Is Tiger a more dynamic athlete than Jordan?
 

...I think he is certainly making his case for the best athlete to ever walk this planet - and a strong case at that....Wow...what a freak of nature....his win at Medina today in the PGA Championship wasn't even fair.....

it was...but I'm a Jordan guy myself, I consider golf more of a skill, almost like darts, rather than an actual sport with athletes involved

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Well,I know that most great athletes have tried to play Basketball.I don't think the same is true for Golf.So,I think Tiger doesn't have to beat as many of the the same type of athletes as Jordon did.

really he's beating middle-aged men
what other "sport" allows a guy in his prime
to compete against the middle-aged & the beer-bellied?

Not sure if you guys notice this or not, but they were showing 99 Medina and did you see the difference in Tigers build? He is **** diesel compared to what he was back then. Guys on the tour are all working out, cept maybe fat Phill, lol. Tiger will **** on Jack's 18 before it's over. He is re-writing history. 1st to win multiple majors 2 years in a row. I can't say enough about the guy. You may have to say he's the best at his trade ever. MJ was a juggernaut in his time BTW. I loved to watch him play.

Lol

Didn't that 16-year-old chick (Wie) make the cut in men's event?

That's like Maria Sharapova making it to the 4th round on the men's side of the Australian Open.

Yeah, those golfers are some athletes.....lol

Man, this board is getting as poluted by haters as ESPN...I expect mindless crap from Coach, Seattle and a few others but man...if my memory is correct, doesn't MJ play golf (and quite well I might add), Charles Barkley, Strahan, actually most big-name athletes seem to enjoy golf...but none win tourneys against the pros. Comparing Wie...well, she is an absolute freak, I doubt MJ could out drive her! Of course Golf is a sport, it takes a tremendous amount of skill to even hit a golf ball in the right direction, and putting...!!! Regarding the original question...I think Tiger has made a bigger impact on kids than even MJ, he's introduced a whole new world to millions of them especially inner city minority kids. MJ was the most exciting,dynamic athlete ever imo...so, no, MJ was more dynamic, but Tiger will have a bigger sociological impact!

Somer I can be critical, but I also "love" too
there are some horses, ballplayers, etc, I'm crazy about
so call me a "hater" but the question was Tiger or MJ
I picked MJ
in fact some of that socialogical impact Tiger has is really negative
not really by any doing of his own
but now ya got every daddy and mommy wanting Little Bobby
to be the next protege', the next Tiger Woods
who goes on Bob Hope and says he'll be the best and does it
he's 1 in a million, and the socialogical effect has been a false reality
presented to children by their parents

Please, somerfrost

Sure it takes a lot of skill to be a successful golfer, but in what real sport can a 16yo girl compete successfully against the best male athletes?.....tennis?.....basketball?.....track & field?.....boxing?

Golf is a game.....like bowling and billiards.

Well, Julie Krone competed rather successfully against men, beat them constantly in fact. Wie hasn't "beaten" the men, she qualified in a tourney. The other sports...well, they are one-on-one sports, you compete directly against another person(s)...golf, you are playing against the course. If it was match play against the best men, she'd not last long if at all. The best golfers, even Tiger, can have bad days...he missed the cut in the Open (obviously there was a reason) but he missed the cut! Wie drives over 300 yards, that means that physically she is on a man's level in golf, that's like a woman hitting Nolan Ryan's fastball over the center field fence...I bet if a woman comes along who can do that, she'd be playing in the majors! If a woman can fly down the lane and complete a 360 degree slam over Shaq, she'll be in the NBA! You are taking a single unbelievable talent...a freak of nature...and using her to discredit a sport, that's not fair! The average pro woman's golfer cannot compete against the men, and the average older pro goes on the senior tour...ever notice how they dominate there the first few years they are eligible?

But the thing is...you dont have to be a great athlete to play golf at the highest levels. What other "sport" can you say that about? Would anybody confuse John Daly or Ken Perry with even being marginal "athletes"?

Now, can you name me an NBA player that isnt at least a marginal athlete? Even one. The truth is...you cant. How about hockey player? Or football player? Or soccer player? Or tennis player?

What other "sport" can you play where you can be drunk before the game is halfway over? In what other "sport" can an "athlete" like John Daly smoke cigarettes like a chimney WHILE he is playing?

What do golfers do that would be deemed an "athletic" endeavor? Do they run? Jump? lift? does it take good reflexes? quickness of foot? heck- they dont even carry their own bags anymore and one guy can even ride around in a cart!!!

Sure, it takes an amazing amount of skill to play golf. I play. But is it any more of a "sport" than archery?

Exactly, dalakhani


Frankly, if I was a pro golfer and some teenage girl made the cut ahead of me, I'd be pretty damn embarrassed.....and probably would seriously consider switching to another profession.

