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DaTruth 04-25-2010 04:21 PM

Zenyatta's travel plans
 
Left unresolved is the effect the Rockies will have on Zardana.

<< Shireffs said Zenyatta may not be sent to a race in the East for several months, preferring to campaign her in California for her next start.

"For us to ship, it's so much different," Shirreffs said. "We have to ship across the Rockies. It's so much different out here than going up and down the East Coast.

"Why put her on the plane to run in another handicap?" Shirreffs said.>>

http://www.drf.com/news/article/112480.html

northeastbound123 04-25-2010 04:25 PM

Think he only wanted Rachel of the bench?

ateamstupid 04-25-2010 04:27 PM

Now I've heard everything. The immortal Zenyatta can be disrupted by flying (in a plane, even though she's basically a full sis to Pegasus) over mountains.

10 pnt move up 04-25-2010 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by northeastbound123 (Post 639579)
Think he only wanted Rachel of the bench?

What, the AP was going to be RA's second race..........

I think they only wanted to ship to face RA though

Danzig 04-25-2010 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by northeastbound123 (Post 639579)
Think he only wanted Rachel of the bench?

yep

DaTruth 04-25-2010 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by northeastbound123 (Post 639579)
Think he only wanted Rachel of the bench?

I think they only wanted to face RA one time, and that one time being the Apple Blossom. What many often forget is that Jackson turned down the Apple Blossom at first, but then he had to agree to the race and save face when Cella moved the AB back a week.

If RA wins big on Friday and then points to the Foster, there will be a lot of pressure on the z camp to run in the Foster.

With all the media attention focused on CD for the Derby and Oaks, it is a shame that RA and Z are not meeting in the La Troienne.

Danzig 04-25-2010 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 639585)
I think they only wanted to face RA one time, and that one time being the Apple Blossom. What many often forget is that Jackson turned down the Apple Blossom at first, but then he had to agree to the race and save face when Cella moved the AB back a week.

If RA wins big on Friday and then points to the Foster, there will be a lot of pressure on the z camp to run in the Foster.

With all the media attention focused on CD for the Derby and Oaks, it is a shame that RA and Z are not meeting in the La Troienne.

and i also think they wanted the apple blossom because they knew the rachel camp would be up against it trying to get her ready to go-and they were right. they got a bit brave with zenyatta, running her in the bc, and then pointing for the apple blossom. now she's extended her streak, and i really think they'll do what they can to keep that going. after she breaks pepper's pride's record (here's hoping she does, eh miraja?? ;)) then maybe they'll ship again.

northeastbound123 04-25-2010 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 639581)
What, the AP was going to be RA's second race..........

I think they only wanted to ship to face RA though

The New Orleans was forced to try to get her fit for the Apple Blossom in my opinion.

TitanSooner 04-25-2010 06:52 PM

make it stop

letswastemoney 04-25-2010 06:56 PM

Shirreff's logic just seems bizarre sometimes, considering Zardana is being shipped to Churchill right after running at FG.

NTamm1215 04-25-2010 07:02 PM

There's really no mystery here, they're not going to run outside of CA until the BC. They value the 17 for 17 mark, know that they can't possibly be beaten in CA and could potentially show up at CD 19 for 19.

After the HOL meet they'll talk about how they're CA people and they have to run at Dmr. They'll run in that joke of a race that she almost lost, skip the Pacific Classic, run in the race named for her, which will be another 3 hr. SA fellatio, then decide to show up at CD. All the while her adoring fans will be discussing how if she wins the BC Classic she'll be the best horse ever and there'll be endless arguments on this and every other message board about whether the Moss' did this to campaign their magnificent mare once again or to feed their own egos or both.

NT

10 pnt move up 04-25-2010 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 639666)
There's really no mystery here, they're not going to run outside of CA until the BC. They value the 17 for 17 mark, know that they can't possibly be beaten in CA and could potentially show up at CD 19 for 19.

After the HOL meet they'll talk about how they're CA people and they have to run at Dmr. They'll run in that joke of a race that she almost lost, skip the Pacific Classic, run in the race named for her, which will be another 3 hr. SA fellatio, then decide to show up at CD. All the while her adoring fans will be discussing how if she wins the BC Classic she'll be the best horse ever and there'll be endless arguments on this and every other message board about whether the Moss' did this to campaign their magnificent mare once again or to feed their own egos or both.

NT

your close but she wont run at Del Mar in any race, in fact I bet she stays and trains at HP.

the_fat_man 04-25-2010 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 639666)
There's really no mystery here,

That much is correct.

Fact:

Reigning Horse of the Year has chance to show up for last year's BC.
Reigning Horse of the Year has chance to show up for the AB.
Reigning Horse of the Year's connection **** their pants in both cases and DUCKED Zenyatta. They've since STFU.

The DRF/BEYERites haven't and they continue the childish spin. You can't change the facts. :rolleyes:

10 pnt move up 04-25-2010 07:32 PM

Interesting, now TVG says Shirreffs contradicts earlier report and nothing has been decided.

AeWingnut 04-25-2010 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TitanSooner (Post 639656)
make it stop

:tro:

AeWingnut 04-25-2010 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 639672)
That much is correct.

