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kgar311 01-23-2010 11:37 AM

Mig went down hard
 
Could this be the last we ever see of him, he flipped over and fell flat on his back. Man that was bad, hope he's ok if anyone has updates please post

northeastbound123 01-23-2010 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311
Could this be the last we ever see of him, he flipped over and fell flat on his back. Man that was bad, hope he's ok if anyone has updates please post

don't even want to think like that, updates would be very nice

Rudeboyelvis 01-23-2010 12:31 PM

was talking and moving when the took him to North Shore according to TVG - Praying for the best.

randallscott35 01-23-2010 12:32 PM

Ugh. Not a good claim by Englehart either.

Alan07 01-23-2010 02:28 PM

http://theinsidepost.typepad.com/the...uthanized.html

Riot 01-23-2010 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Ugh. Not a good claim by Englehart either.

That a shame, poor Honest Wildcat. Glad Mig appears tentatively okay (it's an amazingly hard sport when you say a head injury and concussion is "okay")

my miss storm cat 01-23-2010 02:43 PM

Thanks for the update.

Wow, I hope he'll be okay. Sending prayers to the Mig.

Poor horse.

chucklestheclown 01-23-2010 02:47 PM

I cannot believe the poor horse survived the fall. RIP.

Rudeboyelvis 01-23-2010 03:22 PM

Not to start a whichhunting frenzy, but I heard Leivine's G3 RHT Mallet broke down this morning as well

eajinabi 01-23-2010 03:23 PM

Thank God that Migliore is ok but I feel bad for the horse. RIP

my miss storm cat 01-23-2010 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis
Not to start a whichhunting frenzy, but I heard Leivine's G3 RHT Mallet broke down this morning as well

Yesterday, poor girl...

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...168#post607168

my miss storm cat 01-23-2010 06:29 PM

Update...

http://drf.com/news/article/110340.html

Linny 01-23-2010 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis
Not to start a whichhunting frenzy, but I heard Leivine's G3 RHT Mallet broke down this morning as well


She broke down in training at GP on Thursday. She was put down.

my miss storm cat 01-24-2010 11:05 AM

This is so incredibly touching...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...__race24s.html

chucklestheclown 01-24-2010 12:34 PM

Wow. I watched the replay more then I should have and still don't know what made this horse fall. I THINK Migs was trying to shift out just a little because he was anticipating the inside horse was about to come over (which he did) and the horse responded a little quicker than he anticipated, going sideways at an awkward angle. Am I grasping for an explanation?

blackthroatedwind 01-24-2010 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by chucklestheclown
Wow. I watched the replay more then I should have and still don't know what made this horse fall. I THINK Migs was trying to shift out just a little because he was anticipating the inside horse was about to come over (which he did) and the horse responded a little quicker than he anticipated, going sideways at an awkward angle. Am I grasping for an explanation?


You're irresponsibly suggesting Richard Migliore had something to do with this incident, while having zero ground to stand on, and should really think before posting.

chucklestheclown 01-24-2010 01:02 PM

What? I was watching it and rewound my dvr many times playing it in slo-mo trying to see why a horse I liked went down. I thought about it for many hours. Watch it and tell me what you see or don't see.

smuthg 01-24-2010 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

thanks for posting.

Riot 01-24-2010 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by chucklestheclown
Wow. I watched the replay more then I should have and still don't know what made this horse fall.

I thought it was said the horse fractured both sesamoids.

Yes, that causes a horse at speed to have to go down. No stable leg to hold it up.

MaTH716 01-24-2010 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by chucklestheclown
Wow. I watched the replay more then I should have and still don't know what made this horse fall. I THINK Migs was trying to shift out just a little because he was anticipating the inside horse was about to come over (which he did) and the horse responded a little quicker than he anticipated, going sideways at an awkward angle. Am I grasping for an explanation?

Beyond grasping, it's plain and simple the horse broke down.

