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videogirl10 08-21-2006 12:30 PM

declan's moon
 
has there been anything said about what happened to him yesterday? did he bleed..or did he get hurt?

Seattleallstar 08-21-2006 12:37 PM

Burned money thats for sure, all the money I keep scrounging up gamble is lost on stupid horses i bet on

Rupert Pupkin 08-21-2006 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by videogirl10
has there been anything said about what happened to him yesterday? did he bleed..or did he get hurt?

Yes, I talked about it in the Pat O' Brien thread. They think DM has a lung infection.

Bold Brooklynite 08-21-2006 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
Yes, I talked about it in the Pat O' Brien thread. They think DM has a lung infection.

Shouldn't they have checked for that before the race?

Rupert Pupkin 08-21-2006 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite
Shouldn't they have checked for that before the race?

No. they don't scope horses before a race.

sumitas 08-21-2006 03:18 PM

wait, this sounds like Afleet Alex down at Oaklawn.

somerfrost 08-21-2006 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas
wait, this sounds like Afleet Alex down at Oaklawn.

Exactly! Doesn't mean the horse is through! And no, that sort of thing often goes undetected if it developes right before the race (within a day or so).

BellamyRd. 08-21-2006 03:40 PM

all the money I keep scrounging up to gamble is lost

don't they keep that money for you down at the local pawn shop?
here's a tip: don't bet every race, don't bet a horse at bad odds
and the only way to make any money at this game is to find
vulnerabe favorites and play against them in certain "spot plays"
now ask yourself if you have the discipline to do that
if the answer is no, travel south until you see a big red bridge
climb up to the top and hurl yourself off of it
DM I thought wasn't a good bet yesterday, excuse for the lung's ok
but it still don't pay, at the windows

2Hot4TV 08-21-2006 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BellamyRd.
all the money I keep scrounging up to gamble is lost

don't they keep that money for you down at the local pawn shop?
here's a tip: don't bet every race, don't bet a horse at bad odds
and the only way to make any money at this game is to find
vulnerabe favorites and play against them in certain "spot plays"
now ask yourself if you have the discipline to do that
if the answer is no, travel south until you see a big red bridge
climb up to the top and hurl yourself off of it
DM I thought wasn't a good bet yesterday, excuse for the lung's ok
but it still don't pay, at the windows

You need Cash Call!

2Hot4TV 08-21-2006 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
Burned money thats for sure, all the money I keep scrounging up gamble is lost on stupid horses i bet on

The owners just put up $120,000 to get him in the breeders cup races so I wouldn't think anybody that bet Declans Moon made a bad bet. They still have a chance to get him right and run in the goodwood at Santa Anita before the Breeders Cup.

Rupert Pupkin 08-21-2006 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV
The owners just put up $120,000 to get him in the breeders cup races so I wouldn't think anybody that bet Declans Moon made a bad bet. They still have a chance to get him right and run in the goodwood at Santa Anita before the Breeders Cup.

I don't think there is any chance that DM will run in the Classic. Even if he would have won yesterday, Ron thought that the BC Classic would be too much, too soon. He thought the BC Sprint would be a better spot because at least the horse would be fit enough for the distance.

Now that DM ran poorly and is sick, there is practically no chance that he will run in the Classic. He won't even run again until Oak Tree and he'll probably just run in a 6 1/2 or 7 furlong race. There won't be any time to get him ready to go 1 1/4 miles a month later.

Coach Pants 08-21-2006 07:55 PM

I think he'll be retired soon. Really no need to keep him in training with all of the problems he's had.

Rupert Pupkin 08-21-2006 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
I think he'll be retired soon. Really no need to keep him in training with all of the problems he's had.

As of two days ago, they were expecting this horse to run for the next few years. He's a gelding, so he can run for another 4 years or so. He hasn't really had a lot of problems. He had a chip and he also had another problem that they didn't realize was there. When they brought him back the first time, they couldn't figure out why he wasn't training right. The chip had healed and they expected the horse to be acting great, but he didn't seem like himself. They did some tests and discovered that he had another problem that they didn't know about. When they discovered what it was, they had to turn him out again. The late discovery of the problem probably cost them about 4-5 months. If they knew about it from the start, they would have given him a few more months to let it heal. Instead they brought him back and trained him for a couple months and then had to turn him out again.

Anyway, since he came back the second time, everything has been going great. The horse has looked perfect. They were looking forward to him running for several more years. Assuming that he just has a lung infection, I would expect him to fully recover and to race for several more years.

oracle80 08-21-2006 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
As of two days ago, they were expecting this horse to run for the next few years. He's a gelding, so he can run for another 4 years or so. He hasn't really had a lot of problems. He had a chip and he also had another problem that they didn't realize was there. When they brought him back the first time, they couldn't figure out why he wasn't training right. The chip had healed and they expected the horse to be acting great, but he didn't seem like himself. They did some tests and discovered that he had another problem that they didn't know about. When they discovered what it was, they had to turn him out again. The late discovery of the problem probably cost them about 4-5 months. If they knew about it from the start, they would have given him a few more months to let it heal. Instead they brought him back and trained him for a couple months and then had to turn him out again.

Anyway, since he came back the second time, everything has been going great. The horse has looked perfect. they were looking forward to him running for several more years. Assuming that he just has a lung infection, I would expect him to fully recover and to race for several more years.

Thanks rupert!!! Thats great news. I was hoping he wasn't hurt and Im glad you got the scoop on the infection. We need all the stars we can get in this game and we didn't need to lose him so quickly after a nice comeback race.

hoovesupsideyourhead 08-21-2006 08:16 PM

i incuded him in my six ticket..how could you not..sirens lure is the goods out there...wow..

