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Kasept 02-09-2010 06:19 AM

Jayaramans end relationship with Ice; Summer Bird to Ritchey
 
Dr. and Mrs K.K. Jayaraman are ending their association with trainer Tim Ice, having removed their horses from his barn yesterday.

randallscott35 02-09-2010 07:01 AM

Any reason given?

freddymo 02-09-2010 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Dr. and Mrs K.K. Jayaraman are ending their association with trainer Tim Ice, having removed their horses from his barn yesterday.

Pletcher?

johnny pinwheel 02-09-2010 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Pletcher?

or assmussen.....lol

The Devil 02-09-2010 07:14 AM

Sorry to hear this. One year your on top of the world and next thing you know the world is on top of you. Good Luck Tim!

TouchOfGrey 02-09-2010 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Dr. and Mrs K.K. Jayaraman are ending their association with trainer Tim Ice, having removed their horses from his barn yesterday.

Why?

MisterB 02-09-2010 08:26 AM

Wonder if he still plans on coming to NY.

Sightseek 02-09-2010 08:41 AM

I noticed Repole moved several to Pletcher, hopefully they don't go that route too..

Tim did an excellent job with Summer Bird.

freddymo 02-09-2010 08:49 AM

Pletcher is currently in The Empire Strikes Back mode

TouchOfGrey 02-09-2010 09:12 AM

DRF:Summer Bird being moved to new barn
By Mary Rampellini

Trainer Tim Ice has been informed that he is being relieved of his duties as the trainer of champion Summer Bird as well as 24 other horses owned by K.K. and Vilasini Jayaraman. Ice, who is based at Oaklawn, said the loss of the horses will reduce his stable from 31 head to six.

It puts me almost out of business, Ice said.

K.K. Jayaraman said Tuesday morning he will be moving the horses, but a final decision on a new trainer has not yet been made.

I haven t decided anything yet, he said.

Ice said he believes a slow start to the meet, where he is 2 for 15, and a colt suffering a condylar fracture during a morning workout Sunday at Oaklawn led to the Jayaraman s decision. K.K. Jayaraman said there has been a breakdown in communication between he and Ice. Ice said he did not know where Summer Bird would be headed. Jayaraman, who has trained in the past himself, has had a number of trainers through the years.

I m just another trainer in a long line he s hired and fired, Ice said. But I do have empty stalls, and I m looking for new clients.

johnny pinwheel 02-09-2010 09:16 AM

the guy is a proven good trainer. i hope he gets some more clients soon.

freddymo 02-09-2010 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel
the guy is a proven good trainer. i hope he gets some more clients soon.

He is 35 had one year on his own and is a proven trainer? Why because he was lucky and got a G1 colt his first year? I don't know how good or not good he is but I know he isn't proven.

Habersham000 02-09-2010 09:25 AM

Most of Jayaraman's horses seem to be home breds with very below average pedigrees. You would have to have some very special oats to be doing any better then Ice has been doing with those horses. Good Luck to Tim, I hope you bounce back on your feet.

-BT- 02-09-2010 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
He is 35 had one year on his own and is a proven trainer? Why because he was lucky and got a G1 colt his first year? I don't know how good or not good he is but I know he isn't proven.


this could be a blessing in disguise

-bt-

freddymo 02-09-2010 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by -BT-
this could be a blessing in disguise

-bt-

Maybe certainly not ideal..I dont know the story but I wondering what the real deal is?

Scav 02-09-2010 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Maybe certainly not ideal..I dont know the story but I wondering what the real deal is?

exactly, you dont make the guy the money Ice made and then get thrown to the wolves like this without more

Thunder Gulch 02-09-2010 10:06 AM

Doctors...two of them...retired with more money than sense and an air of entitlement which leads to meddlesome micromanagement. Just my opinion, I could be wrong.:zz:

hoovesupsideyourhead 02-09-2010 10:08 AM

tough game..

Linny 02-09-2010 10:12 AM

They have gone through alot of trainers over the last decade or so. I hope Ice lands on his feet. He's a good young trainer and he certainly gave up alot to handle Summer Bird as he did all last year. Remember, he went where the colt went and missed the birth of his first child because of it. It shows a dedication to the game and the horse.

I read that Tim Ritchey is getting SB. Honestly, it seems that these owners may be more trouble then they are worth for the "Big Name" guys to bother with. It's not like they have a plethora of fabulously bred young horses every year.

gamblin4ever 02-09-2010 10:33 AM

I hope he gets an owner or 2 that has patiemce and lets him do things his way instead of theirs.

