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Scav 03-04-2010 10:02 PM
Cromartie, Tomlinson, Holmes to Jets
 
FOR ONLY A 3rd draft pick

HOLY crap...Jets might give up 75 yards passing

gales0678 03-04-2010 10:16 PM
need the DT and Leon Wash to come back then we can roll scavs

ateamstupid 03-04-2010 11:04 PM
I'm not a fan, but we got him for pennies so I rikey. If we get a capable edge rusher opposite Pace and a healthy Jenkins, look the uff out.

Scav 03-04-2010 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
I'm not a fan, but we got him for pennies so I rikey. If we get a capable edge rusher and a healthy Jenkins, look the uff out.
I think you Jet fans are missing the point now. Those two corners together means that your pass rush will be improved even if they get no one.

Plus, your safeties can play closer to the line. Your defense was already really really good, this just made them the best in the NFL.

The reason the Bears pass rush was so good when they made it to the Super Bowl was because Tillman and The Interceptor (now the Never Interceptor) were shut down. Now, they don't cover anyone.

ateamstupid 03-04-2010 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Scav
I think you Jet fans are missing the point now. Those two corners together means that your pass rush will be improved even if they get no one.

Plus, your safeties can play closer to the line. Your defense was already really really good, this just made them the best in the NFL.

The reason the Bears pass rush was so good when they made it to the Super Bowl was because Tillman and The Interceptor (now the Never Interceptor) were shut down. Now, they don't cover anyone.
It was already the best defense in the NFL, now it's just awesomer. But anyone not named Revis can be picked apart by a good quarterback if there's no pass rush. Sheppard and Lowery had decent seasons, if we had a pass rush they would've had very good seasons. We still need someone besides Pace who can beat people one-on-one.

ddthetide 03-05-2010 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Scav
I think you Jet fans are missing the point now. Those two corners together means that your pass rush will be improved even if they get no one.

Plus, your safeties can play closer to the line. Your defense was already really really good, this just made them the best in the NFL.

The reason the Bears pass rush was so good when they made it to the Super Bowl was because Tillman and The Interceptor (now the Never Interceptor) were shut down. Now, they don't cover anyone.
he's a known headcase and SD gave him away to get rid of him. he only plays when he feels like it.

MaTH716 03-05-2010 08:44 AM
I think it's a good move for the Jets. They didn't have to give up much (although I believe there are some conditions that could make it a second rounder) to get a guy that should fit very nicely into that defense. Also I believe that he's entering the final year of his contract, so the kid will be looking to get paid. He should have plenty of opportunites to get picks because teams will be throwing to his side of the field to avoid Revis Island.

Cannon Shell 03-05-2010 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
It was already the best defense in the NFL, now it's just awesomer. But anyone not named Revis can be picked apart by a good quarterback if there's no pass rush. Sheppard and Lowery had decent seasons, if we had a pass rush they would've had very good seasons. We still need someone besides Pace who can beat people one-on-one.
:eek:

randallscott35 03-05-2010 10:18 AM
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:eek:
The rich get richer. Face it....Maybe 3 wins for the Fish nexy year. maybe.

Cannon Shell 03-05-2010 10:24 AM
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The rich get richer. Face it....Maybe 3 wins for the Fish nexy year. maybe.
Yeah Cromartie is the straw that broke the camels back. Warren Cromartie would trouble me but this guy is a bum. And no self respecting Dolphin fan would ever use the word 'awesomer', ever.

randallscott35 03-05-2010 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Yeah Cromartie is the straw that broke the camels back. Warren Cromartie would trouble me but this guy is a bum. And no self respecting Dolphin fan would ever use the word 'awesomer', ever.
Well Joe is doing the best he can with words. But he's a Jet fan so he gets a pass.

Cannon Shell 03-05-2010 10:26 AM
And the thought that the Jets are anything more than a fluke team and are now part of the "rich" is laughable.



























that should set off some fire alarms....

