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my miss storm cat 01-29-2010 07:25 PM

Cool n Collective
 
Nice piece on an old man, his owner, and love. :)

Hope he wins (and that he's retired).

http://www.drf.com/news/article/110456.html

randallscott35 01-29-2010 08:23 PM

If his owner loved him, he would've retired him the countless times he's owned him before. 13 years old.

Arletta 01-29-2010 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
If his owner loved him, he would've retired him the countless times he's owned him before. 13 years old.

Agreed... He has done enough.

Rudeboyelvis 01-29-2010 10:17 PM

>>>Repole said whatever happens Sunday - and beyond - he plans to find Cool n Collective a good home when the horse does eventually retire.

"If he wins I might retire him," Repole said. "It's not about the $16,000 purse. I might just write a big check to one of the foundations to take care of this horse."<<<


Nothing but class. One of the best owners in the game.

ArlJim78 01-31-2010 11:35 AM

Still game as ever at 13. Checked in second after leading throughout and dueling down the lane.

randallscott35 01-31-2010 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis
>>>Repole said whatever happens Sunday - and beyond - he plans to find Cool n Collective a good home when the horse does eventually retire.

"If he wins I might retire him," Repole said. "It's not about the $16,000 purse. I might just write a big check to one of the foundations to take care of this horse."<<<


Nothing but class. One of the best owners in the game.

I pray you are kidding.

NTamm1215 01-31-2010 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
I pray you are kidding.

What's wrong with Repole?

NT

randallscott35 01-31-2010 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
What's wrong with Repole?

NT

Read my earlier post. I bet money and won on Cool N Collective at the Big M when I was still in diapers....This horse should be retired. The idea that winning a race at 13 should give the owner some sort of rush.

Patrick333 01-31-2010 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Read my earlier post. I bet money and won on Cool N Collective at the Big M when I was still in diapers....This horse should be retired. The idea that winning a race at 13 should give the owner some sort of rush.

If the horse is sound and competitive, then let him run.

randallscott35 01-31-2010 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick333
If the horse is sound and competitive, then let him run.

Bullshit. He's 13, runs in wraps in the winter at AQ for 7500....He is the type that will break down trying. How'd Lava Man fair in the last after a few years off and being so sound frolicking in the field.....85 starts, give me a break.

NTamm1215 01-31-2010 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Read my earlier post. I bet money and won on Cool N Collective at the Big M when I was still in diapers....This horse should be retired. The idea that winning a race at 13 should give the owner some sort of rush.

Did he run like a horse that needed to be retired today?

Repole deserves no blame for this at all and in the grand scheme of things, I highly doubt he needs the money that will be earned by Cool N Collective, considering his personal worth. Repole has poured a lot of money into the game already and is the type of person we need to keep the game going. Aribitrarily assuming that a 13YO horse needs to be retired and that his owner is some POS for running him seems like a rush to judgment to me.

NT

Rudeboyelvis 01-31-2010 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick333
If the horse is sound and competitive, then let him run.

:tro:
That's one owner (not that there aren't many others) you don't need to worry about running broken horses to make a nickle.

randallscott35 01-31-2010 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Did he run like a horse that needed to be retired today?

Repole deserves no blame for this at all and in the grand scheme of things, I highly doubt he needs the money that will be earned by Cool N Collective, considering his personal worth. Repole has poured a lot of money into the game already and is the type of person we need to keep the game going. Aribitrarily assuming that a 13YO horse needs to be retired and that his owner is some POS for running him seems like a rush to judgment to me.

NT

Ironically if a horse does breakdown, it is too late to retire him at that point....Just don't tell me how much this horse means to you when you run him for 7500 at AQ, just don't...

blackthroatedwind 01-31-2010 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Ironically if a horse does breakdown, it is too late to retire him at that point....Just don't tell me how much this horse means to you when you run him for 7500 at AQ, just don't...


I don't understand how you feel it's OK for you to arbitrarily decide which horses should and shouldn't be racing. In other words, because of his age, Cool N Collective, according to you should not be racing, but others get your go ahead?

You do realize how ridiculous this is....right?

phystech 01-31-2010 07:26 PM

As an owner in this sport that I am so lucky to be a part of, I really get tired of reading posts from non-owners who feel it is their peragotive to determine when a horse needs to be retired. In watching the race, this horse was real competitive - can't ask for more than that.....

randallscott35 01-31-2010 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I don't understand how you feel it's OK for you to arbitrarily decide which horses should and shouldn't be racing. In other words, because of his age, Cool N Collective, according to you should not be racing, but others get your go ahead?

