Trappe Shot
 

I don't know how good he is because he's dusted only Florida -breds twice in a row, but this colt just won by about 13 lengths at Gulfstream. McLaughlin said prior to the race that he'd aim for the Withers if all went well. He's a fast horse.

I have really been following this horse since he worked at the FT sale last May at Timonium.
He has a load of talent, looks like he could be this years Bernardini.
It looks like he is taking the same route to the summer classics.

I think his original name was Tashop, which I hated; I like Trappe Shot much better. That said, I hope he does not point for the Preakness...

Why, Betsy?

I tend to be conservative. You referenced Bernardini - I loved Bernardini. I love this horse as well, but I don't think he's another Bernardini. I knew Miner's Reserve shouldn't have run yesterday and I was right. Why push Trappe Shot?

So where would you run him?

I think they have been conservative enough this winter, with the Fla state breds.

My dear, please, these are not lawn ornaments, these are racehorses. Granted, he'll still be eligible for an open N1X but what do you think they should do, try and clear a N1X then run against older horses in a N2X? If not the Preakness then would you be happier with a Derby Trial-Woody Stephens type progression?

NT

Well, first let him win the Withers first. After that, I don't know - I find it hard to believe that the Preakness is the only race he could be pointed at.

Ok, so race him - I never said not to. He may not even win the Withers, so this could all be moot. I don't have any clue where Trappe Shot could run besides the Preakness, but there have to be other races where he could avoid the big guns. By the way, I am glad Zito is running Fly Down in the Louisiana Derby. Unlike Miner's Reserve, who was coming off a maiden win (and who Zito changed course with on the spur of the moment), this horse has already won twice around 2 turns and ran a really nice race last out. I don't think Nick is pushing this horse, but I think he pushed Miner's Reserve. I would prefer to see Trappe Shot not be thrown to the wolves the same way.

You make Mike Huckabee look like Al Franken.

LOL Maybe so. Well, it turned out well for Miner's Reserve, did it not? He finished next to last. On the other hand, to be fair to Zito, perhaps it turned out that way because the colt's maiden win was a fraud rather than it being a bad decision on Zito's part.

What exactly would you do with Trappe Shot since you think I'm being overly conservative? It's not like this horse wowed anyone on this board; when he broke his maiden and then after today, no one posted about him. If you guys all think he's talented enough to point to the Preakness, then why am I the first to mention him?

I would run him in the Withers, then cut back and take the Woody Stephens and then go from there.... Just me. Maybe point towards the Jim Dandy-Travers, I would just skip the Triple Crown at this point.

It's a wonder that fellas like Zito and McLaughlin win Classic races.

Since you didn't post about the colt's performance, I'm assuming you weren't impressed. In that case, I'm also assuming you think it would be a bad move to go to the Preakness. Instead of making a snarky comment, you could try and explain why going to the Preakness would be a good idea. I won't hold my breath waiting, though. You also failed to comment about Miner's Reserve's performance. Tell me again how it was a good idea to run him yesterday?

That sounds ok by me; I think he's more of a sprinter/miler anyway.

You're crazy, you know that right?

Actually, from the pre-race interview, it seemed as though the genius Kent Desormeaux went over Zito's head and talked the owner into running (one can imagine Big Brown's name being invoked in that phone call). Zito, who didn't seem too pleased telling the story (he said Desormeaux was "politicing"), likely had little to do with it, and ended up with a black spot on his otherwise big day.

Of course, Desormeaux pulled out all the stops to make himself look smart, taking the colt wide into the turn while restraining the colt early, disarming his best weapon, his early speed.

Don't be surpised to see a new jockey on next time out.

This is a classic distance horse.

His Half sis...Miss Shop (by Deputy Minister) won a G1 at Saratoga going 10f.
His half brother...Looking around (by Crafty prospector) ran his 2 best beyers by far when he was finally stretched out to 9f.

Of course with ALL the sprinters Tapit is throwing, I see your point...:rolleyes:

My suggestion was as a start, after those 2 races he would still only have 5 career starts and some bottom for races like the Jim Dandy and Travers. I know his pedigree and it is distance.

Looks the part
 

Photo of Trappe Shot by Loise Reinagel

If his pedigree is distance, wouldn't the Belmont be a good target?

[quote=RolloTomasi]Actually, from the pre-race interview, it seemed as though the genius Kent Desormeaux went over Zito's head and talked the owner into running (one can imagine Big Brown's name being invoked in that phone call). Zito, who didn't seem too pleased telling the story (he said Desormeaux was "politicing"), likely had little to do with it, and ended up with a black spot on his otherwise big day.

I read multiple quotes from Zito, Desormeaux and LaPenta in which all stated that the jock convinced the owner to run Miner's Reserve. I believe one Zito statement was something like, "I had other plans for the horse."

Kent needs to stick to riding and LaPenta needs to listen to his Hall of Fame trainer.

Admit it, you guys only like Trappe Shot because you watched him on Trips&Traps after his debut.

Oh yeah, Ice Box made an appearance as well after his debut.

Clearly, you have an affinity for all things Pulpit.

What do you think of Sky Mesa as a sire?

I think he's overrated, what do you think? LOL

I love Indy and yes, I love Pulpit; he was a brilliant horse.

I've been told that by several people, lol......

[quote=Monarchos1]Blame Nick, as he was the one who allowed himself to get talked into it, if you're going to blame anyone.

I'm sorry to say I missed it that day....

Just be sure to credit him for the fine job he did bringing Ice Box along slowly and deliberately to his Florida Derby victory.

It's an imperfect world and you can't please all the people all the time.

He was really high on this horse, I think he called him a future star.

The second race shown.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBsko...EB24C&index=42

WHat are you sitting on? In this episode your a few inches taller then Eric. This cant be possible.

The 3rd race covered in this segment includes Ice Box ( among others )


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz4VF...EB24C&index=43

I thought the same thing. I must have been standing.....and he must have been kneeling. He's like a foot taller than me.

I love you andy but I fail to see how a talk about a trip in August has any bearing on betting the horse in the FLA Derby at 20-1. In fact none...The good call was made by hooves who pointed out the middle move die out on a speed favoring track....To me the trip or trap is good for about the next betting race and that's it.

I think Ice Box is more of a product of the worst Florida Derby group in how many years? If the big horse was in there, Zayat actually runs him, he wins for fun and Ice Box clunks for second and no one is talking about him.

I never claimed to have made any brilliant declarations about Ice Box....just that I mentioned him.

I am a bit embarrassed about the major predictions from that race.....I've Got the Fever didn't turn out to be much and that doesn't make up for the two other horses pointed out that won their next starts at 7:2 and 10:1. And forget about how many times I said the race was better than the Beyer figure ( it was eventually raised 9 points ) and predicted it would be a very productive race ( I guess Ice Box is superfluous to that as well ).

I don't blow my own horn.....but I will if you like.

He deserves that, absolutely. I like Nick, I just disagreed with the move. On the other hand, I love that he's taking Fly Down to the LA Derby no matter how it works out.

This is the first time I've seen his debut; I had no idea he broke that badly. He did show a terrific turn of foot after that break - a very forward-thinking Trips and Taps because he is awfully talented. I'm going to try and go to Belmont for the Withers.

You'll be lonely.

It's at Aqueduct.