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joeydb 03-15-2010 02:05 PM

"What I Will Do If ObamaCare Passes"
 
http://www.americanthinker.com/print...macare_pa.html

March 15, 2010
What I Will Do If ObamaCare Passes
By Harold Witkov

I have done everything I could to help prevent ObamaCare. I have signed petitions, written letters to my representatives, and penned various articles for American Thinker. Still, I have a growing fear that ObamaCare might happen, so I decided that it would be wise to have a "Plan B" for myself just in case.


As I see it, coverage for an additional thirty million Americans is going to mean an eventual shortage of doctors and care. Despite what President Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi tell us, ObamaCare is going to result in the rationing of health care. When that happens, I want to be ready.


Here are my top four "Plan B" safety-valve ideas if ObamaCare passes:


1. I am going to buy the book by that guy I see on TV all the time, author Kevin Trudeau. His Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About will be looking pretty good by the time health care rationing starts. In fact, I think that there are a lot of good books like his out there. I am going to purchase them all. I am going to buy a new bookshelf and fill every shelf with natural cure books. If I die before I read them all, I will have my wife sell them on eBay. I am sure she will get a good price for them once ObamaCare kicks in.


2. I am going to sign up for self-hypnosis workshops and order self-hypnosis CDs. While perusing the internet, I discovered that there is a whole other world of health care beyond the conventional. If I am going to be subjected to health care rationing, I may as well give self-hypnosis a chance.


3. I am going to get out my old Q-Ray Bracelet and put it on. It never did help my herniated disc pain one darn bit, but it's not doing me any good sitting in my underwear drawer. This time, I am wearing it 'til I die. If that happens sooner than later, I bet my wife can get a good price on eBay for that, too, once ObamaCare starts.


4. I plan to find myself a top-of-the-line faith healer. I am talking bona fide, not like that charlatan who worked on Andy Kaufman.


There is a safety-valve idea "#5" I am considering should ObamaCare pass, but it is kind of humiliating, and I would need the help of my wife. I start by ordering an adult Clifford the Big Red Dog Halloween costume (I saw them for sale on Amazon). My wife brings me into the local veterinarian on all fours with a leash around my neck. She provides the vet with my stool and urine samples and explains, "This is my big red dog, Clifford. I would like him examined thoroughly. You are welcome to draw his blood and take X-rays, but he is not to receive any rabies or distemper shots. If I have to leave him, that is fine, but under no circumstances should he be neutered."


Speaking of canines, I recently found out that there is private health insurance coverage for pets available. Imagine that: Dogs and cats can get private coverage, but under ObamaCare, citizens will one day lose that option. On the other hand, our pets and their owners will one day have something in common which they never had before if ObamaCare passes: death panels.


I sure hope and pray that Obamacare fails. But now that I have some "Plan B" safety-valve ideas, I am feeling much better should Obamacare come to pass. I do hope that others will make use of some of my ideas. I am sure we can get through this if we all pull together.


As we all know, President Obama and the Democrats are losing independents and various coalition-voting blocks. If Obamacare is passed and the health care rationing begins, we can all at least take some solace in knowing that he has lost yet another voting block: the hypochondriacs of America.

miraja2 03-15-2010 02:35 PM

It is pretty amazing that a person could write something that long about an issue while clearly never taking the time to familiarize himself with the issue at all.
I almost wonder if he meant the whole thing as a parody of right-wing lunacy. If not, I guess he's just plain ignorant.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-15-2010 02:52 PM

I like the guys last name anyway.

Witkov!

It's like a combonation of my grandfathers two favorite things to call me .. "Nit wit" and "DumbKov"

hi_im_god 03-15-2010 08:01 PM

wow. people on the right still work the death panel angle?

are they worried about locking up that critical portion of the population that:

a) only watch fox news so missed the fact this is a discredited lie.
b) didn't hear the discredited lie 1000 times on fox news before they dropped it after it got too embarrassing.
c) would support health reform if they didn't hear it.

i'm sure the author knows his audience but that seems like a really small slice to aim for.

maybe he should have gone for pro-obama birther's instead.

