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ateamstupid 02-10-2010 04:35 PM

Rachel Alexandra-Zenyatta set for Apple Blossom confrontation
 
http://www.drf.com/news/article/110706.html

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The highly anticipated showdown between Horse of the Year Rachel Alexandra and the undefeated multiple champion Zenyatta will not take place in the Apple Blossom Invitational at Oaklawn Park on April 3.

Owner Jess Jackson announced in a press release late Wednesday afternoon that Rachel Alexandra would not be ready to run in the Apple Blossom. Oaklawn Park had raised the purse of that race to $5 million from $500,000 if both horses showed up.
Here we go. :rolleyes:

Bigsmc 02-10-2010 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Booth Operator in 5...4...3...2...1

NTamm1215 02-10-2010 04:48 PM

I'll just save him the time.

Big Mama ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz:tro: :tro:

Rachel Alexandra :cool: :cool:

-BT- 02-10-2010 05:26 PM

Assman said in DRF this past weekend that from a timing standpoint it wouldn't be ideal

go figure:rolleyes:

anyone know her next scheduled race anyways?

-bt-

Danzig 02-10-2010 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
I'll just save him the time.

Big Mama ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz:tro: :tro:

Rachel Alexandra :cool: :cool:


er, he would have said lucky, not rachel! otherwise, spot on.

hoovesupsideyourhead 02-10-2010 06:56 PM

belmont

DaTruth 02-10-2010 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by -BT-
Assman said in DRF this past weekend that from a timing standpoint it wouldn't be ideal

go figure:rolleyes:

anyone know her next scheduled race anyways?

-bt-

If the earliest she will be ready for a prep is in the middle of March, that puts the 3/13 stakes at FG in play. If she isn't ready then, I imagine FG will work with Asmussen and Jackson to come up with something to get her prep race in before the meet ends. Who knows, it could end up being the NO Hcp at the end of March. Then I guess it is on to the La Troienne.

letswastemoney 02-10-2010 07:47 PM

This is just like when Seabiscuit and War Admiral kept ducking each other

Smooth Operator 02-10-2010 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
er, he would have said lucky, not rachel!

Ducky Alexander :D

copying 02-11-2010 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
This is just like when Seabiscuit and War Admiral kept ducking each other

According to the movie, it was WA that was doing the ducking.

johnjaydog95 02-11-2010 07:03 AM

Unsurprisingly, the genius commenters at the Paulick Report have decided that this is because Rachel's connections will only run her in the best circumstances, where they know absolutely that she'll win. Unlike Zenyatta's connections who are known for taking big risks....

GBBob 02-11-2010 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by johnjaydog95
Unsurprisingly, the genius commenters at the Paulick Report have decided that this is because Rachel's connections will only run her in the best circumstances, where they know absolutely that she'll win. Unlike Zenyatta's connections who are known for taking big risks....

That's pretty funny

Merlinsky 02-11-2010 07:32 AM

Does anybody else have the feeling Jess Jackson's playing his own private version of horse racing Madlibs?

johnny pinwheel 02-11-2010 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardus
Realistically, who anticipated an Apple Blossom showdown?

not me but i think the race will happen if rachel runs again. i'm hoping its in open company anyway. its clear that the fillies and mares are no match for either one of these horses. i want to see a real race with a real field. they put that kind of money up (5 mill). you could get a pretty good race not rachel , zenyatta and 4 or 5 scrubs from the female division.

tector 02-11-2010 08:58 AM

In other news, some snow is anticipated this winter....

GPK 02-11-2010 09:20 AM

"Out of respect for the level of competition and then importance of this race, I have told Mr. Jackson it was not in the bet interest of the horse to race on April 3," Steve Asmussen, trainer of Rachel Alexandra, said in the press release. "Getting to this level of fitness after a six-month layoff takes time. If all goes according to schedule, and we don't have any further weather delays, the earliest we could have a prep race would be the middle of March. It is then not fair to Rachel to ask her to race again three weeks later."


