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GBBob 02-18-2010 12:40 PM

Just because you are pissed at the IRS,
 
doesn't mean you should do this..

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/tex...ex.html?hpt=T1

hoovesupsideyourhead 02-18-2010 12:48 PM

oops !!

Antitrust32 02-18-2010 01:49 PM

that was one intense suicide note!! I sure hope he didnt kill anybody except himself.. If you are that nutty and hate G W Bush that much.. at least wait until 2am to crash the IRS building when nobody will be there.

Antitrust32 02-18-2010 02:07 PM

Its interesting to see most all of the liberal posters on CNN.COM automatically label this guy as a "tea bagger" or white republican.

And then you actually read his suicide note and he promotes communism and rips into Bush.

How much you want to bet he gets labled a tea bagger in the press though?

The Indomitable DrugS 02-18-2010 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
And then you actually read his suicide note and he promotes communism and rips into Bush.

Clever misdirection of the populace.

Antitrust32 02-18-2010 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Clever misdirection of the populace.

so he was a teabagger posing as a Bush hating communist?


though his tirades against "taxation without representation" seem like a tea bag slogan.

GBBob 02-18-2010 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
so he was a teabagger posing as a Bush hating communist?


though his tirades against "taxation without representation" seem like a tea bag slogan.

I think he had a few more serious issues that political party alliance confusion

Antitrust32 02-18-2010 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
I think he had a few more serious issues that political party alliance confusion


While he is completely off his rocker.. he made valid points.. though damn, kill yourself in a way that wont injure or kill others if you feel that is the only way out..

Many or most tax payers continue to be screwed by Uncle Sam year after year, day after day.

I wonder if all the citizens decided to not pay their taxes anymore what would happen? Would we ALL go to jail?

timmgirvan 02-18-2010 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
While he is completely off his rocker.. he made valid points.. though damn, kill yourself in a way that wont injure or kill others if you feel that is the only way out..

Many or most tax payers continue to be screwed by Uncle Sam year after year, day after day.

I wonder if all the citizens decided to not pay their taxes anymore what would happen? Would we ALL go to jail?

I hear the workers had different shifts, so there weren't many people there at the time.

AeWingnut 02-18-2010 08:30 PM

I heard people talking about this at work (and the keyword is "work") no one was saying this is all the fault of the tea party movement instead
everyone was sharing stories of IRS abuses and how there is no recourse.

hi_im_god 02-18-2010 08:39 PM

just for the record no one at my work discussed this at all.

i hope if the conversation starts tomorrow it doesn't run along the lines here.

when you start sympathizing with people flying planes into buildings you've moved outside my comfort zone.

i guess i still need to get used to the idea that's a normal attitude.

mclem0822 02-18-2010 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
just for the record no one at my work discussed this at all.

i hope if the conversation starts tomorrow it doesn't run along the lines here.

when you start sympathizing with people flying planes into buildings you've moved outside my comfort zone.
i guess i still need to get used to the idea that's a normal attitude.

:tro: Well said!

brianwspencer 02-18-2010 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
good for him..f them..


God, I feel like there were some people who said that some other time someone flew a plane into a building.

Weird, I bet if the ethnicity and motivation were different that you might feel a little less "you go girl" about the whole thing.

Riot 02-18-2010 10:49 PM

I knew a guy with family that committed suicide in his 30's due to IRS money owed ... sad thing. It wasn't an insurmountable amount of money, he wasn't going to lose the house or the kids' college funds or anything. Nobody could figure out why he did it, other than he was completely stressed over it, felt the IRS was an immoveable wall, the penalties, etc.

I thought the IRS has become "kinder, gentler" lately? Or just grossly understaffed and unable to come after folks?

I dunno, in my own businesses, I have paid the IRS what and when I gotta, so I guess I've escaped any nightmare dealings with them.

So, was plane guy just one of many individuals that take the stand that they have no taxes to pay to the government, due to their interpretation of the Constitution, etc?

_ed_ 02-19-2010 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
God, I feel like there were some people who said that some other time someone flew a plane into a building.

Weird, I bet if the ethnicity and motivation were different that you might feel a little less "you go girl" about the whole thing.

Well said.

Danzig 02-19-2010 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
just for the record no one at my work discussed this at all.

i hope if the conversation starts tomorrow it doesn't run along the lines here.

when you start sympathizing with people flying planes into buildings you've moved outside my comfort zone.
i guess i still need to get used to the idea that's a normal attitude.

:tro:


i didn't know anything about it til late afternoon when my husband mentioned it. what hasn't been brought up here is he also burned his house to the ground. i guess his wife and daughter had that coming? :rolleyes:
i don't get why people these days want to take a group with them when they go. used to be that folks just offed themselves, now they want to go out in a blaze of glory.

wonder if the one irs employee is still missing? it didn't sound like they were holding out much hope for him.

as for the 'irs' having it coming-to those who said that...these guys are employees. they don't write the code. this would be similar to getting pissed at a meter maid because you parked illegally.

Patrick333 02-19-2010 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
good for him..f them..

