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Kasept 02-03-2010 02:20 PM

2/6 (GP) Donn H. & GP Turf H. (G1's); Suwanee River S. (G3)
 
9th (5:18) Gulfstream Park Turf H. (G1)

1 1/8 Miles (Turf) | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Le Grand Cru Lezcano J 114 L
2 Yate's Black Cat Desormeaux K J 117 L
3 Court Vision Albarado R J 121 L
4 Never On Sunday (FR) Bravo J 119 FTL
5 Take the Points Prado E S 120 L
6 Adagio (GB) Velasquez C 111 L



10th (5:45) Donn H. (G1)

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 Kiss the Kid Castro E 117 L
2 You and I Forever Trujillo E 115 L
3 Duke of Mischief Coa E M 117 L
4 Quality Road Velazquez J R 123 L
5 Dry Martini Castellano J J 117 L
6 Past the Point Prado E S 114 L
7 Helsinki Albarado R J 113 L
8 Mambo Meister Desormeaux K J 117 L
9 Dubai Gold Lezcano J 113 L
10 Delightful Kiss Leyva J C 116 L



11th (6:07) Suwannee River S. (G3)

1 1/8 Miles (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $125,000

1 Aaroness Trujillo E 118 L
2 Sweet and Flawless Maragh R 118 L
3 Crawford County Bravo J 118 L
4 Long Approach Desormeaux K J 118 L
5 Cable Garcia Alan 118 L
6 Astrologie (FR) Dominguez R A 122 L
7 Indigo North Prado E S 120 L
8 Lemonette Velasquez C 122 L
9 In My Glory Castanon J L 118 L
10 Good Time Sally Castro E 118 L
11 Tottie (GB) Lezcano J 118 L
12 Lady Shakespeare Velazquez J R 122 L
MTO Miss Match (ARG) Lezcano J 118 L

RolloTomasi 02-03-2010 06:43 PM

That's annoying. Frontrunner Past The Point actually shows up in the Donn, but not Timber Reserve and Le Grand Cru. I thought the latter two would lead to a fast pace and/or hound Quality Road for position.

Instead, QR will likely be in a garden spot behind Past The Point who probably won't go crazy up front.

Meanwhile, in the turf race, is Adagio a rabbit for Court Vision?

freddymo 02-03-2010 06:58 PM

Is there a G1 horse save QRoad in this group? Is there any reason for G1 racing before 3/1 if not 4/1?

NTamm1215 02-03-2010 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
That's annoying. Frontrunner Past The Point actually shows up in the Donn, but not Timber Reserve and Le Grand Cru. I thought the latter two would lead to a fast pace and/or hound Quality Road for position.

Instead, QR will likely be in a garden spot behind Past The Point who probably won't go crazy up front.

Meanwhile, in the turf race, is Adagio a rabbit for Court Vision?

This seems like the perfect spot for Kent Desormeaux to do something off the wall with Mambo Meister. Quality Road is at his best (and Velazquez is as well) stalking from the outside of a rival, so getting him into position may be difficult. Even with early traffic trouble, if it exists, QR should absolutely man-handle that band of bums.

Court Vision will likely be 2/5 and yes, Adagio is likely a rabbit for him. I think the Chief may have been hustled to run Le Grand Cru there just to get six horses.

NT

blackthroatedwind 02-03-2010 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
That's annoying. Frontrunner Past The Point actually shows up in the Donn, but not Timber Reserve and Le Grand Cru. I thought the latter two would lead to a fast pace and/or hound Quality Road for position.

Instead, QR will likely be in a garden spot behind Past The Point who probably won't go crazy up front.

Meanwhile, in the turf race, is Adagio a rabbit for Court Vision?


I think it's even funnier that Past the Point is running in this race a year too late. He would have smothered the field last year.

Kind of like installing a surface a year after everyone else has figured out it sucks.

Coach Pants 02-03-2010 09:37 PM

What will be the odds on Take the Points?

5/2?

The Bid 02-03-2010 09:38 PM

Dedumbeaux is capable of anything. Nothing would surprise me

Gaining Ground 02-03-2010 10:36 PM

if never on sunday has any run left in him, he should be able to handle that field

hoovesupsideyourhead 02-04-2010 06:55 PM

is cable ever going to stay healthy long enough to be good

SOREHOOF 02-04-2010 08:05 PM

IF Quality Road doesn't fire this race is wide open. Every horse in this field has a prep over the track. Fun handicapping for the tri and super if you love Q.R. excellent opportunity for a score if you don't.

VOL JACK 02-04-2010 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bid
Dedumbeaux is capable of anything. Nothing would surprise me

He is the worst!