It seems like there is only mention in the papers/news when a jockey commits a horrible act against a horse (hit in the eye with whip, throw whip and spit, etc...). But I happened to catch this blurb in this mornings NY Daily News and gives a little insight what kind of person the Mig is. I found it touching in a game (especially at that moment after what happened and not knowing how seriously injured he was) that can be so so cruel at times.

The Day at the Races
BY Jerry Bossert
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Sunday, January 24th 2010, 4:00 AM
Related NewsThe Day at the RacesBossert's Aqueduct AnalysisBossert's Aqueduct AnalysisThe Day at the RacesMeet the man beneath the J-E-T-S chantCruel and brutal are words often used by less enlightened people when describing horse racing. It's a tough sport, but it is also one of the most compassionate.

Jockey Richard Migliore showed it Saturday after being involved in a frightening spill during the first race.

The soon-to-be 46-year-old got to his hands and knees and crawled over to comfort his fallen mount, Honest Wildcat, who suffered a fracture to his right front leg.

Petting the fallen animal's neck in his dirt-covered silks, Migliore stayed with the horse until the EMS staff arrived, placing the jockey on a stretcher and taking him to North Shore University Hospital.

Honest Wildcat was taken off the track on the equine ambulance with a splint placed on his injured limb, but sadly was put down.

The jockey complained of head pain and blurred vision. Initial X-rays came back negative but he was diagnosed with a concussion, although he was released from the hospital.

We're sure he'll make it back. No one is tougher than "The Mig," who was almost killed in a spill at Belmont in 1988 and has suffered many other broken bones along the way.

But besides being tough, Migliore showed he's one of the kindest people, too.



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...#ixzz0dZligIKd

tector 01-24-2010 05:53 PM

Obviously Mig is mensch--glad to hear it.

chucklestheclown 01-25-2010 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot
I thought it was said the horse fractured both sesamoids.

Yes, that causes a horse at speed to have to go down. No stable leg to hold it up.

I'm not asking what was said. I have no doubt his legs were broken and I am dismayed that his neck wasn't and that he suffered before they decided to put him down. I want to know WHY. But I think Blackthroatedwind must know the answer or he would have replied by now to tell me I'm wrong again. And I never meant to cast any blame anyway. That is why they are called "accidents."

Danzig 01-25-2010 06:14 AM

are you saying you want to know why his leg broke? put your hands around your ankle, and then picture your ankles carrying half a ton of horse at 40 mph. you won't have to ask again why. all it takes sometimes is the slightest misstep....your post above suggested some mistakes on the jocks part that caused this-i'd imagine anyone who posted after that in response is taken aback that you think the jock may have caused the injury.

chucklestheclown 01-25-2010 07:55 PM

Why the heck are you talking down to me? I KNOW it was a misstep that caused the fall, Blackthroatedwind seems to have a problem with that.

Riot 01-25-2010 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by chucklestheclown
Why the heck are you talking down to me? I KNOW it was a misstep that caused the fall, Blackthroatedwind seems to have a problem with that.

You don't know any such thing for sure. There are several causes for fractured sesamoids. Many times sesamoids just fracture - pull, break apart - during the stress of racing. That's very common.

This is why at sales of young horses, we look closely at the sesamoid bones, because some things we see are associated with increased chance of future fracture.

His 'legs were not broken'. Two small bones (they are about 1-inch triangles) at the back of his right front ankle, embedded in tendons, not the big cannon leg bone, broke.

The horse was running. During running, one sesamoid fractured, then (probably fairly immediately) the other one (due to the instability caused by the first), then the horse went down virtually immediately as a result of the sesamoid fractures in one leg (two small sesamoid bones, in one right front ankle).

Sesamoids do not fracture as a result of falling (nearly always), the fractured sesamoids caused the fall because the suspensory tendons that the sesamoids are a part of, that helps holds up the leg is compromised and the horse can no longer bear weight on that leg (to say it simply). Part of the support mechanism has failed.

