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NTamm1215 04-20-2010 09:36 PM

Zenyatta likely to the Vanity
 
From Brad Free's article today:

"John Shirreffs did not confirm Zenyatta for the Vanity, but he and owners Jerry and Ann Moss may be leaning that way.

"We'll see what the weights are for the Vanity and go from there," Shirreffs said. "This is a place we like to run - we have to play at home some of the time."

Zenyatta, who has been based at Hollywood throughout her career, looks magnificent physically. When she returned to training last week after winning the Apple Blossom on April 9 at Oaklawn, the 6-year-old was dappled and full of energy. Zenyatta would be seeking her 17th consecutive victory in the Vanity, a race she won the last two years. A Zenyatta bobble-head giveaway is scheduled for Vanity day, June 13."

http://www.drf.com/news/article/112294.html

NT

randallscott35 04-20-2010 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 637722)
From Brad Free's article today:

"John Shirreffs did not confirm Zenyatta for the Vanity, but he and owners Jerry and Ann Moss may be leaning that way.

"We'll see what the weights are for the Vanity and go from there," Shirreffs said. "This is a place we like to run - we have to play at home some of the time."

Zenyatta, who has been based at Hollywood throughout her career, looks magnificent physically. When she returned to training last week after winning the Apple Blossom on April 9 at Oaklawn, the 6-year-old was dappled and full of energy. Zenyatta would be seeking her 17th consecutive victory in the Vanity, a race she won the last two years. A Zenyatta bobble-head giveaway is scheduled for Vanity day, June 13."

http://www.drf.com/news/article/112294.html

NT

Well you have played at home nearly all of the time actually.

Danzig 04-20-2010 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 637722)
From Brad Free's article today:

"John Shirreffs did not confirm Zenyatta for the Vanity, but he and owners Jerry and Ann Moss may be leaning that way.

"We'll see what the weights are for the Vanity and go from there," Shirreffs said. "This is a place we like to run - we have to play at home some of the time."
Zenyatta, who has been based at Hollywood throughout her career, looks magnificent physically. When she returned to training last week after winning the Apple Blossom on April 9 at Oaklawn, the 6-year-old was dappled and full of energy. Zenyatta would be seeking her 17th consecutive victory in the Vanity, a race she won the last two years. A Zenyatta bobble-head giveaway is scheduled for Vanity day, June 13."

http://www.drf.com/news/article/112294.html

NT

:rolleyes:

i thought they planned new things for her, for the fans?

ateamstupid 04-20-2010 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 637722)
From Brad Free's article today:

"John Shirreffs did not confirm Zenyatta for the Vanity, but he and owners Jerry and Ann Moss may be leaning that way.

"We'll see what the weights are for the Vanity and go from there," Shirreffs said. "This is a place we like to run - we have to play at home some of the time."

Zenyatta, who has been based at Hollywood throughout her career, looks magnificent physically. When she returned to training last week after winning the Apple Blossom on April 9 at Oaklawn, the 6-year-old was dappled and full of energy. Zenyatta would be seeking her 17th consecutive victory in the Vanity, a race she won the last two years. A Zenyatta bobble-head giveaway is scheduled for Vanity day, June 13."

http://www.drf.com/news/article/112294.html

NT

What a clown. Yeah, that freaking globetrotter has to play in front of the home folks once in a while!

Port Conway Lane 04-20-2010 10:49 PM

"John Shirreffs did not confirm Zenyatta for the Vanity, but he and owners Jerry and Ann Moss may be leaning that way.

"We'll see what the weights are for the Vanity and go from there," Shirreffs said. "This is a place we like to run - we have to play at home some of the time."
Zenyatta, who has been based at Hollywood throughout her career, looks magnificent physically. When she returned to training last week after winning the Apple Blossom on April 9 at Oaklawn, the 6-year-old was dappled and full of energy. Zenyatta would be seeking her 17th consecutive victory in the Vanity, a race she won the last two years. A Zenyatta bobble-head giveaway is scheduled for Vanity day, June 13."