Fact:

Reigning Horse of the Year has chance to show up for last year's BC.
Reigning Horse of the Year has chance to show up for the AB.
Reigning Horse of the Year's connection **** their pants in both cases and DUCKED Zenyatta. They've since STFU.

The DRF/BEYERites haven't and they continue the childish spin. You can't change the facts. :rolleyes:

things you omitted

RA had a longer campaign and was done before the BC Plastic
RA had a chance to show up but not 100% Assmussen doesn't have 'em ready to fire off the bench.

ducking Zenyatta or synthetics

Zenyatta has flown to Churchill before
why does the flight matter now?

Duvalier 04-25-2010 08:03 PM

Can't wait for all of Jess "The Great Sportsman" Jackson's press conferences going forward. I'm sure he'll pick the ideal spots and times for Zenyatta to race...he'll map out a plan for John Shirreffs and the Mosses.

2Hot4TV 04-25-2010 09:29 PM

Zenyatta has flown to Churchill before
why does the flight matter now?


It's a Zenyatta camp mind trick so she can show up at the last minute and Jackson wont have a chance to scratch.:zz:

ateamstupid 04-25-2010 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV (Post 639727)
Zenyatta has flown to Churchill before
why does the flight matter now?


It's a Zenyatta camp mind trick so she can show up at the last minute and Jackson wont have a chance to scratch.:zz:

Who killed JFK?

GBBob 04-25-2010 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 639742)
Who killed JFK?

Jess Jackson

duh

zippyneedsawin 04-25-2010 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 639672)
That much is correct.

Fact:

Reigning Horse of the Year has chance to show up for last year's BC.
Reigning Horse of the Year has chance to show up for the AB.
Reigning Horse of the Year's connection **** their pants in both cases and DUCKED Zenyatta. They've since STFU.

The DRF/BEYERites haven't and they continue the childish spin. You can't change the facts. :rolleyes:

You're right. You can't change the fact that Rachel Alexandra is the reigning Horse of the Year.

parsixfarms 04-25-2010 11:41 PM

There is no reason for them to announce that they are running in the Vanity this far out. They could have at least waited to see what happens at Churchill this weekend before squelching any Foster talk.

Left Bank 04-25-2010 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 639578)
Left unresolved is the effect the Rockies will have on Zardana.

<< Shireffs said Zenyatta may not be sent to a race in the East for several months, preferring to campaign her in California for her next start.

"For us to ship, it's so much different," Shirreffs said. "We have to ship across the Rockies. It's so much different out here than going up and down the East Coast.

"Why put her on the plane to run in another handicap?" Shirreffs said.>>

http://www.drf.com/news/article/112480.html

"
She has gone over the Rockies twice now,so there is no "Effect" on her that is unresolved.

prudery 04-25-2010 11:58 PM

Shirreffs called TVG and said nothing is written in stone as yet for the Vanity.

That is a fact .

The press is always accurate about everything--that is not a fact.

Rachel was HOY in 2009--that is a fact .

She is not HOY now--no one is--also a fact .

Zenyatta will run in June--that is most likely a fact .

As Rachel will run Friday--also most likely a fact .

Last year is over--should be a fact ...

DaTruth 04-26-2010 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Left Bank (Post 639782)
"
She has gone over the Rockies twice now,so there is no "Effect" on her that is unresolved.

Perhaps you are underestimating the obstacle presented by the Rockies. We will better understand their effect when Zardana, like her more accomplished stablemate, crosses them for a third time.

2Hot4TV 04-26-2010 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 639742)
Who killed JFK?

Zardana:p

Princess Doreen 04-26-2010 11:07 AM

This pretty much sums up my opinion -

Pretty much sums up my opinion on the issue.

http://www.wkyt.com/blogs/trackside/92083084.html

Sorry to see in today's Daily Racing Form that Zenyatta will run in the Vanity Handicap at Hollywood Park in her next start rather than come to Churchill Downs and challenge the boys in the Stephen Foster.

Both Rachel Alexandra and Zenyatta were deserving candidates for Horse of the Year in 2009, but to me, the scales tipped in Rachel's favor because she took the path of least resistance less often, shipping around the country, racing against males three times and the last being against older males. To put it in basketball terms, Rachel scored her biggest wins on the road while Zenyatta's came at home.

If the owners of Zenyatta--who are to be saluted for keeping her in training by the way--want her to get her full due, then they need to take their chances on a few more tough road games this year.

Left Bank 04-26-2010 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 639784)
Perhaps you are underestimating the obstacle presented by the Rockies. We will better understand their effect when Zardana, like her more accomplished stablemate, crosses them for a third time.

You'll probably be waiting a long time,Fool.

jms62 04-26-2010 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 639666)
There's really no mystery here, they're not going to run outside of CA until the BC. They value the 17 for 17 mark, know that they can't possibly be beaten in CA and could potentially show up at CD 19 for 19.

After the HOL meet they'll talk about how they're CA people and they have to run at Dmr. They'll run in that joke of a race that she almost lost, skip the Pacific Classic, run in the race named for her, which will be another 3 hr. SA fellatio, then decide to show up at CD. All the while her adoring fans will be discussing how if she wins the BC Classic she'll be the best horse ever and there'll be endless arguments on this and every other message board about whether the Moss' did this to campaign their magnificent mare once again or to feed their own egos or both.

NT

Best Line ever.


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