GBBob 03-15-2010 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb
http://www.americanthinker.com/print...macare_pa.html

March 15, 2010
What I Will Do If ObamaCare Passes
By Harold Witkov

I have done everything I could to help prevent ObamaCare. I have signed petitions, written letters to my representatives, and penned various articles for American Thinker. Still, I have a growing fear that ObamaCare might happen, so I decided that it would be wise to have a "Plan B" for myself just in case.


As I see it, coverage for an additional thirty million Americans is going to mean an eventual shortage of doctors and care. Despite what President Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi tell us, ObamaCare is going to result in the rationing of health care. When that happens, I want to be ready.


Here are my top four "Plan B" safety-valve ideas if ObamaCare passes:


1. I am going to buy the book by that guy I see on TV all the time, author Kevin Trudeau. His Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About will be looking pretty good by the time health care rationing starts. In fact, I think that there are a lot of good books like his out there. I am going to purchase them all. I am going to buy a new bookshelf and fill every shelf with natural cure books. If I die before I read them all, I will have my wife sell them on eBay. I am sure she will get a good price for them once ObamaCare kicks in.


2. I am going to sign up for self-hypnosis workshops and order self-hypnosis CDs. While perusing the internet, I discovered that there is a whole other world of health care beyond the conventional. If I am going to be subjected to health care rationing, I may as well give self-hypnosis a chance.


3. I am going to get out my old Q-Ray Bracelet and put it on. It never did help my herniated disc pain one darn bit, but it's not doing me any good sitting in my underwear drawer. This time, I am wearing it 'til I die. If that happens sooner than later, I bet my wife can get a good price on eBay for that, too, once ObamaCare starts.


4. I plan to find myself a top-of-the-line faith healer. I am talking bona fide, not like that charlatan who worked on Andy Kaufman.


There is a safety-valve idea "#5" I am considering should ObamaCare pass, but it is kind of humiliating, and I would need the help of my wife. I start by ordering an adult Clifford the Big Red Dog Halloween costume (I saw them for sale on Amazon). My wife brings me into the local veterinarian on all fours with a leash around my neck. She provides the vet with my stool and urine samples and explains, "This is my big red dog, Clifford. I would like him examined thoroughly. You are welcome to draw his blood and take X-rays, but he is not to receive any rabies or distemper shots. If I have to leave him, that is fine, but under no circumstances should he be neutered."


Speaking of canines, I recently found out that there is private health insurance coverage for pets available. Imagine that: Dogs and cats can get private coverage, but under ObamaCare, citizens will one day lose that option. On the other hand, our pets and their owners will one day have something in common which they never had before if ObamaCare passes: death panels.


I sure hope and pray that Obamacare fails. But now that I have some "Plan B" safety-valve ideas, I am feeling much better should Obamacare come to pass. I do hope that others will make use of some of my ideas. I am sure we can get through this if we all pull together.


As we all know, President Obama and the Democrats are losing independents and various coalition-voting blocks. If Obamacare is passed and the health care rationing begins, we can all at least take some solace in knowing that he has lost yet another voting block: the hypochondriacs of America.

Joey..you're better than that drivel..don't turn into Nascardb please

Riot 03-15-2010 08:31 PM

Even I am speechless on that crazy nonsense .... ;)

letswastemoney 03-15-2010 09:20 PM

Free health care works just fine for Canada.

True, they have to wait slightly longer in certain situations.

But they aren't exactly a 3rd world country either. In fact, Canada is somehow one of the richest nations in the world despite having a free health care program.

joeydb 03-16-2010 06:21 AM

I posted it because it was an interesting rant. I'm also not sure if the original author was being serious at all or just looking to ruffle feathers.

randallscott35 03-16-2010 07:58 AM

It won't pass. Relax.

joeydb 03-16-2010 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35
It won't pass. Relax.

I really, really hope you're right.

Nascar1966 03-16-2010 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2
It is pretty amazing that a person could write something that long about an issue while clearly never taking the time to familiarize himself with the issue at all.
I almost wonder if he meant the whole thing as a parody of right-wing lunacy. If not, I guess he's just plain ignorant.