Please name the PGA Tour mens event that she made the cut in...has never happened, nor will it ever happen. I think she may have made the cut in an Asian PGA Tour event, but sh*t...I could make the cut in a few of those events. She simply does not putt well enough. I can say with certainty that I have spent more time around Michelle than the a great deal of the people on Derby Trail. She is an incredible talent that hits the ball just as far if not farther than alot of men on the PGA Tour, but that alone means nothing. Until she learns to win and improves her short game, she is wasting time on the PGA Tour. She is still 16...she needs to keep her ass on the LPGA tour and learn to win there so the tour will have a bona fide star waiting in the wings when Annika retires, which will be sooner than most people think.

Michelle hits the ball farther than I could ever dream of hitting it and I have played golf at a high level for an awfully long time.

Could she punch up a lower score than you over 36 holes, GPK?

90 to 95 times out of a 100, yeah....and I would be one proud SOB those 5-10 times I beat her. Im telling ya Smooth...I stood right beside her on the range in Hawaii last year and watched her hit 3wood 270yards on a rope time and time again. I watched her hit irons that never left the flag. Im telling ya...if they could somehow get Kelly Leadbetter to quit being her putting coach and go to someone more reputable and knowledgable....she would start winning...I promise you.

Totally agree. We wont see dominance like this in any sport again. We wont live long enough. It is incredible to me that in a sport like Golf that is going to automatically produce some very bad breaks no matter how well you hit the ball can be overcome by a guy that is just so far ahead physically and mentally.. its amazing. It should be much more likely to happen in a team sport or some other sport where bad breaks dont play such a big role.

And he says he still has a lot to learn and is getting better at not forcing the issue and just playing the course. He is never satisfied. Closest thing to a God I have ever seen.

Hell of a lot more involved in Golf. It is the single most difficult game on the planet imo. The game makes me hate myself deeply. Im suprised more people dont commit suicide while playing.

You hit a perfect putt right on line, perfect speed its going in ...a grain of sand and a slight puff of wind and around the rim of the cup. God help me. And I suck so bad. Look at a guy like Charles Barkely who was an absolutely fantastic athlete. 6 foot 4 and he could get the ball over anybody down low. INcredible. Watch him swing the golf club and it will make you puke. Such a weird game.

You taken a close look at some baseball players? For that matter, I suspect there are a couple nose tackles in football that I could still outrun...they were showing Warren Sapp last week on the sidelines without his pads and he was as big as the Goodyear Blimp! Is women's baskerball a sport? Lots of women playing there...all could handle anyone on this board. Of course they can't play in the NBA but the WNBA...is it a sport? Is woman's softball a sport? The women's semi-pro football leagues, wanta tell those girls they aren't playing a sport? Is horse racing a sport?

John Kruk looks like a real athlete. So does David Wells. And Bob Wickman. Sal Fasano's physique screams world class athlete. Remember Tony Siragusa? And Gilbert Brown. Casey Hampton? How about every offensive lineman in football.

If Pluto is a planet, David Wells should petition to become one as well. Both are dense and have eccentric orbits.

Damn that is one massive man.

How people forget Bo Jackson! I know, he didn't last long enough. But the guy was a great athlete.

Don't be knocking Fasano. He worked very hard to be where he is. His career could had been over a few years ago. "Coaching? I'm not 40 yet"

Bo Jackson....best athlete I have ever seen...bar none.

[quote=somerfrost]You taken a close look at some baseball players? For that matter, I suspect there are a couple nose tackles in football that I could still outrun...they were showing Warren Sapp last week on the sidelines without his pads and he was as big as the Goodyear Blimp! Is women's baskerball a sport? Lots of women playing there...all could handle anyone on this board. Of course they can't play in the NBA but the WNBA...is it a sport? Is woman's softball a sport? The women's semi-pro football leagues, wanta tell those girls they aren't playing a sport? Is horse racing a sport?[/QUOTE

Are you saying nose tackles in the NFL are not incredible atheltes? Do you realize what type of physical endurance it takes to play NFL football? Do you realize the amount of agility and strength it takes to play NFL football in any position besides kicker? Warren Sapp is an amazing athlete. He has to carry alot of weight because he is playing against people that would be able to push him around if he wasnt heavier. Yes, every NFL player is a far better athlete than John Daly would ever dream of being. Size is a big part of the game but the ability to MOVE the way they do while carrying that kind of weight is a testament to their athleticism.

Women's basketball IS a sport. It requires speed, quickness, and reflexes.

Womens softball IS a sport. Same reason.

Is horse racing? Yes, it is. The horses are the athletes.

How is anything you are saying disprove what i said? How is golf anymore of an athletic endeavor than archery?

Pitching still requires strength and endurance. How many John Kruks actually play today? Youve named two players that are over 40 and one that is retired. Is this the exception or the norm?

As for lineman, again, this is uninformed. Do you realize how agile these men are? Do you realize what a testament it is to their athletic ability to be able to carry that much weight but still move the way they do?

Are you also going to tell me that Sumo wrestlers are not great athletes?