In the context of the article the statement is correct. I doubt he intended to imply Zenyatta was a world traveller of any sort or pretending that her recent trip to Oaklawn was proof of her adaptability to a variety of different race tracks.

To him, and at least to Zenyatta, Hollywood Park is home.

brianwspencer 04-20-2010 10:51 PM

Someone get me a fainting couch!

Merlinsky 04-20-2010 10:55 PM

There needs to be a bulletin sent out--we have a dapple-sighting! :)

Who else is looking at the Vanity?

Indian Charlie 04-20-2010 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merlinsky (Post 637733)
There needs to be a bulletin sent out--we have a dapple-sighting! :)

Who else is looking at the Vanity?

Names won't matter.

It will be more of the same soft serve as usual.

letswastemoney 04-21-2010 01:28 AM

If she's going to play at home all year,

then I hope Quality Road goes undefeated and wins Horse of the Year.

letswastemoney 04-21-2010 01:30 AM

"A Zenyatta bobble-head giveaway is scheduled for Vanity day, June 13."

Is that why they're staying home? lol

zippyneedsawin 04-21-2010 03:42 AM

They could at least run her against males if they're going to keep her in Cali for the next start.

RolloTomasi 04-21-2010 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin (Post 637746)
They could at least run her against males if they're going to keep her in Cali for the next start.

I think they're more concerned with winning 17 consecutive races and scratching track management's back by running on the same day as the Zenyatta bobble-head giveaway (which makes this "possible next start" a near certainty).

Let's see if track management scratches Zenyatta's back in return. My guess is, the one of the bobble-heads will weigh more than Zenyatta's saddle...

zippyneedsawin 04-21-2010 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 637747)
I think they're more concerned with winning 17 consecutive races and scratching track management's back by running on the same day as the Zenyatta bobble-head giveaway (which makes this "possible next start" a near certainty).

Let's see if track management scratches Zenyatta's back in return. My guess is, the one of the bobble-heads will weigh more than Zenyatta's saddle...

I think you're right.

2Hot4TV 04-21-2010 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by letswastemoney (Post 637744)
If she's going to play at home all year,

then I hope Quality Road goes undefeated and wins Horse of the Year.

I'll bet you're a Giant fan, or should I say a Dodger hater.

TouchOfGrey 04-21-2010 07:52 AM

This would be, what...her third time running this race? Don't her people have any imagination?

slotdirt 04-21-2010 08:16 AM

Maybe Anabaa's Creation is available to get beat by a dirty nose?

smuthg 04-21-2010 08:42 AM

why run in the Foster?? No Rachel or Quality Road... Plus, I think the folks at Hollywood deserve to see her run more time. I don't see any way they run her at DelMar, so I think its logical to get a start at Hollywood, then ship to New York or Monmouth over the summer, one last start at Santa Anita, and then the Breeders' Cup.

Smooth Operator 04-21-2010 08:47 AM

Would've been nice to see the champ in that Foster. Perhaps there's still a chance if the Alexander filly can get her act together and finally win a race soon. Then maybe CD will try to lure them to that open contest.

At any rate, can't blame the connections for wanting to give her a shot at breaking the record at home.


17-0 … immortal :tro:

slotdirt 04-21-2010 08:56 AM

I don't know, all signs point to Rachel giving the La Troienne a go next weekend. At least that's my bet if I were a betting man and all.

ETA - sorry, not the La Troienne, but that CD handicap or whatever it's called that Zenyatta scratched out of last year.

Dunbar 04-21-2010 09:22 AM

"We'll see what the weights are for the Vanity and go from there," Shirreffs said.

What I'm wondering is how little weight Hollywood can assign Zenyatta without completely embarassing themselves. Talk about conflict of interest. If they assign anything approaching a fair weight, they risk halving their attendance fig.

--Dunbar

PeteMugg 04-21-2010 03:28 PM

Hey, it's only her seventh race at Hollywood.