I feel that a person should have health insurance. But answer this question for me: Does a person who can work and is not trying to find work deserve a free ride? Personally I feel they dont deserve a hand out like they will getting if this ridiculous bill is passed. But I guess this is the O'Dumbass way.

Riot 03-16-2010 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nascar1966
I feel that a person should have health insurance. But answer this question for me: Does a person who can work and is not trying to find work deserve a free ride? Personally I feel they dont deserve a hand out like they will getting if this ridiculous bill is passed. But I guess this is the O'Dumbass way.

The bill does very little to nothing to change what people who don't work get.

What the bill does is massively change what people who do work, and who do pay for health insurance, get.

timmgirvan 03-16-2010 07:30 PM

....and this is why the vast majority of citizens don't want this swill to pass!

Riot 03-16-2010 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmgirvan
....and this is why the vast majority of citizens don't want this swill to pass!

?? Why? Because people who work hard, and pay their insurance premiums, won't be dropped for no reason other than profit when they get sick? That little kids on insurance won't be said to have reached lifetime limits just because they get bone cancer as children? And can never be insured again?

The "vast majority of citizens" has been polled to be against this, because the past year has been a nightmare of acrimony and lies about what reform could entail, but when it has been explained, the majority is in favor of it passing. I'll find the recent polling data from this week ....
---------------
Here's the current AP poll:

From Huffpost: AP Health Care Poll: Only FOUR PERCENT Of Americans Don't Want Any Reform
CHARLES BABINGTON | 03/ 9/10 06:41 PM |

WASHINGTON � Americans and their lawmakers are dramatically out of sync on health care, with large majorities of people looking for bipartisan cooperation that's nowhere in sight.

A new Associated Press-GfK Poll finds a widespread hunger for improvements to the health care system, which suggests President Barack Obama and his Democratic allies have a political opening to push their plan. Half of all Americans say health care should be changed a lot or "a great deal," and only 4 percent say it shouldn't be changed at all.

But they don't like the way the debate is playing out in Washington, where GOP lawmakers unanimously oppose the Obama-backed legislation and Democrats are struggling to pass it by themselves with narrow House and Senate majorities.

More than four in five Americans say it's important that any health care plan have support from both parties. And 68 percent say the president and congressional Democrats should keep trying to cut a deal with Republicans rather than pass a bill with no GOP support.

Leaders of both parties in Congress say that's not how it's going to work out. After a year of off-and-on negotiations, Republicans adamantly oppose Obama's plans. The White House and Democratic leaders say it's now-or-never for a health care overhaul, which would cover an additional 30 million Americans, require almost everyone to buy health insurance and impose new restrictions on insurance companies.

The Democrats' plan relies on parliamentary rules that bar Senate filibusters. That would enable Senate Democrats to pass a companion health care bill – which House Democrats are demanding – with a simple majority. Democrats control 59 of the Senate's 100 votes, one shy of the number needed to stop GOP filibusters.

The new poll underscores Obama's struggles to wrest control of the health care debate from Republicans, who couch his efforts as a government takeover and costly intrusion into private lives.

Many of his allies are baffled, because Americans clearly want change, and some of the individual components of the Democrats' health care agenda seem popular. Moreover, the public has not embraced the Republicans' overall approach to legislating, giving lower approval ratings to GOP lawmakers than to Democrats, although both parties fare badly.

In the AP-GfK Poll, 43 percent of those surveyed said Obama and Congress should keep working to pass health care this year, while 41 percent said they should start from scratch. On Capitol Hill, the Republicans favor that new-start approach; Democrats say that's just a way to stall the effort to death.

hoovesupsideyourhead 03-16-2010 08:59 PM

Let me share with you a portion of an email I received from a long-time member of the House of Representatives. Here's a look at process ... and you're not going to like what you see:

It is official: the President and the Speaker have decided to ram a health care bill through the Congress this week. The first step for this newly introduced 2,300 page bill is for it to be rushed through the Budget Committee this afternoon. As you saw if you clicked on the link to the bill, the legislation is moving so fast that it hasn't even been assigned a bill number yet.