Of course it is a difficult...GAME. Ive worked over twenty years for my lousy 12 handicap LOL. And if i had cyanide at times on the course...

However, how is it more of an ATHLETIC ENDEAVOR than archery? Or pool? Or bowling? Is it more difficult than any of those? Sure it is. Is it any more of an ATHLETIC ENDEAVOR?

no, it isnt. If it were such an athletic endeavor, i couldnt drink and smoke while i was doing it.

You can't compare golf to pool or archery. You could compare putting to pool or archery. You don't need to be athletic to putt. But it takes a lot of athleticm to hit a golf ball far. You have to generate serious club-head speed to hit a golf ball 280 yards.

I think for the most part golfers are tremendous athletes. Their athleticism differs from other sports (as all sports differ). I spent a morning at Dolphins training camp last week and I am absolutely amazed at the athleticism of all football players, especially the very large linemen who do carry a lot of weight. But I do think golfers are athletes as well. They walk 5-6 miles a day, 5-6 days a week and every five minutes they execute a shot that requires strerngth, skill and the ability to perform under pressure. I don't think there is much more individual pressure in any sport than in golf on a Sunday when every shot can mean $50,000 or much more.

.....and where if you don't perform....you don't get paid. How's that for having to perform under pressure?

Have never seen the girl play, so I'll take your word on the depth of her talent, GPK. And I've hit enough nasty slices in my brief dabbling in the game to realize that it takes a lot of skill and practice to master.

Just that if I was trying to make a living playing golf (and I have no idea if you do), I'd probably have a tough time dealing with finishing behind a 16yo girl.

Have seen way too many fat guys in their fifties drive the ball a long way to believe it takes "a lot of athleticism". Sure it takes a lot of skill and practice…..but athleticism…..please.

They still have endorsement loot though, I am guessing alot of it is incentive based but NONE of those pros are struggling and every single one of them has a SMOKIN hot wife..PGA guys probably have the hottest wives for any sport. even Billy F'n mayfair had a great piece of 43 year old behind this weekend

Huh? Just because a guy is heavy does not mean he's not an athlete. I got a real close up look at Dan "Big Daddy" Wilkinson at a Dolphins practice the other day. YOU tell him he's not an athlete just because he's 75 lb above his ideal weight.

YOU tell Larry Holmes too, ok? He was not the most toned guy in the world late in his career, including in '92 when he beat the sh1t out of a buffed-up Ray Mercer for 12 rounds at the age of 43.

I guess boxers are not athletes either?

And, of course, don't forget Dusty Rhodes. The American Dream was still doing it well into his 50's. "I have wined and dined with Kings and Queens; slept in alleys and lived on beans."

I rest my case.

Of course they're athletes, Stud…..because they're doing MUCH more athletic things like trying to get past a 350 pound offensive tackle so they can sack a QB…..or trying to knock someone's head off (or keep from getting their head knocked off) for 12 rounds, in the case of a boxer.

They're not standing around waiting to hit a little white ball that's sitting perfectly still on a tee.


By the way, who's Dusty Rhodes?

I'm not saying Sapp isn't an athlete, I'm simply saying the same things about him that you say about Daley or Lumpy...they don't look like typical athletes doesn't mean they aren't. Dusty Rhodes (real name Virgil something, got brain lock) is a professional wrestler and promoter, always looked fat and sloppy but boy could he get it done! Pro Wrestling brings up an interesting point...obviously not a sport but the guys that participate are certainly athletes. So...if we are going to determine whether something is a sport or not based solely on the perceived athleticism of the participants, are you gonna say Pro Wrestling is indeed a sport?

Yeah...the top players do Tom....but the guys struggling....they don't

Dusty Rhodes?!?!?!

BAH...give me "the boogie woogie man"....

"oh...wah....oh....wah the cool, cool kitty....just about the boy from New York City...":D :D


amazing the sh*t you believe in 8th grade:o

I seen Tony Sirugusa at White Castle in Indianapolis several years back when I lived their. It was right after last call, imagine that. Tony was sitting in front of, in my best estimation, 25-30 sliders, some onion rings, the man was slammin em' down. Dude can eat.

Dusty Rhodes is my favorite wrestler. Those were the days. I can't stand wrestling today. Give me the Iron Shiek, Ric Flair, Rowdy Roddy Piper, Andre The Giant, shoot I could talk for hours.

Kev we actually partly agree on something. Bo Jackson is the true definition of an athlete. I'll tell ya somebody I have always thought of as well as a well rounded athlete, those hot dog eating contests people:eek: as well as your spelling bee champions, yahtzee and poker players.

that's ridiculos calling pro wrestling a sport when the outcome is already arranged, I don't care if they are in great shape
I'm willing to bet any man
I could throw a football( professional weight and size)
a farther distance than Michelle Wie
and I am willing to wager I could out box Dusty Rhodes
and Somerfrost I challenge you to arm-wresting
if he likes wresting so much
and I will beat any man or woman at horse show tossing