Anti-slaughter legislation gearing up again
 

https://secure.humanesociety.org/sit...Action&id=4351

I just got sent this on Twitter by the Humane Society and here's a link to the press release about the news conference for H.R. 503/S. 727 http://www.humanesociety.org/news/pr...ce_012610.html They're also working to deal differently with the wild horse roundups by the Bureau of Land Management, but I think ending transportation of American horses for slaughter is the primary objective.

I know many of us follow this kind of thing from many sides of the issue so I thought I'd give everybody a heads up. I didn't see a thread so I hope this isn't repetitive.

Are you oppossed to people farming horses for meat?

Why cows, lamb, goat, and chicken and not horses?

Horse meat is low in fat and full of healthy protein. I wouldnt wish to eat them but from what I understand the meat is lean and when cooked well it can be great?

That doesn't mean that slaughtering racehorses is something I wouldn't fight to stop BUT if you raised a horse for the purpose of it growing and then it was going to feed your family and you respected the animal and treated it well during its life, what is really the difference if its a horse cow pig or lamb. A pig is a hell of a lot smarter then a horse and can become very domesticated.

Goat meat? What are you Jamician?

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The buyers and sellers of horses have already prepared for this.I know of one horse company in particular that purchased land along the North Dakota/Canada border.They don't need to transport them,they just walk them across.I have heard of the same happening in the southern bordering states.So making a law against transport is futility.And what will this do for states that are already gearing up with their own plants?Nothing.And the ones going up on S.D. Indian territory?Notta,they are a sovereign nation.So it's all a bunch of nonsense spending time on making laws that will do nothing anyway.

you're right. the last law passed to ban slaughter here only made the trip that much longer, and more hellish, for the horses. i understand the intent-but we live in a real world, not a utopian one. i doubt one horse was saved by the legislation they passed. it would have been better to regulate what was happening. yeah, pols enjoy being able to say i helped horses, but it's not really the case at all.

It's a gross subject.

The issues with the law are a few- I looked it up and it bans the transport of horses for slaughter for human consumption- it doesn't say anything about transport for other kinds of uses. Right now, most pet food doesn't use horsemeat because it's more profitable to sell it for overseas human consumption. If that market dries up, what's to stop sellers from from selling it (cheaper) for pet food? Better to get some money than none.

In addition, I still see no attempt to deal with the overpopulation of horses. Just as banning slaughter for human consumption in the US just led to horses being transported long distances to unregulated slaughter houses (i.e., an even crueler fate), what is to stop owners from abandoning animals to starve slowly to death? I somehow doubt they'll suddenly see the light and pay over $200 to $300 to euthanize and dispose of each animal.

Zoos use horsemeat to feed their larger carnivores- as Freddymo said, it's a lean meat and pretty healthy to eat.

yes it is. and like most complex problems, it requires a complex solution. but humans being the lazy things they are, we want an easy painless solution to this, just like everything else.

michael gill getting out of the business (if he really does this time, we've been here before) might be a bad thing short term for his horses. but long term, wouldn't it be a good thing? less breeders, less demand, less horses, less need for sending slow horses somewhere. the breeders who get left out in the cold won't like it-but the fact remains that right now supply is far ahead of demand. and the horses pay.

There in lies the problem. There is no shortage of breeders, shitty mares, or crappy stallions. One has to ask - Does Indiana really need a breeding program?? Michigan?? Oregon?? etc...

As long as there is a supply and a demand, whether it be peanut butter, heroine, or horse flesh - there will be an economy for the commodity - regardless of the law.

I get it, but ironically, if it wasn't for Indiana's state bred program, our KY, FL, NY breds might not be still running all this year. We stand to make $100K in purses because of one Indiana bred this year. I understand it's ridiculous and I really understand the over breeding issues, but the State Bred programs like IL, IN, PA, etc can support a lot of the supposed "better" bred horses.

There is no doubt that over breeding is a huge problem, but to come down on the regional State-Breds isn't the answer.

The issue isnt the breeder programs its the fact that there are 50k races. IF you cut the racing to 30k a lot of the state bred, racing would be targets.

The question to ask is: Are Statebred programs encouraging the right owners to participate in the sport, or would racing(horses) be better off without the programs?

Do you feel state programs are attracting the types of owners that can help the sport recover?

As an aside, Top Royelle is due to drop Monday...hoping for the best

Where is she dropping Pa?

you know the answer to that...Illinois

good luck, post pics! who's the daddy?

Dehere...hoping for pics myself.

That's great..I think mine is 7 weeks away

PA, right?

New York

Top Royelle had a big Dehere filly this morning. Mom and foal are doing well.

I am sweating people for pictures as I type this.

Very nice.. Are you breeding back on her foal heat? If so, how about Repent 5k, he is getting a lot of runners

glad to hear they're doing well. look forward to seeing some pics if you're able to get them.

She is going to Cactus Ridge. Once she gets back to Kentucky (next week sometime) we'll figure it out. For us, early foals really aren't all that important because we are not selling any of the foals.