Mott would be a solid 8-10% points better without him.

hockey2315 02-04-2010 09:15 PM

I'll try to beat QR in the Pk3/4 w/ 3,5,10.

ateamstupid 02-06-2010 04:08 PM

Take the Points is the luckiest horse who ever lived if he survives this inquiry.

RolloTomasi 02-06-2010 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Take the Points is the luckiest horse who ever lived if he survives this inquiry.

It was like the '84 BC Classic there for a split second.

ateamstupid 02-06-2010 04:15 PM

If Bravo could keep that French nutcase horse straight he would've won it anyway.

the_fat_man 02-06-2010 04:17 PM

This really should be the last straw for Prado. It's gotten to the point where he's a menace out there. He just can't handle these horses like he once did and he's putting others at risk.

Hang it up, Edgar. You've sucked for a while but now you're at the point where you're going to kill someone (or yourself).

ateamstupid 02-06-2010 04:38 PM

Wow. I know he beat nothing, but damn.

eajinabi 02-06-2010 04:39 PM

Finally a real horse in the Handicap division

johnny pinwheel 02-06-2010 04:45 PM

other than the first race against winners the horse has laughed at every field on a fast track!

tector 02-06-2010 05:42 PM

Forget the crappy field, he beat the hell out of the clock all the way around the track.

That may be the best route Beyer we've seen in awhile.

tiznowthegreat 02-06-2010 05:43 PM

I'm probably one of the only people that hope RA and Zenyatta do not meet soon. I live close to Louisville so will undoubtedly attend the BC this year. I dream of a field for the BC classic of RA, Zenyatta facing eachother for the first time plus QR, a healthy Summer Bird, and hopefully a few good 3 yo plus maybe a few late developing good horses like Blame or others.

freddymo 02-06-2010 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tector
Forget the crappy field, he beat the hell out of the clock all the way around the track.

That may be the best route Beyer we've seen in awhile.

The race looks freaky fast. I have a huge issue with the whole day. The quarter claimers went the fastest 1 turn mile the filly allowance race won by the ok Mott and the slow Phipps second went faster then the Frankie allowance race where he looked solid beating a solid field in 38 and high change.. I don't pretend to understand Speed figures on anything other then a 101 level but QR mile is 134 and change?

freddymo 02-06-2010 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiznowthegreat
I'm probably one of the only people that hope RA and Zenyatta do not meet soon. I live close to Louisville so will undoubtedly attend the BC this year. I dream of a field for the BC classic of RA, Zenyatta facing eachother for the first time plus QR, a healthy Summer Bird, and hopefully a few good 3 yo plus maybe a few late developing good horses like Blame or others.

Summer Bird isn't in the others league..Musket Man needs to grow up a little but he has some talent

tiznowthegreat 02-06-2010 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo
Summer Bird isn't in the others league..Musket Man needs to grow up a little but he has some talent

I think Summer Bird would fit with those. A healthy I Want Revenge plus some talented 3yo's would make it a race for the ages. I realize I'm only dreaming though this far out.

pick4 02-06-2010 06:04 PM

Quality Road demolished this field the way he should have. It's early in the season and bigger and better races are in front of us. At least Quality Road showed his ability by relaxing off Past the Points and then running away with this race.

ateamstupid 02-06-2010 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo
The race looks freaky fast. I have a huge issue with the whole day. The quarter claimers went the fastest 1 turn mile the filly allowance race won by the ok Mott and the slow Phipps second went faster then the Frankie allowance race where he looked solid beating a solid field in 38 and high change.. I don't pretend to understand Speed figures on anything other then a 101 level but QR mile is 134 and change?

I disagree about Frankie's race. He beat Bank the Eight by a length. Bt8 is a decent horse but he's far from a star. Purely guessing, but I say WF comes back with a low-80s Beyer and QR's is between 115-120.

Gaining Ground 02-06-2010 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo
The race looks freaky fast. I have a huge issue with the whole day. The quarter claimers went the fastest 1 turn mile the filly allowance race won by the ok Mott and the slow Phipps second went faster then the Frankie allowance race where he looked solid beating a solid field in 38 and high change.. I don't pretend to understand Speed figures on anything other then a 101 level but QR mile is 134 and change?

there is no run up for the mile races. i dont think there was anyone solid in the wildcat frankie race, but after that 2nd quarter, it makes sense they came home so slow late.

freddymo 02-06-2010 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground
there is no run up for the mile races. i dont think there was anyone solid in the wildcat frankie race, but after that 2nd quarter, it makes sense they came home so slow late.

Actually I thought the participants were ok

ateamstupid 02-06-2010 06:37 PM

Bank the Eight's previous three Beyers: 74, 73, 74. How many points do you think he jumped up?

