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The Indomitable DrugS 01-19-2010 08:22 AM

The 1st race at Beulah today
 
is a $5,800 MSW race.

A first time European import Empress of France is entered. She's a 4-year-old by Storm Cat out of a Mr. Prospector mare. She's also a half sibling to undefeated multiple Group 1 winner Fasliyev.

Her most recent start was Aug of 2009 in Ireland when she was 3rd of 11 at 3/5 odds for Aiden O' Brien. Back in the 2nd start of her career she was 4th of 8 in a Group 3 stake.

She's coupled with another Jim Corrigan horse .. and I'd bet anything she scratches and the other part of the entry goes.

The 3/1 second choice on the ML is 11-0-0-0 lifetime - has made less than 2K in career earnings - and was beaten 9 lengths at 120/1 odds in a 10K MCL at Turfway last time out.

The 7/2 third choice on the ML is a horse that has made two career starts - both at Mountaineer. Showed no early speed and was crushed both times - running Beyers of 0 and 8.

Goofy stuff. I wish they ran more than 4 harness tracks on Tuesday.

Duvalier 01-19-2010 09:07 AM

Nice way to start the early Pic 3. The 1 horse in the second Josy's Gold looks like she might be rounding into form...plus you get blinks on.

The Indomitable DrugS 01-19-2010 09:14 AM

Wow ... if I got a single reply from this thread I expected it to come in the form of something like this.....



northeastbound123 01-19-2010 09:18 AM

How can she bend her back like that? Oh the talent :D

MaTH716 01-19-2010 09:19 AM

All of a sudden this thread has some potential.

VOL JACK 01-19-2010 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Wow ... if I got a single reply from this thread I expected it to come in the form of something like this.....



When did you go Softcore?

herkhorse 01-19-2010 09:23 AM

1.

Duvalier 01-19-2010 09:41 AM

Sorry Drugs...don't know how to do the whole picture thing. Now about that Pic 3.
















Just Kidding

cakes44 01-19-2010 10:30 AM

I tried playing Beulah again yesterday. What is the worst part about Beulah racing...the horses, the jocks, or the track?

Coach Pants 01-19-2010 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by cakes44
I tried playing Beulah again yesterday. What is the worst part about Beulah racing...the horses, the jocks, or the track?

Ohio.

philcski 01-19-2010 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Ohio.

+1

LOL

MISTERGEE 01-19-2010 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cakes44
I tried playing Beulah again yesterday. What is the worst part about Beulah racing...the horses, the jocks, or the track?

part of what sucks is this horse went off at 1/5 and ran 3rd, which means you cant tell which horses are feeling ok enough to run that day and which ones just want to lay down and die.

Duvalier 01-19-2010 01:25 PM

I knew that the blinkers would help the #1...much improved effort. Only got beat 32 3/4 today...last time at this same distance ended up 56 3/4 back. Next time.

The Indomitable DrugS 01-19-2010 02:02 PM

How in the hell did this thread end up in selections?

cakes44 01-19-2010 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
How in the hell did this thread end up in selections?

I was wondering the same thing.

cakes44 01-19-2010 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MISTERGEE
part of what sucks is this horse went off at 1/5 and ran 3rd, which means you cant tell which horses are feeling ok enough to run that day and which ones just want to lay down and die.

Beulah is the "Graveyard of Favorites".

Literally.

Duvalier 01-19-2010 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
How in the hell did this thread end up in selections?

Not enough pictures

The Indomitable DrugS 01-19-2010 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cakes44
Beulah is the "Graveyard of Favorites".

Literally.

Exactly.

Imagine you owned a Storm Cat/Mr. Prospector filly that's a half to a multiple Group 1 winner ... nice residual value there ... how bad would that horse have to be training for you to even consider shipping to Beulah and running for a less than 6k purse?

The stunning thing was that the horse wasn't scratched.

The lack of hotties in this thread was a let down.

parsixfarms 01-19-2010 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Imagine you owned a Storm Cat/Mr. Prospector filly that's a half to a multiple Group 1 winner ... nice residual value there ... how bad would that horse have to be training for you to even consider shipping to Beulah and running for a less than 6k purse?

I'd imagine it was all about trying to say she is a "winner" for catalog and produce purposes. I can't imagine that there could have been softer spot to accomplish that goal.

dagolfer33 01-19-2010 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MISTERGEE
part of what sucks is this horse went off at 1/5 and ran 3rd, which means you cant tell which horses are feeling ok enough to run that day and which ones just want to lay down and die.

Most horses feel fine until they read "Beulah Park" on top of the gate, then they get nervous. The ones shipping from MTR know whats up.

The Indomitable DrugS 01-20-2010 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
I'd imagine it was all about trying to say she is a "winner" for catalog and produce purposes. I can't imagine that there could have been softer spot to accomplish that goal.

Is something like that really going to matter regarding enhancing her value?

parsixfarms 01-20-2010 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Is something like that really going to matter regarding enhancing her value?

Does it really enhance her value? Hard to say. But I had a conversation with a farm manager this past fall who described to me a situation with a well-bred NY-bred filly for a big breeder here in New York. The filly couldn't break her maiden on the NYRA circuit and was shipped to Finger Lakes specifically to break her maiden and make her a "winner," both to help the filly herself and the mare she came from. She won the race and was promptly retired.

I've often said that catalog pages lie. "Winner at 3, $30,000" can mean dramatically different things if you look at the PPs of two different mares. It's for the buyer to do the necessary homework and uncover those differences.

richard 01-20-2010 10:38 AM

Dark Cheetah, a Storm Cat gelding, won recently in Philly . On 1/12 at pretty good odds.

The Indomitable DrugS 01-20-2010 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
Does it really enhance her value? Hard to say. But I had a conversation with a farm manager this past fall who described to me a situation with a well-bred NY-bred filly for a big breeder here in New York. The filly couldn't break her maiden on the NYRA circuit and was shipped to Finger Lakes specifically to break her maiden and make her a "winner," both to help the filly herself and the mare she came from. She won the race and was promptly retired.

I've often said that catalog pages lie. "Winner at 3, $30,000" can mean dramatically different things if you look at the PPs of two different mares. It's for the buyer to do the necessary homework and uncover those differences.

The fact that they were too disheartened to even try running once in a Turfway MSW over a surface logically far more to her liking is pretty telling on what they think of her current ability.

I would have bet anything they scratched. Even if they thought she'd be worth a slight bit more as a "winner" - that was one of the sillier moves I've ever seen in racing.

She's got to have pretty good residual value.

How many young mares are there out there who are by Storm Cat out of a Mr. P mare - and are a half sibling to an undefeated multiple Group 1 winner?

I'm going to take a wild guess and say ... probably only her.

Insane that someone would pay all that money to ship her over from Europe .. keep her in training .. and when she trains like a dog, they risk their entire investment over a sloppy track at Beulah in the middle of winter.

The Indomitable DrugS 01-20-2010 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by richard
Dark Cheetah, a Storm Cat gelding, won recently in Philly . On 1/12 at pretty good odds.

I'm guessing his residual value for breeding purposes is worth about $0.00

richard 01-20-2010 01:15 PM

$319,878 in winnings will sooth the owner.

The Indomitable DrugS 01-20-2010 01:29 PM

He's had several owners. He was just claimed for 5K.


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