Yes, bones can just fracture spontaneously, or a bad step causes overextension, etc.

Sometimes early in the race, the rider can feel a bad step and get the horse pulled up. But horses are tired and heavy on their forehands in the end of races, the muscles are fatigued causing more tendon laxity, and there is a greater chance of disaster happening more severely, more quickly.

It does not appear the horse suffered very much (from the press), as the ambulance and vet got to him, gave him pain & tranq medication, put the leg in the appropriate immobilization splint (causes marked decrease in pain), and took him back to his stall where the appropriate and virtually only possible decision was made to euthanize him.

Here, go read this http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/hor...-disaster.aspx and look at the pictures here http://www.wiwfarm.com/sesamoid_injuries.htm

chucklestheclown 01-26-2010 12:17 PM

Thanks but I've been doing this since before yesterday and know what you are saying. But I take it from what you said about the "fall" itself you didn't see it. I watched this race and this spill enough times to know what happened to him. Maybe the next horse down I will look at and say "it just happened."

MaTH716 01-26-2010 12:28 PM

Chuckles, I think the problem is that no one knows what answer you are looking for. The horse broke his leg and the spill ensued. You did imply in the thread that you thought that Mig had something to do with it, which is ridiculous. But I'm just not sure what you are asking.

chucklestheclown 01-26-2010 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716
Chuckles, I think the problem is that no one what answer you are looking for. The horse broke his leg and the spill ensued. You did imply in the thread that you thought that Mig had something to do with it, with is ridiculous. But I'm just not sure what you are asking.

You are probably right that there is no one anwer so I will leave it there.

my miss storm cat 01-27-2010 06:46 PM

Migliore, who was released from North Shore University Hospital late Saturday afternoon, said he will visit a neurologist on Wednesday in hopes of getting clearance to ride by next weekend. - DRF 1/24

Has anyone seen an update?

Handicappy 01-28-2010 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
Migliore, who was released from North Shore University Hospital late Saturday afternoon, said he will visit a neurologist on Wednesday in hopes of getting clearance to ride by next weekend. - DRF 1/24

Has anyone seen an update?

Just spoke to a friend. He isn't sure but he thinks that Mig has been cleared to ride. I think with all this Gill stuff going on, he should be given some award or something. I mean he had a concussion and still dragged himself over to pet the horse and try to console him. That is the kind of personality on the track that should be celebrated. BLACKTHROAT, ya listening? Would be important for the sport to get that word out.

freddymo 01-28-2010 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Handicappy
Just spoke to a friend. He isn't sure but he thinks that Mig has been cleared to ride. I think with all this Gill stuff going on, he should be given some award or something. I mean he had a concussion and still dragged himself over to pet the horse and try to console him. That is the kind of personality on the track that should be celebrated. BLACKTHROAT, ya listening? Would be important for the sport to get that word out.

Anybody who knows ANYTHING about racing knows Mig is first class.. Nobody has to sing he song he has been doing it th eright way his entire career.. Mig RULES

golfer 01-28-2010 05:34 PM

He can update us himself if he chooses to, but here is the latest from DRF:

http://drf.com/news/article/110417.html

my miss storm cat 01-28-2010 05:39 PM

I love the last line. Damned right he does!

Agree with Freddy, by the way... he absolutely does rule.

pointman 02-07-2010 12:34 PM

Poor Mig gets dumped off National Pride out of the gate in the 3rd, hopefully he is ok, Johnny I said he got up and walked off.

the_fat_man 02-07-2010 12:40 PM

Might seriously be time for the Mig to hang it up. One can only tempt fate for so long.

pointman 02-07-2010 12:41 PM

Off his remaining mounts today, hopefully just precautionary.

my miss storm cat 02-07-2010 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman
Off his remaining mounts today, hopefully just precautionary.

I hope so too and gotta say I disagree with TFM...


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