Give me a f*cking break. Now I am a huge fan of Rachel (as PG would say, she's a STUD), but not fair to ask her to race again 3 weeks later??? FFS, just retire her then. What a crock of sh*t.

Antitrust32 02-11-2010 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK
"Out of respect for the level of competition and then importance of this race, I have told Mr. Jackson it was not in the bet interest of the horse to race on April 3," Steve Asmussen, trainer of Rachel Alexandra, said in the press release. "Getting to this level of fitness after a six-month layoff takes time. If all goes according to schedule, and we don't have any further weather delays, the earliest we could have a prep race would be the middle of March. It is then not fair to Rachel to ask her to race again three weeks later."


Give me a f*cking break. Now I am a huge fan of Rachel (as PG would say, she's a STUD), but not fair to ask her to race again 3 weeks later??? FFS, just retire her then. What a crock of sh*t.

so off of a 27 week layoff she should go twice in three weeks??

tector 02-11-2010 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK
"Out of respect for the level of competition and then importance of this race, I have told Mr. Jackson it was not in the bet interest of the horse to race on April 3," Steve Asmussen, trainer of Rachel Alexandra, said in the press release. "Getting to this level of fitness after a six-month layoff takes time. If all goes according to schedule, and we don't have any further weather delays, the earliest we could have a prep race would be the middle of March. It is then not fair to Rachel to ask her to race again three weeks later."


Give me a f*cking break. Now I am a huge fan of Rachel (as PG would say, she's a STUD), but not fair to ask her to race again 3 weeks later??? FFS, just retire her then. What a crock of sh*t.

Quality Road just ran in very early February...he's next scheduled to start on Memorial Day. Maybe he gets a prep, maybe he doesn't. Welcome to the modern world.

I am an agnostic on the issue of whether horses are faster now than before (see that thread), but if they are it is just possible they are (in part) because of the way they are raced today. It's like people complaing "pitchers used to have 25% more starts per year, with 300% more complete games!" So? What does that tell me, beyond the numbers themselves? Are teams getting more or less out of their pitchers today by using them the way they do? Do you think every manager is an idiot and you know better?

Everybody fricking relax and be patient. It is just a horse race.

GPK 02-11-2010 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
so off of a 27 week layoff she should go twice in three weeks??

Great horses in the past never did such a thing, did they?:rolleyes:

Duvalier 02-11-2010 09:39 AM

Great...looking forward to more of the great sportsman Jess Jackson's press releases.

tector 02-11-2010 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Great horses in the past never did such a thing, did they?:rolleyes:

What would we do without the Golden Ages of Yore in every sport.....

johnny pinwheel 02-11-2010 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Great horses in the past never did such a thing, did they?:rolleyes:

no, but they are faster and they probably are for about 5 and half furlongs....then they can't run for months and months......yeah, this is way better.....lol:D

dalakhani 02-11-2010 09:48 AM

Ive certainly sided with Zenyatta camp on most of these issues but I dont think you can really blame Assmussen for his stance. He is preparing her for an entire campaign not just one race.

Besides, the longer he waits, the money just gets bigger and Zenyatta just gets older. The clock is on his side...Jackson's mortality not withstanding.

Antitrust32 02-11-2010 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Great horses in the past never did such a thing, did they?:rolleyes:

not since I've been following racing since 1996 with a few exceptions

Danzig 02-11-2010 10:36 AM

regardless of where and how often we want these horses to race, we are at the complete mercy of the connections. hope you get to see them, but other than that, don't waste your time getting up in arms. all it'll do is raise your blood pressure.

tector 02-11-2010 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
regardless of where and how often we want these horses to race, we are at the complete mercy of the connections. hope you get to see them, but other than that, don't waste your time getting up in arms. all it'll do is raise your blood pressure.

True enough, but I kind of resent the implication of some that the connections are being "arbitrary". In every sport people try to get leverage--teams try to get home field advantage, if possible, the "where and when" of boxing bouts are haggled, etc. But I think both camps here want to do right by their animals as well. One frigging race in April is not the whole ball of wax. Seems obvious enough, but....