2Hot4TV 08-21-2006 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
i incuded him in my six ticket..how could you not..sirens lure is the goods out there...wow..

I hit Siren Lures last two races and was dumb enough to play Battle Won yesterday

The_Guy_Smiley 08-22-2006 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by sumitas
wait, this sounds like Afleet Alex down at Oaklawn.

Or Rockport Harbor.

One good performance in a long awaited race, then retired after the next.

Rupert Pupkin 08-22-2006 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Guy_Smiley
Or Rockport Harbor.

One good performance in a long awaited race, then retired after the next.

That wasn't what the poster meant. The poster was saying that both Declan's Moon and Afleet Alex had a race where they ran bad due to a lung infection.

GenuineRisk 08-22-2006 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
Thanks rupert!!! Thats great news. I was hoping he wasn't hurt and Im glad you got the scoop on the infection. We need all the stars we can get in this game and we didn't need to lose him so quickly after a nice comeback race.

Likewise, thank you for the info. On ESPN I thought I heard them say it might be his last race and I thought, "He's a gelding; wha?" But I may have misheard anyway.

pba1817 08-22-2006 06:25 PM

Infection or not, Decalns Moon didn't look all that good in the racing form. I guess the infection helped me out because I bet hard against him, did not include him on any exotics or multi race wagers. His numbers were much lower than his rivals, his recency was very suspect, he was beat by a claimer in his only comeback race... He was meeting some legitimate G1-2 rivals for the first time ever. Yes, those 2yo races were pretty fast, but that was 2 years ago...

Rupert Pupkin 08-22-2006 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pba1817
Infection or not, Decalns Moon didn't look all that good in the racing form. I guess the infection helped me out because I bet hard against him, did not include him on any exotics or multi race wagers. His numbers were much lower than his rivals, his recency was very suspect, he was beat by a claimer in his only comeback race... He was meeting some legitimate G1-2 rivals for the first time ever. Yes, those 2yo races were pretty fast, but that was 2 years ago...

You say he lost to a claimer. Desert Boom is a very good horse. He's a stakes horse. It's irrelevant that he's a former claimer. Siren Lure and Pure As Gold, who ran 1st and 2nd, are both fomer claimers.

I have no idea if DM could have won if he wasn't sick, but his nose loss to Desert Boom did not bother me. Desert Boom is a solid horse and DM had a really bad trip that day.

Danzig 08-22-2006 06:44 PM

apparently some think that once a claimer, always a claimer. a lot of horses run in claiming races, they're the backbone of the industry! some are able to rise thru the ranks. it shouldn't be a lifetime black mark on them, that's ridiculous!!

Rupert Pupkin 08-22-2006 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188
apparently some think that once a claimer, always a claimer. a lot of horses run in claiming races, they're the backbone of the industry! some are able to rise thru the ranks. it shouldn't be a lifetime black mark on them, that's ridiculous!!

In this case, it is especially silly because the best horses in the Pat O' Brien were former claimers. It makes no sense to say that DM can't win the race because a former claimer just beat him. This race is against former claimers too.

GPK 08-22-2006 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
You say he lost to a claimer. Desert Boom is a very good horse. He's a stakes horse. It's irrelevant that he's a former claimer. Siren Lure and Pure As Gold, who ran 1st and 2nd, are both fomer claimers.

I have no idea if DM could have won if he wasn't sick, but his nose loss to Desert Boom did not bother me. Desert Boom is a solid horse and DM had a really bad trip that day.


Didnt Siren Lure run for MCL30K his first race???

Rupert Pupkin 08-22-2006 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Didnt Siren Lure run for MCL30K his first race???

No, I don't think so. However he has run in $50k claiming races several times. He has been claimed several times.

Bordonaro actually ran in a MCL40K claiming race. It's funny that all of the top West coast sprinters right now are former claimers.

SniperSB23 08-22-2006 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Didnt Siren Lure run for MCL30K his first race???

Nope, a maiden special weight, even ran an 86 Beyer. He was claimed three different times though. Kind of amazing for a horse that has never run lower than an 81 Beyer.

Bold Brooklynite 08-22-2006 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
No. they don't scope horses before a race.

Well ...

... couldn't they have asked him how he felt?

Rupert Pupkin 08-22-2006 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite
Well ...

... couldn't they have asked him how he felt?

He won't answer questions. You need to go through his agent if you want to ask him anything. The horse got a "swell-head" ever since he won the Eclispe for best 2 year old.

Bold Brooklynite 08-22-2006 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
He won't answer questions. You need to go through his agent if you want to ask him anything. The horse got a "swell-head" ever since he won the Eclispe for best 2 year old.

Fame will do that to the best of them.

Danzig2 08-23-2006 09:40 AM

and sure enough, they have diagnosed a lung infection...also bled 'slightly'.

slotdirt 08-23-2006 09:43 AM

Brass Hat's first out was like a $15kMCL at Turfway, wasn't it?

SniperSB23 08-23-2006 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
Brass Hat's first out was like a $15kMCL at Turfway, wasn't it?

Yeah, was 32-1 and closed to finish 2nd. He then finished 2nd in a MSW and won the Rushaway as a maiden.

GPK 08-23-2006 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
No, I don't think so. However he has run in $50k claiming races several times. He has been claimed several times.

Bordonaro actually ran in a MCL40K claiming race. It's funny that all of the top West coast sprinters right now are former claimers.



THATS the sprinter I was thinking of Rich, thanks.

SCUDSBROTHER 08-23-2006 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
Burned money thats for sure, all the money I keep scrounging up gamble is lost on stupid horses i bet on

I thought your Dad took away TVG,and banned ya from betting.I think some people would collect aluminum cans to get money to play horses.


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