Bob's Bean is going to Notional for 2010, and Wundelia is going to Yes Its True.

I thought Chuck hated Yes Its True? Your boxing up the foal in a week? Cactus is in KY? I thought NY?

When we spoke about Yes Its True, I thought he orgasm'd. Complete outcross with Wundelia which he has had some success with, I saw two colts that Three Chimneys had on Day 5 of the sale that looked like stone cold runners. Looked like two year olds already in September of yearling year.

Depends on how they are doing but yes, ship them back to KY in 7-10 days.

Cactus Ridge is at Vinery Kentucky now, he matched really well with her.

3 Chimneys had runners? I am going to breed mine to Repent, they all seem to get to the races and sometimes they actually make money.

Outcrossing is that in vogue again?

If you have the time it is best to produce home breds. Good luck to all .

I just saw Repent moved to NY, you can get both the NY breeders/owners awards and race against NY breds. Very positive.

In Indiana, just for Appoint's wins, we get a 20% owners award on the total purse. If we were the breeders, look out, make more from owner and breeder award then winning the race. Indiana sired and you can make 30k in awards off a 30k total purse.

No, 3 Chim was pimpin them at the yearling sale, but they looked really really good. They were all good people over there, and there is the daughter of a trainer that works there that, holy smokes ! :)

I don't know, but Yes Its True is a damn good stallion, so it should be interesting to see what he can produce with Wundelia as an IL bred. Not many Yes Its True caliber within the IL ranks unless you are Chris Block.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ay-in-congress

They're bringing back legislation to stop transport of horses to Canada and Mexico for slaughter again. From her remarks on this, I'm guessing Rep. Wallis (R) from Wyoming is also against the federal drug legislation efforts.

I think that there are certain animals we don’t eat in this country.(for whatever reason)

dogs
cats
parrots
slugs
rodents
Prairie dogs
etc...

I believe horses should be on that list.
It's safe to say that you’re not going to see those items at TGIF or Appleby's.

The hunters who eat their deer, turkeys, and whatever else they get pleasure in killing. Fine with me.

But when was the last time you heard of someone going out hunting horse for food? Even Ted Nugent doesn't do that!
I mean they are out there in the wild! Go shoot one if you’re that hungry and you desire the taste of horse meat.

To put them through a horrible death and eat them just because we don’t know what to do with them when they are not of any use to us anymore is just stupid. We should be defending them not killing them. There is nothing good about horse slaughter, period. (nobody's going to eat them anyway)

We don’t raise horses to eat. We never did as far as I know. In the 1700's and 1800's you do what you did to survive. I get that, but horses deserve the respect of us because they went to war with us and were used to help build this country. How many horses died in the civil war for us? How many horses died carrying wounded soldiers to hospitals for us? How many railroads were built using horses?

Give the horses a break. They are part of this nation’s heritage.

The horse racing industry can't save them all but they should try harder to save their own.

So donate to your local thoroughbred retirement organization and feel good.

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Just donated to Finger Lakes Thoroughbred Retirement. My fav char. :{>:
http://fingerlakestap.org/

I was given the number of a guy last week who buys horses here in central KY. They are kept here or sent to feedlots in TN. When they have enough for a load they are trucked to New Orleans and put on a boat. They take them 12 miles offshore, out of US water and slaughter then at sea. Process on the boat and return to shore where its shipped overseas or sold black market here. There will ALWAYS be a way around any legislation. What we need is a comprehensive euthanasia plan. In Puerto Ricotrainers can have an unwanted animal euthanized at the track for something like 15 bucks.

Very well said richard burch.

Give the horses a break. They are part of this nation’s heritage.

I think that there are certain animals we don’t eat in this country.


paisjpq you make a great point

In Puerto Rico trainers can have an unwanted animal euthanized at the track for something like 15 bucks.

WARNING - MY VENT

We must insist that we deal with our country's unwanted horses humanly. Not all can be saved but none of our horses should be slaughtered. As an American I get nauseous thinking about it. It's disgusting. I can't imagine what the people are like that slaughter horses for a living. Being brutally honest, I hope that those people go straight to hell one day.

We also need to get our arms around over breeding. That's part of the problem too. We produce way too many horses.

This is one hell of a topic and it turns my stomach to no end.:mad::(

Pigs are a lot smarter then horses..Do cows being slaughter make you feel better?

Piga and Cows are not companion animals, they are actually bred for their meat, horses are not. I understand not everyone wants to keep a horse till it dies of natural causes, but than have the balls or guts to euthanize that animal that served you for your pleasure, instead of capitalizing on their grisly death. I have a 22 year old rotten, mean as hell gelding, he's unsound, but I brought him into this world, he won numerous awards and ribbons for me and therefore has earned the right to be taken care of for the remainder of his life, he will be euthanized humanely when his time comes, if I can afford to do this, than people 100,000 times richer than me can, it's just a question of morals and how you truly view your horses.