Thorn Song confusion furthers Zayat intrigue
 

hell of a way to find out thorn song is dead. have to say, when i saw the title i was worried...

douche!!!

Zayat seems like a real gem.

Z Fraudster

wow

"Trainer Mike Mitchell said at the time that Thorn Song, the son of Unbridled's Song, was unlikely to make the Breeders' Cup, where he had been a leading contender for the Mile. "It's a small chance," Mitchell told the Form."

ummmm....small chance eh? Did Mitchell think he could get Thorn Song to rise from the dead?

How did he die anyway? From the foot abscess?

A guess would be he foundered.

I have seen Mitchell do some pretty amazing things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1eDxB94YjE

what a beauty, and a beauty of an effort.

think romans had him for this race right?

Bizarre.....I've seen everything now :mad:

this is nothing new in the horse industry, I mean strange deaths for insurance cash..:eek:

Just a curiosity, where there BC Future Bets made on this horse after the day he died? If there were, shouldn't Zayat be charged with fraud because of this? He had inside information, that his horse was dead. If this occurred in the stock market, he would have been in taken care already.

He might be a JO? A lot of folks lined their pockets selling him stock at ridiculous prices. I dont discount he might not be a great guy? He did THROW millions into the game at the top of the market and that has got to hurt.

Never thought I would say this but I am rooting for the Bank.

Why whats the bank going to do for you or RACING? You could be thinking about how crappy it is to come into a business and be fed to wolves for millions. Sanaan talks about how he got mauled by Bloodstock agents and other crimnals, you think it's great news that Zayat, who seemed to want to be a huge part in the sport is broke? I don't, I just thinks its another sad commentary on the sport. While I am sure Zayat is no saint, the sport needs owners spending 10 15 mil a year on racing not thieves lining their pockets waiting for the next sucker.

Actually Fifth Third is one of the leading banks in racing. Many banks wont extend credit for something as risky and 5/3 has kept many racing/breeding operations afloat when times are bad.
Banks lend money and charge interest on it. Both parties have to agree to the deal. Banks treat the superrich differently from the average schmoe. Thy extend more credit and offer more generous terms so that when they superrich client will transfer more business to them once the immediate need for creit if past. Fifth Third was probably pretty sure that Zayat had a temporary need for extra cash and would be able to repay soon. It appears that not only was that not the case, he had chosen NOT to disclose a large insurance settlement that could have been used to offset debt. If it is determined that the value of Thorn Song was used as collateral for the loan it is all the more a problem as Zayat, by collateraizing the horse effectively made 5/3 a partner in the horse. You cannot destroy collateral and accept an insurance payment on it and then not inform the leander that it is gone.

Also, the JC rules say that owners are reuired to submit a death certificate to the JC if they have papers. Zayat didn't do so which begs a few more questions. Does he have the papers? Does Fifth Third Bank have them? Was he just trying to be sure that no record of the death was avaialble? Why?

Dude, cool your jets. I was speaking to hiding the death of the horse to hide the fact that he received insurance money. I hear what you are saying but I can't give him a pass just because he is in the business just like I don't give Tanaka or David H Brooks a pass because they were in the business.

RIP Thorn Song

What I will never get ... is how so many of these owners with so much money to start with always have a knack of finding the thieves who rob them blind.

It's easy for an exotic dancer to get money from you when its 3am and you are alone in the private lounge. I think it's the same principle, you are intoxicated with the dream and the only thing that matters is the dream.. sort of like you today at Denny's. You heard about the free breakfast last week and the realty of today was the only thing that you could think about till you stiffed the poor waitress after you were done.. lol

Speaking of strippers, on the news they were talking about a club running promos of lap dances for a cause to benefit Haiti. Who says strippers are bad people?! :D

I shake for the quake?

I really don't enjoy strip clubs at all. To each his own, but I just don't get how they're enjoyable....Lounges/clubs sure, strip clubs----not so much.

:D

get hammered drunk, listen to music, joke with your friends, and watch beautiful (not always) naked woman dancing sexy.. its fun when you are using other peoples money!! ;) (thanks Sniper)

I thought the same thing until I went to 'the cheetah' in Atlanta....NICE.

Is that where the NY Knicks used to get some extra attention? Stories in the papers a few years back.

There are no Denny's around here.... sadly.

Who are you Tiger Woods?

I think Tiger was laying pipe in a Perkins waitress .....

We are infested with those around these parts.

You are correct Sir....Denny's and Perkins both awful.

Heck of a way to hear about Thorn Song. Too bad.

Seems like a good time to re-read "Wild Ride", if one wants to refresh about pyramid schemes, financial over-extension, bloodsucking agents, and financial fraud in a business that depends upon the performance of living animals to make money.

Did you apply for the raincheck on line?

Freddy .... I'm feeding the homeless prime rib buffets complete with free beer.... that's the difference between guys like you and me.

Sure, you probably buy meals for family and friends ... but when have you ever made an effort to round up our not so fortuante fellow degenerate crazies and unleash them?

Sort of like when Clark Griswald goes to the buffet with Cousin Eddie................"We only need 1 plate Clark"

cant believe im doing this but :tro: :tro: :tro:

THORN SONG ALIVE...

http://www.kentucky.com/horse_racing/story/1131477.html

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...nsurance-check

edit... and then there's this...

http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/wgoh/...n-liebman.aspx

i was hoping it would turn out an incorrect story, but thought the chances of that were nil.

they going to rename him lazarus, if in fact he's still alive? at this point i'd say someone needs to show the horse so we know for sure.