You do realize how ridiculous this is....right?


Andy, Run him all you want...Just don't fill up a DRF article saying how much you love this horse and then run him for that tag at 13....so if he got claimed for 7500, and ran back next week lame as hell for 10k, you'd have no bearing on it b'c you no longer own him....This is common sense, here. Age has less bearing than the back story. Apparently you need to read the DRF article again.

randallscott35 01-31-2010 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by phystech
As an owner in this sport that I am so lucky to be a part of, I really get tired of reading posts from non-owners who feel it is their peragotive to determine when a horse needs to be retired. In watching the race, this horse was real competitive - can't ask for more than that.....

Yawn, who gives a **** if you own horses, it makes your opinion worth as much as Michael Gill.

Rudeboyelvis 01-31-2010 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Bullshit. He's 13, runs in wraps in the winter at AQ for 7500....He is the type that will break down trying. How'd Lava Man fair in the last after a few years off and being so sound frolicking in the field.....85 starts, give me a break.

As an owner of racehorses in NY myself, I can tell you that I know Mr. Repole as well as his stable manager. I know firsthand their commitment to the game and more importantly their commitment to the horses they run.

With all due respect Randall, I appreciate your opinion, but you know not of which you speak.

NTamm1215 01-31-2010 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Andy, Run him all you want...Just don't fill up a DRF article saying how much you love this horse and then run him for that tag at 13....so if he got claimed for 7500, and ran back next week lame as hell for 10k, you'd have no bearing on it b'c you no longer own him....This is common sense, here. Age has less bearing than the back story. Apparently you need to read the DRF article again.

Did you read the article? He's re-claimed the horse multiple times. Did it also dawn on you that an article about a 13YO horse running was a nice feature story? If Repole was approached by Dave Grening for the story and agreed to do it should he have said, "Actually I hate the horse, he's expensive and I don't care what happens to him?"

NT

blackthroatedwind 01-31-2010 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Andy, Run him all you want...Just don't fill up a DRF article saying how much you love this horse and then run him for that tag at 13....so if he got claimed for 7500, and ran back next week lame as hell for 10k, you'd have no bearing on it b'c you no longer own him....This is common sense, here. Age has less bearing than the back story. Apparently you need to read the DRF article again.


Sorry, but this is uninformed sanctimonious drivel.

randallscott35 01-31-2010 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis
As an owner of racehorses in NY myself, I can tell you that I know Mr. Repole as well as his stable manager. I know firsthand their commitment to the game and more importantly their commitment to the horses they run.

With all due respect Randall, I appreciate your opinion, but you know not of which you speak.

Again, the owner card as if that makes your opinion any more valid....Good enough, tell me something. If Cool N Collective weren't a gelding, would he still be racing?

The Indomitable DrugS 01-31-2010 07:42 PM

if he weren't a gelding - he'd probably be gelded.

He'd be worth about $4.24 as a stallion if he was a full horse.

randallscott35 01-31-2010 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
if he weren't a gelding - he'd probably be gelded.

He'd be worth about $4.24 as a stallion if he was a full horse.

I wonder if Funny Cide could still run in a 7500 tag? I hear he likes peppermints also.....fine if that's what the owners wanted....but when you can't control who takes the horse, or what plate he ends up on in Japan, I'm guessing you lose your right to be ga ga about your claimer who will always have a good home.

Rudeboyelvis 01-31-2010 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Again, the owner card as if that makes your opinion any more valid....Good enough, tell me something. If Cool N Collective weren't a gelding, would he still be racing?

I don't know what intact nuts have to do with it. Sorry. The only "owner card" I have is that I know the people involved in the operation and know that your opinion, while entitled, is just that, and unfortunately void of fact.

It really sounds like it needs to be your mission in life to claim every horse in the country you feel shouldn't be on the track and give it a home. Or at least donate as much to the various thoroughbred retirement agencies to satisfy your judgments.

Coach Pants 01-31-2010 07:51 PM

Herschel Walker fought in a bottom level mma claimer last night and did alright.

