obama demands vote on health care..
 

lol..i demand we vote on the new trimmed down yet not republican line- item
approved plan..good luck..what a waste of time it all is..politics suck.

http://www.mediacomtoday.com/news/re...ARSDCCLM_UNEWS

end game is right..no end to it game.

I tried to e-mail Mitch McConnell today, to tell him exactly where my "outrage" lies. It's certainly not where he thinks.

His contact website off .gov was down, I suspect due to complaints about Jim Bunning. So I had to go through his KY site. Told him what I thought of GOP filibusters over the past year :)

I am guessing you favored the filibuster.

Oh, yeah. I love it when I pay my elected officials for doing nothing ;)

no man's property is safe while congress is in session

someone somewhere said it better than me but I'm not going to look it up

My money and my freedom are most safe when congress is in recess.:tro:

This is a strategory move to get re-elected.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...ctions_opinion

Mr. Obama's fiscal assertions are possible only because of the fraudulent accounting and budget gimmicks that Democrats spent months calibrating. Readers can find the gory details in Mr. Ryan's pre-emptive rebuttal nearby, though one of the most egregious deceptions is that the bill counts 10 years of taxes but only six years of spending.

The real cost over a decade is about $2.3 trillion on paper, Mr. Ryan estimates, and even that is a lowball estimate considering how many people will flood to "free" health care and how many businesses will be induced to drop coverage. Mr. Obama claimed yesterday that the plan will cost "about $100 billion per year," but in fact the costs ramp up each year the program exists. The far more likely deficits are $460 billion over the first 10 years, and $1.4 trillion over the next 10.

Next month Medicare physician payments are scheduled to be cut by 22% and deeper thereafter, though Congress is sure to postpone the reductions as it always does. Failing to account for this inevitability takes nearly a quarter-trillion dollars off the ObamaCare books and by itself wipes out the "savings" that the White House continues to take credit for.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...731862750.html


The goal is to permanently expand the American entitlement state with a vast apparatus of subsidies and regulations while the political window is still (barely) open, regardless of the consequences or the overwhelming popular condemnation. As Mr. Obama fatalistically said after his health summit, if voters don't like it, "then that's what elections are for."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Obamas....html?x=0&.v=1


Now the 40-year-old Janesville, Wis., native is emerging as the leading GOP voice on economic policy, thanks to his detailed blueprint for solving what both Democrats and Republicans agree is a perilous fiscal future. (How bad is America's financial picture? The President's budget for 2011 forecasts deficits running at more than $1 trillion, or an unsustainable 4.2% of GDP, in 2020 -- and that assumes low unemployment and decent growth of the economy.)

Ryan calls his proposal, published in January, the Roadmap for America's Future. It's a remarkably comprehensive, daring manifesto that tackles every part of the budget on a presidential scale, from Social Security to tax policy to health-care reform.

His prescription for health care is radical: Ryan would eliminate the exclusion allowing companies to lavish on employees tax-free benefits and give the tax breaks to the workers themselves through a rebate of $5,700 a family, or a check for that amount if they don't pay taxes.

"The problem with both Medicare and private plans is the third-party-payer system," says Ryan. "Consumers, spending their own money, will drive down prices." Ryan proposes a classic flat-tax solution: Americans could choose between using today's byzantine rules and a simplified, post-card model with two rates, 10% and 25%. Believe it or not, the simplified system would disallow mortgage and other deductions.

In February the Congressional Budget Office analyzed Ryan's road map -- and confirmed that it produced the falling deficits and balanced budgets that Ryan promises. "By proposing cuts in benefits, Paul Ryan is demonstrating the nature of the solution that must occur," former Fed chief Alan Greenspan told Fortune. "You can't close the gap with tax increases alone, and if you try to do it, you slow growth and reduce future tax receipts."

Even if they use recon for this it won't stand up in court. It's over on this, they don't get it. Recon is to be used for budget issues, this isn't one, it will not stand up. Not a chance....Barack should be worried about the economy and nothing else.

If the House passes the same bill that was already passed by the Senate it goes straight to the desk of the Prez.

Good work on those posts,Ziggy!
Randall: he's campaigning for 2012......

I actually like Ryan. A little snarky at times but I like that he backs up what he says with numbers.

The problem with a flat tax is that it will destroy the housing market when it is barely staying afloat as is.

http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/plan/

The Ryan plan if anyone wants to read it. Can't say that I agree with all of it but it is a step in the right direction conservatives. He is often on CNBC in the mornings.

Obama even likes Ryan. They will use reconciliation, and of course it will stand up, just like it has all the other times they've used it.

