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Because of our tremendous foreign debt we are not masters of our own destiny.....any numbers of setbacks await us. Hopefully, we will be better prepared.

He's not "Very Liberal," but a lot of you folks are Very Conservative. Combine you being Very Conservative with him being a Black Male, and (regardless of his policies etc.) it's amazing how left you think he is. Seems like someone who is "Very Liberal" wouldn't be against Gay Marriage. Someone who is "Very Liberal" wouldn't have been this patient with Wall Street. I don't think someone who is "Very Liberal" would have gone kissing Pastor Rick's fat ass. What he's been is very optimistic about Republicans being willing to work with him(again, wouldn't of ever happened if he was "Very Liberal".) Hopefully, he's been burned enough, n' gets his head out of his ass.

Good luck man. You are 100% correct about this, but it is nearly impossible to make conservatives see that those of us who actually ARE very liberal would not classify the Obama administration as such. The administration is left of center for sure - and Obama personally might actually be very liberal - but his administration has not governed that way.

He could give as much a crap about gay marriage as he does about bringing home troops. This guy is all about control. Everything from retirement to healthcare to banking to who gives what in an election. Not to mention cows, SUVS, clunkers, mortgages, executive bonuses, etc etc......

What suprises me is the patience the dem party has displayed in that OB hasn't brought back any troops in fact he's increased them (in the two wars he was going to end) Gitmo still open, gays still can't marry, unemployment not only over 8% but 10% but hopefully everyone took part in cash for clunkers and not just junk yards and dealers in cahoots.

Best statement last night that brought bi-partisanship laughter was when he said he was going to freeze spending, just not this year and that's how budgets work.
Priceless for a 12yr wanting a new video game or a crack whore needing a fix but from the Pres of the U.S.?

I think there has been a "shifting baseline" in what is considered conservative. replace conservative with Liberty and liberal with Tyranny

notice I didn't say "Republican or Dem" although I am not aware of any dem being conserative there are way too many republicans that are not.

The federal government has no more power to outlaw health insurance than they do to force it down our throats.

As for your race comment - race is irrelevant. Do you believe anyone that voted for Obama will vote for this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP2p91dvm6M

Yep, and that's just 2 of the reasons why the poll response above is INCORRECT IN DESCRIBING HIM AS VERY LIBERAL.

he's not very liberal. it's why some of his fellow democrats are very unhappy with him. he's too liberal for any real conservative, but anyone who isn't to the right is 'too liberal' for them. if he was very liberal, then he would have already done away with don't ask, don't tell. he wouldnt' be asking for a spending freeze in most depts, while leaving defense alone.
this is why i shake my head when people start tossing out labels. generally, they are incorrect. just because obama is a democrat, doesn't mean he's liberal. the two don't necessarily go together. many credit clinton with the successes he had because he ruled from the center, which is where most people reside.
another example-the south generally has dems in local offices and congress-yet they generally vote republican in the national elections. kerry didn't win down here, and certainly neither did obama. folks here are pro-union (democrats lean that way) but they are for gun rights, and are generally anti-abortion and are religious. certainly aren't your 'typical' democrats. a democrat in massachusetts doesn't resemble one from california, and neither resemble one from here. it's why the two parties have such difficulty appealing to everyone-their agendas don't match everyone everywhere. yet they always expect their dems or reps to strictly vote party line-which engenders distrust and voting the opposite party in when they get angry-such as in mass. truly, independents rule these days-they aren't beholden to either party and don't vote just because 'well, i'm a dem, and he/she's a dem, so there's my vote'. i've voted for more democrats over the years than republicans, yet those on the left (such as scuds) accuse me of being a rep, while those on the far right say i'm too liberal. 'they' both get angry because i'm not on either ones side.-but don't realize that's true for many.

Race is not irrelevant. Many Blacks voted for him, because he was Black. Many Whites hate him far more than they would a White Dem with the same exact views. The guy in the video says "The Constitution says.." O.K., Right Away I know that's most likely an unfair person. 33% of Americans get an 8%say in whether that Healthcare Bill got through the Senate. That's due to the crap in the Constitution. It's biased. If your quoting it, then most likely you're for bias against some Americans. If you're quoting it with love, then you're often( but not always) backing the unfairness within it.

lol
it's only biased when you disagree with something that has happened. was it biased when they used it to give blacks the right to vote? or women? was it biased when slaveowners had to give up that practice? segregation? prayer in schools? whenever the minorities rights are protected altho many think 'majority rules'?
as for the most recent supreme court ruling allowing corporations and unions (something you see virtually no mention of) the ability to spend money on advertising, the rules that were in place regarding foreign entities, and regarding donations directly to pols are still in place.

this is from factcheck.org, excerpted from their article about his state of the union address:

Foreign Corporations Donating?

