Take Care John McCain
 

thanks for your military service and know the best thing to do for the country's and party's sake is to back this opponent.


http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100123/D9DD8MO80.html

I think McCain would be more comfortable as a dem anyway

actually I think he'd be excellent as head of Veteran Affairs as w/his connections I'm sure he'd be in a better spot to get necessary funding than say Tammy Duckworth. Wait till J.D. gets in and Arizona shows the rest of the country how to deal w/illegals. Speaking of illegals I think Maricopa AZ County's Joe Arapio would make an excellent head of Immigration and Naturalization. Call it the start of the 'Dream Team'

I'll go with this:)

Like a Republican Senator's job is so important right now.

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Did you guys see John McCain on Face the Nation today? I truely think his mind is gone. Or he's just completely tired of it all.

he's old and HOPE is dead. DEPORTATION = :$: :$: :$:

You want to deport John McCain for money :zz:

no just want illegals, who McCain protected like a mistress, gone to free up everything from desks in schools to hospitals beds to JOBS! And there's an old lady in Boston who needs to go first. Kenya is not Rwanda and at least we're not deporting her to Israel! Of course it has nothing to do w/hope and everything to do w/work so I understand it will never happen under Obama or any other socialist focused Pres.

How many illegals are in the country now, Dell?

between 22 and 23 million

try half that.

Incidentally over 413,000 in custody and 732,000 fugitives

1.89 million anchor babies born

I'd argue the trivial amount of money they contribute and leave into SS is set off solely by the cost of those incarcerated.

Now how much $$$ do you suppose they have earned and sent home?

How much money has been spent educating them, including going so far as teaching in a bi-lingual environment?

Just recently we had new arrivals come in to the local bar for some cervezas after doing some roofing work. They ordered by pointing. Despite them living in Harvard, IL 8 miles away they hadn't a clue they were in Wisconsin. Not that they had traveled over the border from IL but they had never heard of the word Wisconsin.

Thank God at least locally you push 1 for English or 2 to hang up and call back when you learn how to speak it.

PS I'm sure these two all-stars had insurance on the truck they drove away with. I can't bear to think of the possibility of them having DL's though anything out of the Sec of State of IL would not surprise me.

http://immigrationcounters.com/

but I hope you're right!

this is ridiculous.

i asked google, and saw that number-and more than once, including from INS. it's down from a high of 12 million or so in 07. perhaps your site includes legal immigrants?

at any rate, this thread got me thinking, and searching...and i found this:


http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscal.pdf


still in the process of reading it, but it certainly is enlightening thus far. i was unaware just how much of a financial drain that illegals are on the federal budget; one would have to assume that it's a drain on state budgets as well-for those experiencing high levels of illegals in their state. no doubt scuds will chime in on this altho california has other issues as well, such as education in that state making up 40% of the total budget costs, and retirement pay for govt workers being incredibly high.

you also need to take into consideration how much money is sent home rather than being re-invested back into our economy, taxed every step of the way.

am I the only one who thinks its noble to send money back to your family in a very poor country?

I have more respect for most illegals in this country than I do for most citizens.

i'd imagine more money isn't spend by fat cats who ship their money to offshore accounts.
the folks here may be sending money home, but how much do they spend here as well? it's a lot bigger picture than many imagine. it's a complex problem, and it'll take a complex solution.

How will I know I am right unless a (D) disagrees with me

ok (D) = (S)

Come on, let's be fair to them. I'd say about half of the people living in this state have probably never heard of Wisconsin, and come to think of it, I'm not sure there is really much of a reason to know (or care) that it exists.

you may be right come to think of it. It's a good thing because the lake is at full capacity already most summer days.

