02-2010 03:04 PM

The thing I love about Calvin is that, like most of the other Cajun jocks, most seem to be horsemen. They've been race-riding since they were kids, they know how to figure out the horses mentally, pay attention to it, use it to their advantage.

somerfrost 05-02-2010 03:14 PM

Calvin is certainly in a league of his own at CD, I finally hit the Derby this year and he was the only reason I went with SS. Coming out of the #4 hole isn't the easiest trip but he handled the horse to perfection. Don't see this horse as good enough to end the TC drought but with Calvin he has a slight chance!

AeWingnut 05-02-2010 03:22 PM

better make room for another statue at CD

Coach Pants 05-02-2010 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 643069)
The thing I love about Calvin is that, like most of the other Cajun jocks, most seem to be horsemen. They've been race-riding since they were kids, they know how to figure out the horses mentally, pay attention to it, use it to their advantage.

So you're belittling him and talking down his achievements. You're just too dumb to know it.

Stick to the politics thread, wench.

skippy3481 05-02-2010 03:34 PM

Riding the rail is tough because you have no way out. If you go to loop the field from the oustide you can always go wider if neccessary. When your on the rail if a horse drops down to the rail your stuck. Horses arent like cars... if you break stride in the stretch 99% of the time you don't win.

Riot 05-02-2010 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 643083)
So you're belittling him and talking down his achievements. You're just too dumb to know it.

Stick to the politics thread, wench.

You can't be this big a moron. I was obviously complimenting Borel for being a skilled horseman.

And for the adults here, Borel clearly used earlier races to assess the rail. Anybody who watches him knows he's not a rail-only rider. He's just braver than most when he commits to that path.

Coach Pants 05-02-2010 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 643069)
The thing I love about Michael Jordan is that, like most of the other North Carolina high school basketball players, most seem to be good defenders. They've been defending since they were kids, they know how to figure out their opponent mentally, pay attention to it, use it to their advantage.


Do the math, you dumb c.unt.

You are the worst poster in DT history. You make PG look like Stephen Hawking.

Riot 05-02-2010 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 643089)
Do the math, you dumb c.unt.

You are the worst poster in DT history. You make PG look like Stephen Hawking.

One would think a person of average intelligence would just ignore or delete posts or posters they didn't like on a message board.

You constantly reveal yourself for exactly what you are, Coach :D

Coach Pants 05-02-2010 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 643093)
One would think a person of average intelligence would just ignore or delete posts or posters they didn't like on a message board.

You constantly reveal yourself for exactly what you are, Coach :D

You're a bitter old cow who is a failure in life and blames it on racism and living in the Lexington area when the reality is you're just a delusional narcissist who isn't good at her profession. That's why no one has heard of you. Not because of what you look like. It's because of what you are. You are nothing more than human garbage.

Keep hanging on at Keeneland sales pretending to be something you'll never be.

Riot 05-02-2010 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 643097)
You're a bitter old cow who is a failure in life and blames it on racism and living in the Lexington area when the reality is you're just a delusional narcissist who isn't good at her profession. That's why no one has heard of you. Not because of what you look like. It's because of what you are. You are nothing more than human garbage.

Keep hanging on at Keeneland sales pretending to be something you'll never be.

You have mental problems, don't you?

Coach Pants 05-02-2010 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 643101)
You have mental problems, don't you?

Says the lady who claims she's being abused on a message board.

Riot 05-02-2010 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 643104)
Says the lady who claims she's being abused on a message board.

I've not said that. What I have said is that you're nothing but an unintelligent little pissant. Go away and bother someone else, little man.

Coach Pants 05-02-2010 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 643107)
I've not said that. What I have said is that you're nothing but an unintelligent little pissant. Go away and bother someone else, little man.

Says the woman who compared Calvin Borel to most jockeys in an area in Louisiana after winning his 3rd Kentucky Derby...cuz yanno, most jockeys from that part of Louisiana can win 3 derbies because of some magical stuff in that area that makes them communicate with horses differently than other parts of the world.

Oaklawnfan 05-02-2010 06:57 PM

Calvin is more in the zone than I have ever seen him. Look at his interviews. He's stepped up to serious business. He made us enjoy a wonderful experience of ownership in this game and that's what makes him special. It doesn't make a difference if you've got a low level claimer or a Triple Crown nominee, he's there early in the morning for the work. I am so glad he could hand Todd his first Derby. I just hope they can continue a relationship. It wouldn't be a bad deal


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