The president claimed that "foreign corporations" could begin spending big money to influence U.S. elections under a recent Supreme Court decision.

Obama: Last week the Supreme Court reversed a century of law that I believe will open the floodgates for special interests –- including foreign corporations –- to spend without limit in our elections.

Justice Samuel Alito, who with the other justices sat at the very front of the chamber last night, was seen shaking his head and mouthing what appeared to be the words "not true" as Obama said this. Alito joined the majority in the 5-4 Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission decision issued by the Court last week, which knocked down restrictions on corporate spending on elections.

But it’s unclear whether the court’s opinion will lead to allowing foreign-based corporations to buy campaign ads and engage in other electioneering activities. There is still a law barring foreign corporations from spending money in connection with U.S. elections (see 2 U.S.C. 441e(b)(3)), and that’s a matter likely to be litigated further. The court’s most recent decision explicitly didn’t deal with that question. But strictly speaking, Obama couched his claim as something "I believe," making it a statement of opinion and not of fact. So whether his view turns out to be right remains to be seen.

that's ridiculous!

62% of Obama's votes in 2008 came from whites. The racial thing is irrelevant.

Obama is a liberal. The idea that he isnt a liberal or acting as a "real" liberal is promoted because the far left is stomping thier feet. But he is a politician before he is a liberal and even he realizes that a lot of stuff that the radicals want simply will kill his reelection (not that what he has done isnt already doing it) chances. Not to mention that despite the coronation he is not a King and cant just wave his magic wand and make things happen or go away. The beauty of our system of government is the checks and balances that dont allow one man agenda's to be imposed. But seriously he is pro union, pro taxes, pro climate change, pro healthcare reform, anti business, pro abortion, pro gay rights, pro big govt, antiwar(despite his actions on the wars which he correctly knows he has to do), pro ACLU...I mean what anti liberal stance has he ever taken outside of the troop surge that he tried to appease liberals by announcing the date of the withdrawl before retracting it. As far as the economic stuff he is clueless about what to do and obviously just goes along with what his guys want.

Other than the last sentence, which I'll just pass on, I really can't disagree with what you wrote. The point of contention with Liberals is that he hasn't put the focus on the social liberal issues as much as "we" would like. That is understandable based on what this country was like when he took office, and seriously not a Bush blame here at all...sh*t happens...but, if he has to move to the Center, or even to the right to get things done, I much prefer it be over economic topics than social ones.

amen!! I just really dont understand why the "right" can't be pro gay rights either?? Makes no sense to me.

I would love conservative fiscal and economic policies and liberal social policies... Only way that happens is if we get a libertarian in office.

edit: by the way, when you coming to Ocala??

the issue, i thought, was whether he was 'very' liberal. at this point i would say no. like i said, clinton recognized the center, as a moderate dem, was the place to be. i'd think obama has seen the same writing on the wall. is he a liberal? sure.

i agree 100%!!
back when don't ask, don't tell was mentioned-since he said he wanted rid of it-obama said 'we need to focus on the economy, etc, etc'. all last fall, the exec and ledge were solely focused on health care, not just the economy. so, the suggestion that he couldn't have more than one iron in the fire at a time was bogus. it was an excuse by him not to do what he said he wanted to do. and it was most likely because he was already making some unhappy with his agenda, and didn't want to make more folks angry at him. but, he also said he would rather be a good one termer, than a mediocare two-termer...so i can't help but think he's not really being sincere on that score either.
but at least he did get rid of bushes stem cell ban.

because of the religious issue with the far right neo-cons. remember, sarah palin thinks you can pray gay away....
but i'd rather they just minded their own business, and stick to 'all are created equal'. it would be soooo much easier that way!

I don't understand how the constitution is racist. I am biased against leftist commie statist. I guess now that makes me a woman hater:)

yeah, I should be able to marry my dog and claim our puppies on my taxes


come on who are you to judge

this is unbelievable. WTF does that have to do with gay rights?

You compare me, Honu, BWS, DerbyCat, etc. marrying our partners to you marrying your dog and claiming puppies?