While you can read this new bill here, it won't be worth your time. Why? Because these 2,300 pages aren't even the 2,300 pages that the President and Speaker Pelosi want us to vote on. That's right: the pages that they want us to vote on haven't even been completed yet. The bill that the Budget Committee is working on is simply a placeholder because the Speaker is still working out new language. The plan, we're told, is that Budget Committee will finish its work today to move the process along and then tomorrow--likely deep into the night--the Rules Committee will take up the bill. The Rules Committee will completely erase the 2,300 pages approved by the Budget Committee and insert thousands of entirely new pages into the bill. Don't worry, though: the Speaker has promised us at least 1 hour to read those several thousand new pages before the Rules Committee votes. No, I'm not laughing either.

Obviously, this is not the way that any bill should be considered in Congress, butt his is definitely not the way to handle something as important as health care reform and something so enormous that it accounts for almost 20%of our entire economy.

If you need to learn more, I will be holding a telephone town hall meeting tomorrow, Tuesday, March 16, at 7PM. By calling 1-800-_________ a few minutes before 7PM and giving the operator the pass code _______ you can join in this discussion. I would certainly value your participation.

Doesn't that just give you a pantload of warm fuzzies! This is how these Democrats in Congress are treating the people who hired them ... and is this what you actually hired them for? To treat you, the voters, like this?

And Now ... the "Deem and Pass" rule!
part 1

hoovesupsideyourhead 03-16-2010 09:01 PM

And Now ... the "Deem and Pass" rule!

OUTRAGE!!!!

The public pressure on the Democrat House members must be intense. Many are telling Princess Pelosi that they just can't vote for this monstrosity ... if they do, they'll be kicked out of office by angry voters.

So here's the problem. Pelosi is 140% dedicated to getting ObamaCare passed. This bill is the portal through which she and other elite Democrats are going to completely re-order American society. It absolutely MUST pass. The Democrats might never have another chance to get this much control over the lives of American citizens.

So .. what we need here is a way to get this bill passed without jeopardizing the political careers of reluctant Dems. If they could just pass the bill without actually voting on it everything might work out. But how do you do that?

This is where the "Deem and Pass" rule comes into effect. Princess Pelosi has ordered her chairwhatever of the House Rules Committee to create a "rule" for the Senate ObamaCare bill that would allow it to become law without house members actually having to put themselves on the record by voting. Louise Slaughter, the Rules Committee Czarina, has done just that. It's called a "self-executing rule," or "Deem and Pass."

Here's how it will work:

If you've been paying attention you will know that the plan up until the last few days was for the House to simply pass the Senate Bill as it stands and send it to The Community Organizer for his signature. Then the House and the Senate would get together and agree on some fixes to the new law and pass them by majority votes in both chambers. Well ... that's not working any more. House Democrats are frightened. So the new Pelosi Plan is to have the House and the Senate pass the fixes without the House actually voting on the Senate bill. Buried in the fixes - which would be rammed through the Senate with 51 votes - would be a little clause which states that the House will have been "deemed to have passed" the Senate bill. So ... ta da! The Senate bill and the fixes become law without the frightened House members actually having to vote on the Senate bill!

Can you smell the absolute desperation here?

Nancy Pelosi is actually going to give the congress all of 60 minutes to read this bill before it gets voted on. This is how the Democrats seize control of almost 20 percent of the American economy.

We just have to accept that there are a significant number of American voters who are simply to ignorant to understand what this is all about. These Americans actually believe that these despots give a flying fornication about their health care. The only thing that Democrats want to do about health care in this country is CONTROL IT! They know that once they control your health care, they control you. Health care will become the ring through your nose .. and the Democrats will be holding the rope.

Is this the change you voted for? I suspect not, but it's really hard to admit that you made a mistake by voting for The Community Organizer, isn't it? You could start by taking the Obama bumper sticker off your car ... after all, that sticker has become little more than a symbol of pathetic ignorance. If you don't want to be all that obvious, you could just make a little phone call to your Democrat congressman and say "Know what? This is really beginning to look like a very bad idea. There's not much I can do about Obama if he gets to sign it, but there's durned sure something I can do about you if you vote for it. So give that some thought, whaddaya say?