Rudeboyelvis 01-31-2010 07:51 PM

Or That ^^^^^^^^

The Indomitable DrugS 01-31-2010 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
I wonder if Funny Cide could still run in a 7500 tag? I hear he likes peppermints also.....fine if that's what the owners wanted....but when you can't control who takes the horse, or what plate he ends up on in Japan, I'm guessing you lose your right to be ga ga about your claimer who will always have a good home.


Funny Cide would have been an excellent stallion prospect.

Cool and Collective would be about as hot of a stallion as East of Easy is right now.

randallscott35 01-31-2010 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Funny Cide would have been an excellent stallion prospect.

Cool and Collective would be about as hot of a stallion as East of Easy is right now.

Would he be a stallion or running at 13 with wraps and a nice win at Suffolk for 4k?

The Indomitable DrugS 01-31-2010 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Would he be a stallion or running at 13 with wraps and a nice win at Suffolk for 4k?

I can't imagine anyone who would accept breeding a mare to Cool N Collective for a stud fee of Free.

But who knows ... like I said ... I just saw a couple horses sired by East of Easy the other day. I think they ran at Penn or Charles Town or somewhere.

randallscott35 01-31-2010 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I can't imagine anyone who would accept breeding a mare to Cool N Collective for a stud fee of Free.

But who knows ... like I said ... I just saw a couple horses sired by East of Easy the other day. I think they ran at Penn or Charles Town or somewhere.

As a Canadian Bred? I'm sure he would get bred up there.

The Indomitable DrugS 01-31-2010 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
As a Canadian Bred? I'm sure he would get bred up there.


He's a $7,900 yearling purchase without much pedigree to him ... and his only career stakes win came in the Elgin Stakes.

Rudeboyelvis 01-31-2010 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
He's a $7,900 yearling purchase without much pedigree to him ... and his only career stakes win came in the Elgin Stakes.

DrugS, are there any sons of Ruhlmann standing? Anywhere? I'm not familiar with him other than I've seen a few serviceable mares by him.

randallscott35 01-31-2010 08:11 PM

By the way, I'm fine with taking heat in this thread. I don't think I called anyone a name on this thread. Laughable that being disagreed with means you are either "sanctimonious or a ****ing *******" but not shocked by that.

phystech 01-31-2010 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
LOL, ok.. The point I made is that being an owner makes zero difference when discussing this horse and issue. None.

And the point I made has EVERYTHING to do with being an owner. No one has the right to determine when I should retire any horse that's in my barn. I pay the biils, I take the risk so that's on me, not you or anyone that smells like you.

Until such time as you risk your $$ you have no right to tell ANYONE when their horse should be retired. Simple as that.....

The Indomitable DrugS 01-31-2010 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis
DrugS, are there any sons of Ruhlmann standing? Anywhere? I'm not familiar with him other than I've seen a few serviceable mares by him.

None that I know of.

blackthroatedwind 01-31-2010 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
By the way, I'm fine with taking heat in this thread. I don't think I called anyone a name on this thread. Laughable that being disagreed with means you are either "sanctimonious or a ****ing *******" but not shocked by that.

Don't play the pity card.

Your comments are sanctimonious.

randallscott35 01-31-2010 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by phystech
And the point I made has EVERYTHING to do with being an owner. No one has the right to determine when I should retire any horse that's in my barn. I pay the biils, I take the risk so that's on me, not you or anyone that smells like you.

Until such time as you risk your $$ you have no right to tell ANYONE when their horse should be retired. Simple as that.....

I agree with that. You missed the entire point. Which is not surprising based on your previous rant.

randallscott35 01-31-2010 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Don't play the pity card.

Your comments are sanctimonious.

If that horse broke down yesterday I am guessing you would be singing a different tune....If person "A" claimed that horse for 7500 and sent him to the meat man, would the owner still feel like the good owner?

phystech 01-31-2010 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
If that horse broke down yesterday I am guessing you would be singing a different tune....If person "A" claimed that horse for 7500 and sent him to the meat man, would the owner still feel like the good owner?

Any horse can break down at any time, whether it be a 3 yo or a 13 yo, so your garbage doesn't hold water with me. You seem to feel the need to capitalize on the horse's age as a reason it should be retired. Pretty easy for someone that has nothing invested in the game to make the call.....

blackthroatedwind 01-31-2010 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
If that horse broke down yesterday I am guessing you would be singing a different tune....If person "A" claimed that horse for 7500 and sent him to the meat man, would the owner still feel like the good owner?


You also, I assume, realize the ridiculousness of this post?


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