Unbelievably ignorant and incredibly pathetic. And the "religious right" wonders why nobody except them takes them seriously.

i didn't realize i was judging in saying that everyone should worry about themselves.

also didn't realize that dogs were humans able to give consent. or that they were citizens covered by the u.s. constitution. you know, the one that says we're all created equal?? :rolleyes:

many countries now allow gay marriage. but we're the land of the free???

absolutely nothing. ooops, there I go judging again. :zz:

AeNuthead is showing his homophobic opinions very strongly today.. maybe he was hit on by a dude last night or something. Or maybe he just loves his dog in a very gross way?

It's biased against the voting rights of people in certain states. I didn't say it's racist, but it has turned out to be biased in favor of White Voters in small states. The combined population of North n' South Dakota (not many people, btw, and almost all white folks) have twice the say (in the U.S. Senate) as the whole population of the State of New York (which just so happens to have a large minority population.) It's the biased design in the Constitution that's responsible. Healthcare would easily have passed in this country if we had a system that gave everyone equal representation for their vote. It's that U.S. Constitution's biased Senate design that enabled you folks to beat this brotha. You have an advantage, and it's called the piss poor Senate design in the Constitution. He could of got 60% of a fair pool. You're really making him get 65% (in real #s,) and then call him a useless negro if he can't do the impossible feat.

Don't you think that should be changed to start with "re?" It's sadistic to make people spell it that way. They should allow either/or. I'm not spelling it that "ri" way on here anymore. Alert the spelling enforcement official (Black Wind Tongue.)

Just go away.

I was going with the ridicule thing....ridiculous....It's English...what can I say?

Strictly a guess but i would think that he hasn't taken a more liberal stance (or done anything in some cases) on some issues especially the dont ask, dont tell issue is that the polling shows that it wont be well received and may hurt his numbers.

i think so too. he's too hamstrung by his party worrying about elections. they don't want to run off right of center independants.

damn shame, everyone more worried about party than doing the right thing in many cases.

In his case hardly a shame for the most part

Election Day can't get here fast enough.

News flash O'Dumbass is going to ask for 230 million to house worthless terrorist thugs now at Gitmo. Nice way to try and waste our taxpayers money O'Dumbass. I guess you care more about worthless thugs than you do about your own people. Hopefully in 2012 you get a one way ticket back to Illinois or Hawaii. Take the First Bitch with you also.

Try to have a little class once and awhile please.

I thought he was getting a one way ticket back to Kenya where he was born so he can go back to the Muslin mosque?

I agree. What goes on between you and your dog is your business.

you're talking about obama...but nascar is talking about some irish guy, isn't he???:D

LOL. He even put the apostrophe in there! Timmigirvan HATES Nascar.

I will admit going around in circles is pointless.

Nice...lol...and you wonder why I'm a Democrat

'they' both get angry because i'm not on either ones side.-but don't realize that's true for many.[/quote]
me either, but thats why the liberals and conservatives are both morons. if you disagree with either they accuse you of being the other. its about as stupid as it gets , but most people are stupid so it works politically. the words liberal and conservative mean whatever each side wants them to mean at the time. was it conservative to take over iraq(nation build while we are broke) and blow a couple trillion, somehow they say it is. what about that medicare drug program boondoggle, a "conservative" trillion dollar give away to pharma....yup, real conservative. the patriot act going against the constitution and spying on folks...yup, real conservative again! dick cheney, "deficits don't matter" yeah , hes a real conservative....lol. see they are only claiming to be a conservative...once voted in its anything but. same for the other side. obama will do whatever hes got to do to make his interests happy. theres no loyalty to the people that voted for him. people still have not figured this out on either side. THEY USE YOU IDIOTS THAT CLAIM TO BE ONE OR THE OTHER TO GET ELECTED. after that anything goes. they are too busy listening to glen beck and rachel maddow to figure out that the american people take it up the ass every time and it does not matter whose in there! my question to all you "liberal" and "conservative" morons is: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GEORGE BUSH, OBAMA AND MCAIN...........ANSWER......NOTHING BECAUSE THEY ARE RUN BY POWERFUL ENTITIES THAT DICTATE POLICY. thats why the country is being run like bush never left. the same would of happened with mccain. if you believe any thing else you are part of the corruption! see, most people can't or are too lazy to think for themselves. so instead of basing an idea on good or bad..its liberal or conservative. they will never understand the strategy of divide and conquer. they are too busy screaming over each other to care.