Riot 03-16-2010 09:12 PM

You gotta love the GOP political spin that is going on these past few days :D Gotta love a good last minute freakout - all their lying, all the Democratic incompetence, hasn't stopped what the people elected their President, Congress and Senate to DO.

Quote:

It is official: the President and the Speaker have decided to ram a health care bill through the Congress this week.
Well, no, not hardly.

Quote:

The first step for this newly introduced 2,300 page bill is for it to be rushed through the Budget Committee this afternoon. As you saw if you clicked on the link to the bill, the legislation is moving so fast that it hasn't even been assigned a bill number yet.
Nonsense. The House is voting on the Senate bill that passed months ago with a supermajority. That bill been on the .gov website for months.

Quote:

While you can read this new bill here, it won't be worth your time. Why? Because these 2,300 pages aren't even the 2,300 pages that the President and Speaker Pelosi want us to vote on. That's right: the pages that they want us to vote on haven't even been completed yet.
That would be the reconciiation motions. Don't worry, that's been out, and the final isn't very big.

Sigh ... this is getting hysterical these last few days, watching these pols.

hoovesupsideyourhead 03-16-2010 09:18 PM

THATS FUNNY THIS WHOLE LETTER CAME FROM A CONGRESSMAN..SO YOUR SAYING IN RIOTLAND YOU KNOW MORE THAN A ACTIVE MEMBER OF CONGRESS..I THOUGHT SO.:zz: :zz: MORE SHEEP ON THE DUMBOCRATIC
SIDE THAN I THOUGHT.

Riot 03-16-2010 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
THATS FUNNY THIS WHOLE LETTER CAME FROM A CONGRESSMAN..SO YOUR SAYING IN RIOTLAND YOU KNOW MORE THAN A ACTIVE MEMBER OF CONGRESS..I THOUGHT SO.:zz: :zz: MORE SHEEP ON THE DUMBOCRATIC
SIDE THAN I THOUGHT.

I'm quite sure the letter came from an active GOP member of Congress, and yes, in Riotland we can recognize outlandish bullshit when it's everywhere. It's called political spin. And political spin doesn't change the facts. I'm sure that Wed and Thursday it's gonna get absolutely over the top.

I really don't think I"m on the "sheep" side, BTW .... <vbg>

GLENN BECK HATES JESUS! TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW!

One more comment: if passing this bill to provide health care for millions who have been screwed by insurance companies is indeed the death knell for any Democrat getting re-elected this fall, why is the GOP fighting passage of the bill so very hard?

hoovesupsideyourhead 03-16-2010 09:24 PM

baaaah..baaaaa baaaaa -rock

AeWingnut 03-16-2010 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
THATS FUNNY THIS WHOLE LETTER CAME FROM A CONGRESSMAN..SO YOUR SAYING IN RIOTLAND YOU KNOW MORE THAN A ACTIVE MEMBER OF CONGRESS..I THOUGHT SO.:zz: :zz: MORE SHEEP ON THE DUMBOCRATIC
SIDE THAN I THOUGHT.

actually they are wolves pretending to be sheep they mean to do us harm

even Dick Durbin admits that we will never see any costs savings

in Illinois they are letting violent criminals out of jail saying - pay more in income tax or we let them all out
just wait until they control healthcare
it will be

pay more or the old lady gets it

Riot 03-16-2010 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AeWingnut
actually they are wolves pretending to be sheep they mean to do us harm

That's right, "they" are out to get you! Look out! Be scared!

hoovesupsideyourhead 03-16-2010 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot
That's right, "they" are out to get you! Look out! Be scared!

no just keep your head down praise obama and all his glory..baaa baaa -rock

Riot 03-16-2010 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
no just keep your head down praise obama and all his glory..baaa baaa -rock

You can baaaa at me all you want. Pretty much all the right does nowadays, call names. I voted for Obama over McCain, happy I did. He's not done what he advertised in many ways, as he's centrist rather than to the left, and in fact the progressives are terribly disappointed in him for that very reason.

But he was for health care reform, and it'll happen. Finally, after all these years of promise. Thank goodness!
------
I wonder why Hooves' Congressman is against the following?

Children with pre-existing conditions will no longer be denied insurance coverage (starts this year)
Lifetime coverage limits will be removed.
You will be covered for preventive care.