I dont think Obama likes Ryan. As a matter of fact, I think Obama can't stand him. They are polar opposites.

You can see the beginnings of a 2012 campaign starting though. A manifesto like the one Ryan just put out is the clear sign.

Maybe there should also be a vote to impeach O'Dumbass. Might as well throw Pelosi and Reid in the mix. Funny how O'Dumbass could care less about his own political party in getting this bill passed. Oh thats right he's not up for reelection in November.

what impeachable offense has he committed? as for reid, the voters in nevada look like they will be showing him the door soon. and it's hard to take your points seriously with your ridiculous nickname for the president. it's rather juvenile, don't you think?

which nicknames do you prefer?

Obamessiah
Barackovich

none of them. it has nothing to do with anything, i find it silly.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...wsreel_opinion

Sounds promising :rolleyes:

O' Proma Breaka


Theme song snapshot:

Proma Breaka..... Lie teacher....Baracka,..

Baracka.... you know,you lie.....

..(KISS KISS Turkey!!!!..)

Cuz you know .....Stick figure ...You got no spine

....(KISS KISS Turkey!!...)

either one. at least you have the feeling whoever thought those up was over the age of 12.

"Dear Leader, Chairman Maobama"

Thank you for expessing your opinion. Arent you tired of O'Dumbass lies? If your not then someting is wrong. Hopefully if Reid gets the heave ho out then Pelosi will be next. She should shove that health care up her worthless @ss. I dont know about you but im tired of seeing her and Reid on TV talking about that piece of crap health reform bill. What a coward O'Dumbass is by saying he is going to invoke the majority rule thing instead of using how the voting rules has been in the past. O'Dumbass has already proved he is not afraid to put his own party under the bus. Some leader that the Democrat party has. He has already show me that he could care less about the military, retired military, and people on Social Security. Hopefully in 2013 this country will have a Republican leading it.

Where can one go to get the straight facts about ObamaCare? Every news outlet has a bias and will spin the tale to their preference. I still don't know what healthcare reform will cost, or if it will explode the deficit, or if Medicare patients will suffer reduced care, or if care will be rationed, or if my insurance premiums will rise and by how much, or how much will my taxes go up, along with many other questions. Do YOU know the answers? Healthcare reform will be a major change to our country if it becomes law. How can anyone risk supporting a major reform with so many unanswered questions?

Here is an interesting wrinkle. Anyone over the age of 60 will likely pay higher premiums and higher taxes for ObamaCare with NO chance of ever receiving a benefit because they will be Social Security age when the benefit phase goes into effect. Remember that the benefit phase will begin four years after tax collection begins in some kind of perverted accounting scheme to make the program look like it is generating a surplus.

There is also this bogus sounding claim that cutting $500B from Medicare and using that money to fund a new entitlement program will somehow 'shore-up' Social Security. Only a complete idiot would buy that claim. In fact, anyone over 60 would have to be a fool to support the current healthcare overhaul legislation.

when you're ready to have a serious discussion, let me know.

i don't know. fact check dot org usually will give you the truth, but they don't seem much interested from what i've seen in getting into the nitty gritty of it all. they have some articles about parts of the bill, but nothing that tackles the whole thing.

And you try to say im acting like a juvenile. Maybe you should look in the mirror. Im sure your one of the millions that was mislead in 08 by O'Dumbass. If your enjoying seeing this great country of ours going down the tubes then more power to you.

Uh, I wouldnt be so sure.

Danzig,

Do you agree with the Democratic party new strategy with this bill? Trying to pass it without having a vote. I dont recall anything like this happening before. Have you? If it is passed without a vote I pity each and every Democrat up for election in Congress and the Senate. Hopefully the next job they have is cleaning out a bathroom.

no, i don't. and no, i didn't vote for obama. as for them doing this before, there have been instances where they pssed things without a vote, altho nothing on a scale of the health care bill from what i understand.

i'm sorry, but i feel your incessant use of 'o'dumbass' is juvenile. it doesn't make you or your comments look serious. or maybe that's just me. as for the rest, i don't want to see our country go down the tubes. but i also don't think one person, or one small group of people can cause that.

I give you all the credit in the world for expressing your opinion. I might not agree with your opinion but I commend you for expressing it.

The above is not true. The above is an inaccurate description of passing the reconciliation passages with the bill. It is spin, and some of the news media isn't helping by calling it passing without a vote. It is simply voting on the reconciliation as the same time as the Senate bill.

Here is a detailed explaination: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...th-care/37540/

PS, the GOP has used the same procedure in the past on bills, so it has happened before.

Yeah....and he's not even Irish!;)