Soldier Field was the only other horse in the race with an 80 Beyer, and he didn't run a step. Wildcat Frankie is what he looked like on paper, a very nice sprinter with distance limitations.

Gaining Ground 02-06-2010 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Bank the Eight's previous three Beyers: 74, 73, 74. How many points do you think he jumped up?

Soldier Field was the only other horse in the race with an 80 Beyer, and he didn't run a step. Wildcat Frankie is what he looked like on paper, a very nice sprinter with distance limitations.

bank the eight got a 78. wildcat frankie got a 80.

philcski 02-06-2010 07:08 PM

It should be 52 points higher than the 1st race of the day. You can't really compare one turn with two turn races at GP because of the wacky runup/no runup issue...

VOL JACK 02-06-2010 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo
The race looks freaky fast. I have a huge issue with the whole day. The quarter claimers went the fastest 1 turn mile the filly allowance race won by the ok Mott and the slow Phipps second went faster then the Frankie allowance race where he looked solid beating a solid field in 38 and high change.. I don't pretend to understand Speed figures on anything other then a 101 level but QR mile is 134 and change?

You really think Frankie looked OK winning today?
While tiring on the wrong lead.:confused:

RockHardTen1985 02-06-2010 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski
It should be 52 points higher than the 1st race of the day. You can't really compare one turn with two turn races at GP because of the wacky runup/no runup issue...

I was thinking 136 but that might be a tad high.

Gaining Ground 02-06-2010 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski
It should be 52 points higher than the 1st race of the day. You can't really compare one turn with two turn races at GP because of the wacky runup/no runup issue...

your right 122. 1st race got a 70.

mbahadur 02-06-2010 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiznowthegreat
I'm probably one of the only people that hope RA and Zenyatta do not meet soon. I live close to Louisville so will undoubtedly attend the BC this year. I dream of a field for the BC classic of RA, Zenyatta facing eachother for the first time plus QR, a healthy Summer Bird, and hopefully a few good 3 yo plus maybe a few late developing good horses like Blame or others.

RA, Zenyatta, and Quality Road would be a dream field on dirt. I wonder who would go off favored after today's impressive performance by Quality Road. Churchill's dirt surface and long stretch will play differently than Gulfstream.

It sounds like Quality Road's next start will be the Met Mile but Pletcher will probably have to beat one of these horses in a BC Classic head-to-head matchup to get HOY. A dry track in Louisville in November is a risky proposition.

It will be interesting to see what BC ticket prices will be when they go on sale.

RolloTomasi 02-06-2010 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbahadur
RA, Zenyatta, and Quality Road would be a dream field on dirt. I wonder who would go off favored after today's impressive performance by Quality Road. Churchill's dirt surface and long stretch will play differently than Gulfstream.

It sounds like Quality Road's next start will be the Met Mile but Pletcher will probably have to beat one of these horses in a BC Classic head-to-head matchup to get HOY. A dry track in Louisville in November is a risky proposition.

It will be interesting to see what BC ticket prices will be when they go on sale.

I wonder if they'll go for the Carter first if they point to the Met Mile. There's not much else in April anyways outside of the Oaklawn Handicap, and it opens up an avenue towards a sprint title (Forego, Cigar Mile later on) on top of an handicap horse Eclipse.

freddymo 02-06-2010 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
I wonder if they'll go for the Carter first if they point to the Met Mile. There's not much else in April anyways outside of the Oaklawn Handicap, and it opens up an avenue towards a sprint title (Forego, Cigar Mile later on) on top of an handicap horse Eclipse.

The Carter while a real G1 is 250k.. I dont see how that flatters him in the shed.. The Met could be a great race IF Rachel comes back and improves off her 3 year old form. QR while JUICED with the new and improved TAP elixir has to be viewed as the single fastest horse in the world..

RolloTomasi 02-06-2010 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo
The Carter while a real G1 is 250k.. I dont see how that flatters him in the shed.. The Met could be a great race IF Rachel comes back and improves off her 3 year old form. QR while JUICED with the new and improved TAP elixir has to be viewed as the single fastest horse in the world..

Do multiple Eclipse awards flatter him in the shed?

freddymo 02-06-2010 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Do multiple Eclipse awards flatter him in the shed?

Vindication is a complete bust with his strawberry road kill. On the bottom. My beloved Smarty is 10k booked open. With Elusive on top. QR has a lot to prove before the bid mares move from DH,INDY,Smart Strike and Gcauseway head over?

RolloTomasi 02-07-2010 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo
Vindication is a complete bust with his strawberry road kill. On the bottom. My beloved Smarty is 10k booked open. With Elusive on top. QR has a lot to prove before the bid mares move from DH,INDY,Smart Strike and Gcauseway head over?

What does this have to do with winning multiple Eclipse awards?


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