would quality road have beat zen in the b.c.
 

with the performance he tossed in the donn. if he would have loaded in the breeders cup classic do you think he would have ruined zenyattas big party..

he'd have not only won, he would have lapped the field. :D

I guess it would have depended on how well he handled the fake turf!!

Not over that track, and I am his biggest fan.

Has a Hard-On for Gulfstream. If they ran the Derby at Gulfstream, Todd Pletcher would of won it 3 times by now. Just wind them up, and watch how they keep on keeping on.

I'm his biggest fan. :p

Woulda, Coulda, and Shoulda = Scoreboard's 3 lil toothless bitches.

Elusive Quality sired the previous BC Classic winner over that track - the mighty Ravens Pass.

I don't think that would have mattered very much. Quality Road has just way too much natural speed to be as good on synthetic going 10fs as he would be on dirt.

Thanks for the daily reminder of how you have ZERO clue.

:rolleyes:

i was being facetious. sorry it went over your head.

No. Not a chance on a track that regularly eats runners with his style for lunch....whether they're exceptional or not.

true, speed going 2 turns is toast.....i just hope both get to churchill in fine order and we can see what happens.

On any real sort of track, he's a bit 10f-limited. She is a 10f horse.

I think they would have dead heated.

Icon Project would have run third.

No way does Quality Road win that race imo.

How is he 10f limited?

because of how he ran in the Travers after being illogically rushed into making the race off of feet trouble and with only a single 6.5f prep a few weeks earlier. Breaking poorly at the start costing himself position hurt his chances as well and made the likelyhood of a non-effort that much greater.

He was a fairly competitive 3rd in that race despite all kinds of reasons to not fire.

A lot gets lost on the internet in coversation.
you need to learn to use the fat man symbol, if you are joking......i.e:rolleyes:

it's why i used the big cheesy grin-i was hoping it would work. that and people knowing i don't give out heaps of praise for the most part.

O.K., really, I don't know how in the hell this is happening, but it's the same situation as with St. Trinians, and Sidney's Candy. We'll pass on the race you say was troubled. Go to the following race (J.C. G CUP.) The horse is enjoying the track. The track may have bothered some that day, but not the top 2. He's playing on the front of a 24.96, 49.73, 113.12 pace. If he is a 10f horse, then there is no reason why he shouldn't outfinish all comers in there. Look at the head-on version of the race. He looks nice on the far turn. So, if it was 9f, I think he holds off the winner in that. It's the final eighth that gets him. Look at his left front. That twirling lasso crap doesn't help. Do you really think this horse can hold a horse like Zenyatta off going 10f when he's tired, n' twirling a lasso? Better be at Gulfstream, or Monmouth. It's probably not gunna happen at Belmont, Churchill, Anita etc. He would need to catch a particularly fast track. No doubt, he is terrific at Gulfstream. Anywhere else, I really think he's much better off going 9f or less. BTW, I thought this twirler (C. Reality) was gunna win the Breeders Cup Classic. He could EASILY beat Alysheba on what looks like a fast HWD STRIP. Wasn't quite the same when the footing changed. Look at him twirl in the stretch at Churchill. On one surface (fast dirt,) he's was awesome, but not when the surface changed. So, if you get that super fast dirt track, yea, Quality Road can win a big race going 10f.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-42Fzs7FKA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oksnqhosh8

While it's true that he's no Yankee Bravo ... I think you fail to realize that the Jockey Club Gold Cup was just Quality Road's 3rd start in over 6 months time.

There was nothing wrong with QR's performance either - the track was wet and slow - Fabulous Strike was nailed late by Kodiak Kowboy in the Vosburgh and a race featuring the two best sprinters in the world went in a very slow raw time of 1:10.08

They start on something of a dog leg turn at Belmont at 10fs - and the pace was hardly as slow as you think given the condition of the track. Getting beat one length by a Belmont and Travers winner - and running a 110 Beyer is no great disgrace.

I didn't say there's anything wrong with any of his performances. He's just not a natural 10f horse. When they leave Gulfstream, you'll see he will struggle to hold going 10f against the top natural 10f horses. He might get home in some weak 10f stakes. They'll think they have a 10f horse, but they don't. They should point to the B.C. Sprint, or MILE. That's probably not what they want. So, he'll fade in the last 8th of a mile in the Classic (twirling away.. ala Cutless Reality 22 years earlier.)

Please stop. He beat a bunch of dog biscuits and sat a perfect trip. He wouldn't want to see that big Bi tch come rolling you can believe that

What if he got a perfect trip against Zenyatta? I mean unless it's the BC, how many horses really are going to face Quality Road and Zenyatta if they ever met up before then? So it would be a small field probably.

i bet on him in the BC. ......i was happy getting my money back, he was in no condition to race. i kind of think hes better than all these horses but his "issues" hold him back....feet and tempermant. he might not of run on that polycrap anyway but at 11-1, why not? at 4 hes faster and stronger IF he holds things together,hes probably going to steal alot of thunder this year. especially on these fast dirt tracks. If they wanted a serious 5 million dolllar race at oaklawn they would of made it open, instead of restricted because at a mile and an eighth quality road is looking unbeatable.

He would need a perfect trip against her to win. That field in Florida was really poor he's supposed to beat those by whatever he wants

He would kill her on a dirt track. It would be a total mismatch.

Stoooooooooooop. You speed figure guys and Vol Jack.

They all need to hook up in the Met Mile then again at Saratoga.
Zenyatta would have had NO SHOT in the Donn.
However, at a more fair palying track like Bel or Spa....She would be very tough.

to borrow an analogy from the "Sports Guy", I think Zenyatta is the classic example of "the Milton Berle Theory"... I really think that she does just enough to win, EVERY TIME, and I don't see QR, Rachel or St. T., beating her under any circumstances on any track...

how could that theory not be applied to Rachel also?

It's also a theory used by hopeless gamblers who consistantly lose more than takeout

Not knocking Rachel, but I believe she (to stay in line with the theme) "let it all hang out" to holdoff Macho Again in the Woodward. We've ever seen Zenyatta really do anything more that what it takes to win...

DrugS until Zenyatta has a dirt resume who can you tell? Why do you think she can't improve on dirt? I am with you that dirt race dynamics will hinder her but until we see we are all guessing eitherway!

Bid - you made a big deal when I told you Zenyatta would beat your beloved Nashoba's Key.

Not that Zenyatta has done anything to prove that I was right.

Your star Nashoba's Key won the major races out there and was never threatened on synthetics .... so maybe I was wrong about Zenyatta being better than her.

How are we guessing?

Every single race by Quality Road on dirt save his 2nd career start is vastly superior to Zenyatta's one unimpressive dirt win in the Apple Blossom.

If you think that Zenyatta is some vastly improved race horse since that race - that's your problem.

Vastly improved... probably not. Improved, probably... but, I don't think it matters, I think she's just better.

It's a very close cousin of " time only matters in jail. "

6 year old mares vs. Improving 4 year old colts is not a typically a good spot for the mare.. I guess you would be extremely impressed if she beats him.. I dont think she will either but?