You can no longer be denied insurance due to pre-existing conditions.
You can no longer have your rates jacked up or be dropped when you get sick.

Medicare benefits will not be cut.
Medicare holders will get more preventive benefits (like cancer screenings) at no cost
Donut hole gap will be closed for prescription meds

People will keep their own doctors and current coverage in plans they have now (nothing affects or changes that)
No business will be required to provide insurance to their employees.

Businesses who provide insurance to their employees will be protected against arbitrary high rate hikes because one employee gets sick.

Insurance companies cannot charge businesses for coverage based upon individual employee health status

People who do not get insurance through work, and small businesses who do not have insurance for their employees, will be able to purchase the same type of excellent insurance marketplace Government employees & Congress has.

People and companies who still cannot afford this lowered price pool will get some tax cuts to help pay for it (expected to be the largest middle class tax cut in history)

The CBO says people buying health plans in the individual market now will retain the exact same plan, but see their premiums go down 10-14%

Insurance company studies on workplace insurance plans have shown this could reduce premiums for employer-paid work plans by $3000 per employee per year.

CBO says the above plan in total will reduce deficit by one trillion dollars. The Medicare Trust Fund life will be extended 9 years.

timmgirvan 03-16-2010 10:36 PM

Riot......got a bridge for sale.....

Cannon Shell 03-16-2010 11:54 PM

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...p_mostpop_read

Ms. Pelosi actually told reporters: "Nobody wants to vote for the Senate bill." Her scheme to allow House members to escape political responsibility even drew the ire of the Washington Post editorial page, which has strongly backed health care reform: "What is intended as a final sprint threatens to turn into something unseemly and, more important, contrary to Democrats' promises of transparency and time for deliberation

Riot 03-16-2010 11:55 PM

What's in the Senate bill, Timmi, is what is there. It's been out there in public since December to read. No secrets. No "government takeover" of healthcare. No "public option". No "single payer". No "grandma death panels". No "funding for abortion". The reconciliation adjustments are 11 pages. That's what's in there.

Riot 03-17-2010 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...p_mostpop_read

Ms. Pelosi actually told reporters: "Nobody wants to vote for the Senate bill." Her scheme to allow House members to escape political responsibility even drew the ire of the Washington Post editorial page, which has strongly backed health care reform: "What is intended as a final sprint threatens to turn into something unseemly and, more important, contrary to Democrats' promises of transparency and time for deliberation

What Pelosi said is true. Nobody wants to be politically-technically on the record for voting for alot of the nonsense the Senate allowed into their bill - Stupak's silly abortion amendment, the Louisiana Purchase, Nelson's gift to Nebraska, etc.

That's why the Dems want to vote by using the same procedural method the GOP used 35 times during the past 8 years, "deem and pass". That nonsense gets taken out of the Senate bill.

It's just political posturing of a technical nature. I doubt anybody will be fooled by it. It's hardly providing any real political cover :D

The Dems have best been described as spineless whoosies during the whole healthcare reform thing, and the GOP has simply been the party of "no" - even though a whole lot of what they are in favor of, regarding healthcare reform, has been included.

I'll bet they claim credit this fall at reelection time for that ;)

But again, if this healthcare reform is so terrible, I don't understand why the GOP doesn't sit back, continue to vote "no", and just let the Dems vote it in. It's not like any GOP votes are needed for any of this.

Seems like if passing this bill is the political dynamite the GOP says it is, standing in the way of that seems pretty silly.

It is going to be hard enough, already, for the GOP to have to go home and tell their constituents this fall, "Yes, I voted against your sick children not being able to be denied insurance".

SOREHOOF 03-17-2010 04:29 AM

If only every future decade in America gets 10 years of tax funding for every 6 years of coverage. It would still banckrupt the country, but it would play into the fuzzy math that is going on to sell this monstosity.

joeydb 03-17-2010 06:01 AM

The Congressional "leadership" should become familiar with this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJL2Uuv-oQ

What they are trying to do is unconstitutional, plain and simple. Oh how much fun November is going to be. Grab a cold one and watch the Democrats implode.