Indian Charlie 02-11-2010 11:50 AM

Ass makes total sense.

I think the absolute worst spot for those two to matchup would be RA's second start back.

I've seen many fast horses come off a long layoff run really well first time back and then regress the next time out.

Smooth Operator 02-11-2010 11:57 AM

Bobby would've had her ready...

Smooth Operator 02-11-2010 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK
"Out of respect for the level of competition and then importance of this race, I have told Mr. Jackson it was not in the bet interest of the horse to race on April 3," Steve Asmussen, trainer of Rachel Alexandra, said in the press release. "Getting to this level of fitness after a six-month layoff takes time. If all goes according to schedule, and we don't have any further weather delays, the earliest we could have a prep race would be the middle of March. It is then not fair to Rachel to ask her to race again three weeks later."

Pretty funny considering the fact that Z's prep is exactly three weeks before the Blossom … and she's the one doing most of the traveling.

Left Bank 02-11-2010 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator
Bobby would've had her ready...

Bobby would have BEAT her already!

Antitrust32 02-11-2010 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator
Pretty funny considering the fact that Z's prep is exactly three weeks before the Blossom … and she's the one doing most of the traveling.


haha Z and traveling in the same post!

Hilarious!

Lets see her travel before we come to those conclusions!

tector 02-11-2010 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
haha Z and traveling in the same post!

Hilarious!

Lets see her travel before we come to those conclusions!

I am sure they will. Last year's approach did not work, and there is the genuine prospect of a monster in the handicap ranks. They can't try to play the same hand again.

Danzig 02-11-2010 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tector
I am sure they will. Last year's approach did not work, and there is the genuine prospect of a monster in the handicap ranks. They can't try to play the same hand again.

they only have to travel once out of state. zenyatta can take on tougher than she did last year without leaving california.

any year but last, zenyatta did enough to win HOY. they don't have to alter much of anything.

freddymo 02-11-2010 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
they only have to travel once out of state. zenyatta can take on tougher than she did last year without leaving california.

any year but last, zenyatta did enough to win HOY. they don't have to alter much of anything.

really so do you suggest just shipping to the Classic at CD or do you think the Apple Blossom and a bunch Poly Races should be enough? Naybe she should go in the Zenyatta?lol

Patrick333 02-11-2010 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier
Great...looking forward to more of the great sportsman Jess Jackson's press releases.

He's a piece of work isn't he. Did he bother the Moss's in his press release?

Danzig 02-11-2010 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
really so do you suggest just shipping to the Classic at CD or do you think the Apple Blossom and a bunch Poly Races should be enough? Naybe she should go in the Zenyatta?lol

hey, i'd like to see her ship all over. just don't think they plan to ship out of state other than to cd in the fall.
but i don't think they can keep her only in distaff company all year like last year, and expect any year end awards.

hell, why leave cali-it's the awesomest state ever!! just ask smooth operator, he'll tell you.

Smooth Operator 02-11-2010 12:44 PM

Forget about Z for a second … does anyone have a clue as to what the reigning Horse-of-the-Year's schedule is this season???


We know she's gunna duck Z in the AB … and QR in the MM … but does anyone know which big races she actually might be pointing to before the BC????

Smooth Operator 02-11-2010 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
hell, why leave cali-it's the awesomest state ever!! just ask smooth operator, he'll tell you.

Actually it's a dead heat … CA and HI. :cool:

freddymo 02-11-2010 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator
Forget about Z for a second … does anyone have a clue as to what the reigning Horse-of-the-Year's schedule is this season???


We know she's gunna duck Z in the AB … and QR in the MM … but does anyone know which big races she actually might be pointing to before the BC????

I think is obvious, "The Lady Secret/Zenyatta and the other BS races Zenyatta barely won last year.. Then they can run in the BC Classic win and pander for HoY


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