It's not like she ran ten of thirteen at Belmont.

ateamstupid 04-21-2010 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 637793)
I don't know, all signs point to Rachel giving the La Troienne a go next weekend. At least that's my bet if I were a betting man and all.

ETA - sorry, not the La Troienne, but that CD handicap or whatever it's called that Zenyatta scratched out of last year.

The Louisville BC/Distaff. The race Zenyatta ducked because Shirreffs didn't want to face One Caroline and a potential wet track.

the_fat_man 04-21-2010 05:30 PM

Didn't DUCK the BC and didn't DUCK the AB.

But the point is certainly well made/taken.:rolleyes:

ateamstupid 04-21-2010 06:20 PM

Yes, if there's one thing Zenyatta will be remembered for, it's taking on all possible comers at every possible venue. I still haven't heard an excuse for that chickenshit move at Churchill.

Indian Charlie 04-21-2010 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 637942)
Yes, if there's one thing Zenyatta will be remembered for, it's taking on all possible comers at every possible venue. I still haven't heard an excuse for that chickenshit move at Churchill.

Why do you even bother responding to him?

smuthg 04-21-2010 07:39 PM

yeah, I think everyone would run a priceless, undefeated champion mare on wet track off a 6 month layoff... what a bunch of pu$$ies! here's some summer's eve for you Jerry Moss!

ateamstupid 04-21-2010 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smuthg (Post 637956)
yeah, I think everyone would run a priceless, undefeated champion mare on wet track off a 6 month layoff... what a bunch of pu$$ies! here's some summer's eve for you Jerry Moss!

Oh no! A wet track! Surely no priceless champion super incredible awesome horse has ever navigated one of those!

Danzig 04-21-2010 07:43 PM

i'm pretty sure that personal ensign, a priceless, undefeated champion mare ran on an off track. of course, that wasn't off a layoff....

smuthg 04-21-2010 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 637957)
Oh no! A wet track! Surely no priceless champion super incredible awesome horse has ever navigated one of those!

I'm just saying, off a 6 month layoff, would you put her out? Do I think she would have lost; no... Do I blame them for not running her; no... none of their "goals" for her lived or died with scratching out of that race.

GBBob 04-21-2010 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smuthg (Post 637960)
I'm just saying, off a 6 month layoff, would you put her out? Do I think she would have lost; no... Do I blame them for not running her; no... none of their "goals" for her lived or died with scratching out of that race.

It's more the fact that when Z passes on a race it's a smart move, but when RA passes she is a p*ssy....some hypocricy from the Z fans I think

ateamstupid 04-21-2010 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smuthg (Post 637960)
I'm just saying, off a 6 month layoff, would you put her out? Do I think she would have lost; no... Do I blame them for not running her; no... none of their "goals" for her lived or died with scratching out of that race.

Yes, I would have run her. It wasn't a freaking monsoon. FFS, the track was labeled 'good' by post time.

smuthg 04-21-2010 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 637961)
It's more the fact that when Z passes on a race it's a smart move, but when RA passes she is a p*ssy....some hypocricy from the Z fans I think

I'm a FAN of both, so I don't want to be put in either camp... The "undefeated" streak is something that can't be taken lightly. Again, nothing against Rachel, but I think Jess thought she was unbeatable (much like he does/did with Curlin) and never envisioned that his horse off a 7 month layoff wouldn't be the "same". There were alot of peple who thought Z was "lame" or "amiss" this time last year; clearly z wasn't and neither RA is this year, so let's just hope we see them both on the track for the rest of 2010 and hopefullly in the B/C Classic (regardless of path).

westcoastinvader 04-21-2010 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smuthg (Post 637965)
I'm a FAN of both, so I don't want to be put in either camp... The "undefeated" streak is something that can't be taken lightly. Again, nothing against Rachel, but I think Jess thought she was unbeatable (much like he does/did with Curlin) and never envisioned that his horse off a 7 month layoff wouldn't be the "same". There were alot of peple who thought Z was "lame" or "amiss" this time last year; clearly z wasn't and neither RA is this year, so let's just hope we see them both on the track for the rest of 2010 and hopefullly in the B/C Classic (regardless of path).