Danzig 03-17-2010 07:19 AM

i'd imagine the dems want to use deem and pass so that no one is on record as voting for this thing come the fall elections. i like how the defense is 'the reps did it before'. it's unseemly, no matter who's doing it. still waiting for the change....it's still business as usual in washington. what a surprise.

Antitrust32 03-17-2010 07:31 AM

:zz:

leave it to the scumbag dems to cheat this bill through congress. hope the supreme court throws it out.

hoovesupsideyourhead 03-17-2010 07:32 AM

baaaah baaaahh..

Patrick333 03-17-2010 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
baaaah baaaahh..

Well said. :D

Cannon Shell 03-17-2010 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot
What Pelosi said is true. Nobody wants to be politically-technically on the record for voting for alot of the nonsense the Senate allowed into their bill - Stupak's silly abortion amendment, the Louisiana Purchase, Nelson's gift to Nebraska, etc.

That's why the Dems want to vote by using the same procedural method the GOP used 35 times during the past 8 years, "deem and pass". That nonsense gets taken out of the Senate bill.

It's just political posturing of a technical nature. I doubt anybody will be fooled by it. It's hardly providing any real political cover :D

The Dems have best been described as spineless whoosies during the whole healthcare reform thing, and the GOP has simply been the party of "no" - even though a whole lot of what they are in favor of, regarding healthcare reform, has been included.

I'll bet they claim credit this fall at reelection time for that ;)

But again, if this healthcare reform is so terrible, I don't understand why the GOP doesn't sit back, continue to vote "no", and just let the Dems vote it in. It's not like any GOP votes are needed for any of this.

Seems like if passing this bill is the political dynamite the GOP says it is, standing in the way of that seems pretty silly.

It is going to be hard enough, already, for the GOP to have to go home and tell their constituents this fall, "Yes, I voted against your sick children not being able to be denied insurance".

While it is refreshing to see something truthful coming from Pelosi the fact of the matter is that that is what they are elected to do. Vote on the tough issues.

The GOP may have used the process but never for any bill that was remotely as controversial as this one. In fact the entire process of declaring this some kind of budget item to use reconcilliation is shady and terrible precedent.

The reason that the GOP stands in the way of the bill is that not standing in the way will be spun as an endorsement of it. Simple politics.

Personally I am both happy and sad to see what lengths the Dems will go to in order to get this thing rammed through. Happy because it exposes them to be everything that they say they arent and because the fallout will surely kill them in the fall elections. Sad because they have trampled on the system, pushing us further away from good govt and exposing the loopholes that are sure to be exploited for political resaons as opposed to good policy.

timmgirvan 03-17-2010 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i'd imagine the dems want to use deem and pass so that no one is on record as voting for this thing come the fall elections. i like how the defense is 'the reps did it before'. it's unseemly, no matter who's doing it. still waiting for the change....it's still business as usual in washington. what a surprise.

:tro: :tro: :tro:

Riot 03-17-2010 11:13 AM

And it's only Wednesday morning :D

I predict the public complaints and screaming and accusations and temper tantrums and threats of lawsuits from the right is going to get a whole' lot worse before Health Reform finally becomes law Saturday :tro:

timmgirvan 03-17-2010 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot
What's in the Senate bill, Timmi, is what is there. It's been out there in public since December to read. No secrets. No "government takeover" of healthcare. No "public option". No "single payer". No "grandma death panels". No "funding for abortion". The reconciliation adjustments are 11 pages. That's what's in there.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...bHRLAD9EG84VO0

sham 03-17-2010 11:29 AM

This just in. Several undecided-about-ObamaCare democrat congressmen woke to bloody sheets and a freshly severed horse head in their beds this morning. A suspect White House cabinet member (who shall remained unnamed due to ongoing investigations) was immediately sought out and questioned but denied any knowledge of the incident as he calmly cleaned dried blood from his fingernails with his switchblade. However, he did confess to making them an offer they could not refuse.

Riot 03-17-2010 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I'll stick with the CBO, looking at the entirety of it, thanks :)

I doubt whatever is passed will survive intact every year. Like Medicare, like the Civil Rights Act, amendments will be made.


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