NTamm1215 02-09-2010 10:39 AM

The article's been updated:

http://www.drf.com/news/article/110667.html

Ritchey getting Summer Bird, a smattering of others each getting a horse.

NT

RockHardTen1985 02-09-2010 10:41 AM

Tim Ritchey

DaTruth 02-09-2010 11:35 AM

He ought to pick up some Labreds and stick to the Louisiana circuit for now.

Revidere 02-09-2010 12:35 PM

Happier times:








Sightseek 02-09-2010 12:41 PM

Great photos as always!

TouchOfGrey 02-09-2010 12:49 PM

What a handsome fellow. Very sorry for Tim Ice.

Left Bank 02-09-2010 03:27 PM

Not relevant,but does anyone have an idea of just exactly how many horses are in the Pletcher stable?

Patrick333 02-10-2010 06:38 AM

Great pictures. Thanks for sharing.

Danzig 02-10-2010 07:08 AM

it's a shame for tim, but we all know it's a part of the business. anyone looking for a reason for the change need only read the above, where tim has two wins at oaklawn thus far. i'm sure the jayaramans were hoping for better-so they've decided to make a change. but at least they didn't go with assmussen or pletcher!

richard 02-10-2010 07:30 AM

Very enjoyable pics.

richard burch 02-10-2010 07:50 AM

from todays daily news...

Owners of Belmont Stakes winner Summer Bird fire trainer Tim Ice due to 'mismanagement'

Tim Ice celebrated his 35th birthday in a unique way - standing in the winner's circle at Belmont Park after Summer Bird won the Belmont Stakes. Less than a year later, the trainer finds himself looking for work after being fired by owners Dr. Kalarikkal and Vilasini Jayaraman. Summer Bird and 24 other horses owned by the Jayaramans left Ice's barn at Oaklawn Park in Arkansas Tuesday.

"It broke my heart when he (Summer Bird) walked out of the barn," Ice said. "All I can do is start over and go forward with the six that I have left and rebuild my stable." It's nothing new for the Jayaramans to fire a trainer. Kalarikkal told the Daily Racing Form that they have gone through 82 public and seven private trainers since getting involved in the sport in the early 1980s.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...#ixzz0f8n25cwu

GBBob 02-10-2010 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by richard burch
from todays daily news...

It's nothing new for the Jayaramans to fire a trainer. Kalarikkal told the Daily Racing Form that they have gone through 82 public and seven private trainers since getting involved in the sport in the early 1980s.


:zz:

philcski 02-10-2010 09:27 AM

Anybody who goes through 82 trainers is certifiably crazy. Mismanagement my ass, you won three of the biggest races of the year and an Eclipse award under the care of a trainer who did a magnificent job.

Tim Ice will land on his feet. I talked to him at the Breeders Cup and he's a real good guy.

Echo Farm 02-10-2010 09:40 AM

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Tim Ritchey, who trained Afleet Alex to victories in the 2005 Preakness and Belmont Stakes, was named the new trainer of Summer Bird, along with some other Jayaraman horses.
Perhaps renowned thoroughbred trainer, radio personality, and spokesman for team Afleet Alex, J. J. Graci can re-join Tim and help him co-ordinate Summer Bird's campaign.

freddymo 02-10-2010 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Echo Farm
Perhaps renowned thoroughbred trainer, radio personality, and spokesman for team Afleet Alex, J. J. Graci can re-join Tim and help him co-ordinate Summer Bird's campaign.

Where is that hard knocking horse guy

2MinsToPost 02-10-2010 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Anybody who goes through 82 trainers is certifiably crazy. Mismanagement my ass, you won three of the biggest races of the year and an Eclipse award under the care of a trainer who did a magnificent job.

Tim Ice will land on his feet. I talked to him at the Breeders Cup and he's a real good guy.

I've worked for some micromanagers in the past and it makes life hell. Wow, big surprise. What have you done for me lately.

BellaGena Stable 02-10-2010 09:50 AM

I feel bad for Tim. I think he will draw owners with all the publicity that is around this. He might do better if he moved east but I am sure he will land on his feet. 82 trainers is just nuts. He has issues.

herkhorse 02-10-2010 09:56 AM

M. Night Jayaramans

DaTruth 02-10-2010 10:00 AM

How many horses will the Jayarmans send to Cole Norman when he returns?

eajinabi 02-10-2010 08:43 PM

The Jayramans probably need to get a trainers license of thier own and train thier own horses.


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