How many of IRS employee's did you want to die? Just wondering..

hoovesupsideyourhead 02-19-2010 09:55 AM

ok none..when i saw the story first i was more shocked that someone would
be that pissed..and in the end i still cant stand the irs.start taxing the illegals who live for free .while hard working people who cant make ends meet get the shaft..:wf

somerfrost 02-19-2010 12:11 PM

Hard to justify a criminal, murderous, selfish act....even implying that it was in any way justified is simply sick!

timmgirvan 02-19-2010 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
:tro:


i didn't know anything about it til late afternoon when my husband mentioned it. what hasn't been brought up here is he also burned his house to the ground. i guess his wife and daughter had that coming? :rolleyes:
i don't get why people these days want to take a group with them when they go. used to be that folks just offed themselves, now they want to go out in a blaze of glory.

wonder if the one irs employee is still missing? it didn't sound like they were holding out much hope for him.

as for the 'irs' having it coming-to those who said that...these guys are employees. they don't write the code. this would be similar to getting pissed at a meter maid because you parked illegally.

Burned his home to the ground? WHOA......thanks family for all your service! That blows:(

SOREHOOF 02-19-2010 07:13 PM

I feel bad for this guy's family, and the families of those injured or killed. The guy was deranged to do this sh!t. I hate paying taxes as much as any red blooded American but I never blamed the IRS for having to pay taxes. I know people who work for the IRS. Good people who have all kinds of political views. Working to make a living, pay the bills, feed the kids. We heard all about this guy being a tea-bagging psycho. We heard all about the shooter at the Holocaust museum being a red neck white supremisist( howeverthefukitspelled), but the Fort Hood mass murderer can't be called a fanatical Islamic Jihadist killer? Don't want to offend anyone? Time to call a pig a pig. This guy was the ultimate Coward. Like all terrorists.

GBBob 02-19-2010 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF
I feel bad for this guy's family, and the families of those injured or killed. The guy was deranged to do this sh!t. I hate paying taxes as much as any red blooded American but I never blamed the IRS for having to pay taxes. I know people who work for the IRS. Good people who have all kinds of political views. Working to make a living, pay the bills, feed the kids. We heard all about this guy being a tea-bagging psycho. We heard all about the shooter at the Holocaust museum being a red neck white supremisist( howeverthefukitspelled), but the Fort Hood mass murderer can't be called a fanatical Islamic Jihadist killer? Don't want to offend anyone? Time to call a pig a pig. This guy was the ultimate Coward. Like all terrorists.

I agree with you. Unfortunately, this has combined the guilty until proven innocent method of the IRS, with a cowardly act of a deranged person. But just because one is unjustified, doesn't mean the other is.

SOREHOOF 02-19-2010 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
I agree with you. Unfortunately, this has combined the guilty until proven innocent method of the IRS, with a cowardly act of a deranged person. But just because one is unjustified, doesn't mean the other is.

The law is the law. Unfortunately, everyone owes what they owe. Make an honest effort to pay it like most Americans. B!tching about it is one thing, going on a suicidal killing spree is quite another.

GBBob 02-19-2010 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF
The law is the law. Unfortunately, everyone owes what they owe. Make an honest effort to pay it like most Americans. B!tching about it is one thing, going on a suicidal killing spree is quite another.

I'm not sure if you have ever tried to deal with the IRS, even after they finally admit you are right, but it is a very tortuerous process. It's so easy to say just pay what you owe, but in reality, that isn't how it happens.

timmgirvan 02-20-2010 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
I'm not sure if you have ever tried to deal with the IRS, even after they finally admit you are right, but it is a very tortuerous process. It's so easy to say just pay what you owe, but in reality, that isn't how it happens.

The IRS is every man's nightmare! One hand doesn't know what the other is doing, 20,000 pages of tax law, new laws written every year, ever hear of VAT?

SOREHOOF 02-21-2010 07:28 AM

Flat tax would be better than VAT. With VAT you never really know how much of the listed price is tax.

timmgirvan 02-21-2010 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF
Flat tax would be better than VAT. With VAT you never really know how much of the listed price is tax.

FAIR tax is the way to go

SOREHOOF 02-21-2010 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
FAIR tax is the way to go

Amen.

AeWingnut 02-22-2010 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
just for the record no one at my work discussed this at all.

i hope if the conversation starts tomorrow it doesn't run along the lines here.

when you start sympathizing with people flying planes into buildings you've moved outside my comfort zone.

i guess i still need to get used to the idea that's a normal attitude.


no, they were not saying they agreed with flying a plane into the building
they agreed the IRS is abusive.

sorry you needed to take it another way

AeWingnut 02-22-2010 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBBob
I'm not sure if you have ever tried to deal with the IRS, even after they finally admit you are right, but it is a very tortuerous process. It's so easy to say just pay what you owe, but in reality, that isn't how it happens.


I have a friend that went into tax court and the judge sided with him. Not long after that, he gets another letter from the IRS saying pay up or else. it never ends.

he gets checks from them all the time and refuses to cash any of them.


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