In truth, however, I have much more respect for the people of Wisconsin now that so many of them detest Favre.

i think i'm the only one who doesn't give half a damn whether someone else knows how to speak english. it certainly is no difficulty for me if someone else chooses not to learn it-has absolutely no affect on my quality of life at all. why is it a big deal?
i had a guy tell me he didn't like that mexican immigrants fly their flag. i told him i was very proud of my irish heritage, and if i flew that flag no one would care. why is mexico different? back a hundred years ago, it was a different story, with 'irish need not apply' signs everywhere. he was a reasonable fellow, and listened to what i had to say, and i did the same. i think both of us learned a bit from the conversation.

there are us citizens who are unaware that new mexico is indeed part of the united states. i doubt many could find their home state on a map.

I could care less what flag anyone wants to fly or what language they want to speak. I don't think every time I call in on a bill or visit the ATM I need to be asked whether I want it in english or spanish and I don't want any taxpayer money going to educating anyone here who is illegal. I also expect police to do their jobs and arrest people for illegal things including sneaking into the country. We complain our class rooms are full to capacity, we need jobs and by simply following the law we could improve the situation now and we wouldn't even have to HOPE just DO!

Our borders are way to open to both illegals and terrorists and until they are shored up fighting terrorism like we are now is akin to you going out and doing surveillance on someone you suspect is going to rob your house while leaving your doors wide open to anyone else. Sadly we are finally at the point we are so incompetent we are unable to track and capture a terrorist whose father tried to turn him in!

Border security is an important issue for exactly that reason. If we can't stop several million ( by anyone's count) illegals coming in from the south how could we expect to catch 20 determined Terrorists from sneaking through with a biological weapon or a dirty nuke? We are busy watching airports for underwear bombs. Maybe it is just a smokescreen for whatever diabolical crap these guys sit around, pray, and come up with.

I guess, if people have to help pay for Mexicans' kids being educated, then they'd at least like them to fly an American Flag. We allow a reasonable amount of people to come here (legally.) Again, those who want to control our borders are only asking for the same protection people in other countries have. You can teach people a lot, but you can't teach them to be responsible in the breeding shed. They either get it, or they don't. People from poor cultures usually breed beyond their means. We don't need their cultural problems imported to us. There are two main reasons people are poor. The one that's easiest to control is breeding beyond one's means. You can have all the Social Justice efforts you want, but it will only work if people breed within their means. That is hard enough to get our own poor people to do. It's near impossible to get people from other cultures to do it. Simply put..We can't afford illegal immigration to continue. That's a fact. The 9-11 filth was here because we preferred being nice to being safe. I'll tell ya what. I'd allow anybody from Latin America to come here if the payoff was no more Muslims being allowed to immigrate here (or go to college here.)

I think everyone should be documented. It's very bizarre that people could come in here, bypass all the legal immigrants who are waiting patiently with all the paperwork, and not get punished. And they eat up our health resources because when they get sick, they take up space in a hospital that should be reserved for a legitimate citizen.

You are saying that there are 413,000 illegal aliens 'in custody' - for being illegal? (not for crimes). Where are these nearly half million people being held? Where do you get those figures?

Not exactly an "objective" site, there. I'd want to see other estimates. Edit: I saw 'Zigs stuff.

I just posted a recent Gallup poll in another thread that supports Scuds post. As does the GOP voting record of "No", "No", "No".

Did you know what I learned yestereday? There are over 170 provisions included in the Congressional healthcare reform bill that were put in there at the specific request of Republicans.

Remember that next time Mitch McConnell (R) goes on the Sunday am political rounds and outright lies, saying the Dems are not bipartisan.

You're freaking kiddin me.....with Pelosi and Reids' stranglehold on what legislation hits the floor? 170 provisions out of how many pages?? It's Sherman marching through Georgia,by golly! Giving them a 'sliver' of a voice
isn't bipartisan, and you know it.

How can you definitively pronounce it nonpartisan when you are completely unawares of how important that number of provisions is within the overall bill? :)

The number of provisions is meaningless as most are technical things that do little but clarify certain numbers, etc.

What are the total number of provisions and what is each provision?

you and me both, so you arent the only one. It doesnt bother me at all if people decide to speak spanish. In fact I feel more Americans should try to be bilingual. or however its spelled. (though I am not and would love to learn spanish, i just keep putting it off)

FTFY

that is what booze is for!