Cannon Shell 03-05-2010 10:30 AM

randallscott35 03-05-2010 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Chuckie, don't be bitter b/c your defense is poor.

ateamstupid 03-05-2010 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Yeah Cromartie is the straw that broke the camels back. Warren Cromartie would trouble me but this guy is a bum. And no self respecting Dolphin fan would ever use the word 'awesomer', ever.
:rolleyes: yeah, I don't be writing goodly, my oops.

randallscott35 03-05-2010 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Yeah Cromartie is the straw that broke the camels back. Warren Cromartie would trouble me but this guy is a bum. And no self respecting Dolphin fan would ever use the word 'awesomer', ever.
I doubt they are giving Millers Analogies in order to get a training liscense these days.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-05-2010 12:04 PM
Sanchez.

ateamstupid 03-05-2010 01:17 PM
What about him?

The Indomitable DrugS 03-05-2010 02:10 PM
Watch the Baltimore Ravens teams from the last decade.

It's hard to imagine the Jets can be as good defensively - maybe they will be. Its hard to imagine they will have as good of a running game - maybe the will.

The Ravens always had an awesome defense and running game - but they were undermined by guys like Tony Banks, Trent Dilfer, Elvis Gerbac, Mr. Gutterball Kyle Boller... true they went 15-1 with a long over the hill Steve McNair and have won playoff games with Delaware Blue Hen QB Flacco in both of his two seasons.

Basically .. the Ravens were one top flight QB away from being the best dynasty around.

And because of incompetent qb play - what do they have to show for it? Just one Super Bowl ring ... and the key to that lone Super Bowl ring was thanks in part to them blocking a short range field goal against the Titans and returning it for a TD .. basically a 10 point swing play in a razor thin playoff road game against a team who they lost that years divisional crown to.

hockey2315 03-05-2010 03:02 PM
They said on the Fan today that Cromartie has 7 kids with 6 different women. Sounds like Scav.

hi_im_god 03-05-2010 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Watch the Baltimore Ravens teams from the last decade.

It's hard to imagine the Jets can be as good defensively - maybe they will be. Its hard to imagine they will have as good of a running game - maybe the will.

The Ravens always had an awesome defense and running game - but they were undermined by guys like Tony Banks, Trent Dilfer, Elvis Gerbac, Mr. Gutterball Kyle Boller... true they went 15-1 with a long over the hill Steve McNair and have won playoff games with Delaware Blue Hen QB Flacco in both of his two seasons.

Basically .. the Ravens were one top flight QB away from being the best dynasty around.

And because of incompetent qb play - what do they have to show for it? Just one Super Bowl ring ... and the key to that lone Super Bowl ring was thanks in part to them blocking a short range field goal against the Titans and returning it for a TD .. basically a 10 point swing play in a razor thin playoff road game against a team who they lost that years divisional crown to.
i might be missing your point but this seems to be an arguement in favor of the jets.

if all they're missing is competent play at qb, i don't see why sanchez in his 2nd year can't improve over his rookie year as an nfl qb. if the jets can win games with 17-21 points on offense, that takes a lot of the pressure off snachez to make plays and reduces the brett favre like forced throws into coverage.

i think this is good news for sanchez. he won't put up great fantasy numbers but he won't need to for the jets to win games.

ateamstupid 03-05-2010 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
i might be missing your point but this seems to be an arguement in favor of the jets.

if all they're missing is competent play at qb, i don't see why sanchez in his 2nd year can't improve over his rookie year as an nfl qb. if the jets can win games with 17-21 points on offense, that takes a lot of the pressure off snachez to make plays and reduces the brett favre like forced throws into coverage.

i think this is good news for sanchez. he won't put up great fantasy numbers but he won't need to for the jets to win games.
Don't get in the way of DrugS talking in circles. His point is that Sanchez sucks and won't ever be anything more than Trent Dilfer. I'd argue, but considering how wrong he's been about everything football-related ever on DT, that seems like overkill.

Cannon Shell 03-05-2010 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by randallscott35
I doubt they are giving Millers Analogies in order to get a training liscense these days.
No but they do include a section on using spell check




You guys are Jets fans? Dont you like to be abused?

The Indomitable DrugS 03-05-2010 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Don't get in the way of DrugS talking in circles. His point is that Sanchez sucks and won't ever be anything more than Trent Dilfer. I'd argue, but considering how wrong he's been about everything football-related ever on DT, that seems like overkill.
Wasn't I like 3-1 on here this year with my non-involving Patriots football picks?

randallscott35 03-05-2010 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
No but they do include a section on using spell check




You guys are Jets fans? Dont you like to be abused?
Yes we do.