Hear hear!

(wine glass in hand)

(I woke up with it this morning.... :)....)

ateamstupid 04-21-2010 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smuthg (Post 637965)
I'm a FAN of both, so I don't want to be put in either camp... The "undefeated" streak is something that can't be taken lightly. Again, nothing against Rachel, but I think Jess thought she was unbeatable (much like he does/did with Curlin) and never envisioned that his horse off a 7 month layoff wouldn't be the "same". There were alot of peple who thought Z was "lame" or "amiss" this time last year; clearly z wasn't and neither RA is this year, so let's just hope we see them both on the track for the rest of 2010 and hopefullly in the B/C Classic (regardless of path).

I'd be interested to know how many racing fans really care about her being undefeated. I'm not talking about the Zenstapo who cling to her record as some sort of proof that she's an all-time great, I'm talking about people who have no dog in the fight. I think seeing her actually take on the best competition race in and race out would earn her more respect and admiration (even if she suffered some losses) than hanging out in her backyard and beating the same listed stakes horses all year does.

dalakhani 04-21-2010 10:04 PM

If they put out a bet that this would be her last race, I would take it. Just an out in left field hunch.

smuthg 04-21-2010 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 638025)
I'd be interested to know how many racing fans really care about her being undefeated. I'm not talking about the Zenstapo who cling to her record as some sort of proof that she's an all-time great, I'm talking about people who have no dog in the fight. I think seeing her actually take on the best competition race in and race out would earn her more respect and admiration (even if she suffered some losses) than hanging out in her backyard and beating the same listed stakes horses all year does.

Where is her best competition... One is running in the Met Mile and the other at Churchill on Oaks day. Do we really need to see her run by Macho Again or Mind That Bird? If you want, want I want, you want to see Quality Road, Rachel and Zenyatta in the starting gate for the Classic. Everything else is a "prep"...

Port Conway Lane 04-21-2010 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 638025)
I'd be interested to know how many racing fans really care about her being undefeated. I'm not talking about the Zenstapo who cling to her record as some sort of proof that she's an all-time great, I'm talking about people who have no dog in the fight. I think seeing her actually take on the best competition race in and race out would earn her more respect and admiration (even if she suffered some losses) than hanging out in her backyard and beating the same listed stakes horses all year does.

No doubt about it. In another sense I think she risks more by running against
so called patsies in California because if she loses to them it is a larger blemish on her record.
I would love to see her stay undefeated and run against the best. No one has control over where she runs except the connections and wherever it is I'll be rooting.
People don't need to hold on to her record as any "proof" that she's an all time great. She already is.

letswastemoney 04-21-2010 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smuthg (Post 638035)
Where is her best competition... One is running in the Met Mile and the other at Churchill on Oaks day. Do we really need to see her run by Macho Again or Mind That Bird? If you want, want I want, you want to see Quality Road, Rachel and Zenyatta in the starting gate for the Classic. Everything else is a "prep"...

Who knows if they'll even last that long. Might as well run against each other now while the horses are injury-free.

PeteMugg 04-22-2010 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 637959)
i'm pretty sure that personal ensign, a priceless, undefeated champion mare ran on an off track. of course, that wasn't off a layoff....

But ten of thirteen were at Belmont. I don't recall any knock on PE for not touring the country. Not knocking her, in fact I was a huge fan and caught her BC win at Churchill. But you have to admit Belmont is a surface that some horses thrive on and she did most of her damage there.

ateamstupid 04-22-2010 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane (Post 638037)
No doubt about it. In another sense I think she risks more by running against
so called patsies in California because if she loses to them it is a larger blemish on her record.
I would love to see her stay undefeated and run against the best. No one has control over where she runs except the connections and wherever it is I'll be rooting.
People don't need to hold on to her record as any "proof" that she's an all time great. She already is.

I disagree, and it's for that specific reason.


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