Cannon Shell 03-05-2010 09:11 PM
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Yes we do.
:$:

ateamstupid 03-07-2010 04:08 AM
Kerry Rhodes traded to Arizona for a 2010 4th and 2011 7th. Gotta say I'm not pleased. Hollywood has been disappointing since he was re-upped but we have no other free safeties on the roster. This creates a hole that didn't have to be there.

MaTH716 03-07-2010 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Kerry Rhodes traded to Arizona for a 2010 4th and 2011 7th. Gotta say I'm not pleased. Hollywood has been disappointing since he was re-upped but we have no other free safeties on the roster. This creates a hole that didn't have to be there.
He played alot better after Rex benched his ass. But apparently there was something very secretive about Rhodes situation. Because after the season Rex had a media session and the only guy who he refused to shed any light on was Kerry Rhodes. He pretty much said that there was a conversation between the two and he wasn't going to discuss it with the media. Not sure but it seems like there was some sort of issue. I personally think the guy is talented, but it seems like he has many off the field distractions. I have heard people say that they are not sure if he wants to be a TV star or a football player.

ateamstupid 03-07-2010 09:13 AM
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He played alot better after Rex benched his ass. But apparently there was something very secretive about Rhodes situation. Because after the season Rex had a media session and the only guy who he refused to shed any light on was Kerry Rhodes. He pretty much said that there was a conversation between the two and he wasn't going to discuss it with the media. Not sure but it seems like there was some sort of issue. I personally think the guy is talented, but it seems like he has many off the field distractions. I have heard people say that they are not sure if he wants to be a TV star or a football player.
Yeah, I know all of that, but recently there were signs that Rex and Kerry had worked out their differences. My main issue with Kerry this year was his seemingly sudden aversion to hitting and tackling. He's got the athleticism to be great but before the benching I saw him constantly halfheartedly swiping at guys or trying to tackle people in the open field using one shoulder. That pissed Rex and fans off, because they both like hard-nosed safeties. I mean, just look at about :51 of highlights from the 2nd Jets/Bills game:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/200912...ts@bills/watch

Still, he did play better late in the season and in the playoffs and this creates a need where there wasn't one. Eric Smith is much improved and is terrific against the run, but he's not nearly athletic enough to be the answer in pass coverage.

MaTH716 03-07-2010 09:26 AM
Joey, maybe the guy is a bit of a head case. He went from being one of the faces of the defense the last couple of seasons, to pretty much anonymity this season (between the addition of Scott and Revis absolutely blowin up). Maybe the guy needs/wants the spotlight on him all the time. The only time he got it this season was when he was stinkin up the joint.

miraja2 03-08-2010 07:19 AM
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Chuckie, don't be bitter b/c your defense is poor.
With the additions of Nolan and Dansby, I expect the Dolphins' defense to be pretty good next year.

Cannon Shell 03-08-2010 01:45 PM
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With the additions of Nolan and Dansby, I expect the Dolphins' defense to be pretty good next year.
Miami still managed to win 2 games against the Jets last year.

randallscott35 03-08-2010 01:47 PM
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Miami still managed to win 2 games against the Jets last year.
You keep going back to that like it matters. Did that Dallas win at NO matter for NO? Nope.

Cannon Shell 03-08-2010 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by randallscott35
You keep going back to that like it matters. Did that Dallas win at NO matter for NO? Nope.
wins and losses dont matter?

ateamstupid 03-08-2010 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
wins and losses dont matter?
Sure they do. Playoff wins, for example, matter. Though you probably can't remember what those look like.

randallscott35 03-08-2010 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
wins and losses dont matter?
Ask Marino

Cannon Shell 03-08-2010 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Sure they do. Playoff wins, for example, matter. Though you probably can't remember what those look like.
LOL! ok fan of perennial playoff winners...

In your lifetime the Jets have made the playoffs 7 times

ateamstupid 03-08-2010 06:21 PM
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LOL! ok fan of perennial playoff winners...

In your lifetime the Jets have made the playoffs 7 times
AFC Championship appearance this year > No playoff win since 2001.

miraja2 03-08-2010 06:26 PM
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AFC Championship appearance this year > No playoff win since 2001.
1972 and 1973 > 1968

ateamstupid 03-08-2010 06:31 PM
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1972 and 1973 > 1968
Like I give a **** about that. Neither team has won anything since I've been watching football. I love it when people bring up Super Bowls from 90 years ago like that has relevance now.


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