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joeydb 01-18-2010 08:49 AM

Republican Senator in Massachusetts?
 
Could be history in the making. Imagine, there actually are two parties, even in Bluer than Blue Taxachusetts.

What spin will the press put on it if it happens?

randallscott35 01-18-2010 08:50 AM

A rejection of Obama and the Dems. Wait till November.

dellinger63 01-18-2010 10:13 AM

I heard MA is 3-1 registered dems.

This would be unbelievable and a huge shout out to Obama to STOP!

GBBob 01-18-2010 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
I heard MA is 3-1 registered dems.

This would be unbelievable and a huge shout out to Obama to STOP!

The opponent is running as an Independant, yet voted Righty 96% of the time? At least run as who you are..A Republican, nothing more, nothing less.

Fortunately, it won't change the agenda..will make it harder to pass the Health Care Bill, but everything else is a go fortunately.

Plus..I'll still be surprised if she loses..The Dems will get the vote out against this wolf in sheep's clothes

ddthetide 01-18-2010 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
The opponent is running as an Independant, yet voted Righty 96% of the time? At least run as who you are..A Republican, nothing more, nothing less.

Fortunately, it won't change the agenda..will make it harder to pass the Health Care Bill, but everything else is a go fortunately.

Plus..I'll still be surprised if she loses..The Dems will get the vote out against this wolf in sheep's clothes

i'm sure they can "dig up" some dead people to vote, just like happens in chicago.:rolleyes:

witchdoctor 01-18-2010 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide
i'm sure they can "dig up" some dead people to vote, just like happens in chicago.:rolleyes:


Also, voe early and vote often will probably be the theme.

Riot 01-18-2010 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
.The Dems will get the vote out against this wolf in sheep's clothes

Check out his Cosmo centerfold - no clothing at all :rolleyes:

witchdoctor 01-18-2010 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Check out his Cosmo centerfold - no clothing at all :rolleyes:


He has nothing to hide.

SOREHOOF 01-18-2010 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
I heard MA is 3-1 registered dems.

This would be unbelievable and a huge shout out to Obama to STOP!

I read Mass. is 51% Independants, with Democrats outnumbering Republicans 3-1.

SOREHOOF 01-18-2010 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
The opponent is running as an Independant, yet voted Righty 96% of the time? At least run as who you are..A Republican, nothing more, nothing less.

If what I read about Mass. being 51% Independant is indeed true, maybe the good people of Mass. should register as who they are..Liberal Democrats, nothing more, nothing less.

Rileyoriley 01-18-2010 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
The opponent is running as an Independant, yet voted Righty 96% of the time? At least run as who you are..A Republican, nothing more, nothing less.

Fortunately, it won't change the agenda..will make it harder to pass the Health Care Bill, but everything else is a go fortunately.

Plus..I'll still be surprised if she loses..The Dems will get the vote out against this wolf in sheep's clothes

Brown is a republican and running as one. Stop listening to Coakley's ads.

Rileyoriley 01-18-2010 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Check out his Cosmo centerfold - no clothing at all :rolleyes:


Careful Riot. Your desperation is showing. Keep in mind they are running for the seat of a man that left a woman to drown.

SOREHOOF 01-18-2010 06:26 PM

If He loses in Mass. tomorrow maybe he can run to take Gillibrands seat in NY in Nov.

Nascar1966 01-18-2010 06:53 PM

Im pulling for the Republican in this. Nothing would more fun to see than that worthless Health Reform Bill not passing. If Coakley loses hopefully Pelosi will be next.

Gaelic Storm 01-18-2010 06:53 PM

Gillibrand may not win the primary for her seat.

GBBob 01-18-2010 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rileyoriley
Careful Riot. Your desperation is showing. Keep in mind they are running for the seat of a man that left a woman to drown.

And did more for the poor and needy by himself then all the Republicans of the last 20 years put together

Coach Pants 01-18-2010 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
And did more for the poor and needy by himself then all the Republicans of the last 20 years put together

Which, in part, is the cause of why the country is on the brink of bankruptcy. Thanks, dead murderer with the gigantic head!
:rolleyes:

Riot 01-18-2010 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rileyoriley
Careful Riot. Your desperation is showing. Keep in mind they are running for the seat of a man that left a woman to drown.

Desperation? I don't care if he was a Cosmo centerfold. Now he wants to be famous by being a politician instead. Not unusual.

Coakley is certainly no Kennedy. Unimpressive. Brown is the typical mindless yapper of "conservative values" with no substance. Neither one can fill Kennedy's shoes. It would be a "lesser of two evils" vote for me.

It will all come down to what the weather is Tuesday - a minority party turnout outgunned 3-1 by a majority party that may or may not care who is in that seat. I do think the minority turnout will be there, the majority won't bother, and I suspect Brown will barely win.

If she loses, it's not that big a deal on a national level. At least not how the news orgs are framing this. Healthcare reform will still pass easily.

I think the GOP are making a huge mistake to make this a national issue "If she loses, it reflects negatively on Obama and healthcare" - because if she wins, they'll have to eat that in a terrible way.

hi_im_god 01-18-2010 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Desperation? I don't care if he was a Cosmo centerfold. Now he wants to be famous by being a politician instead. Not unusual.

Coakley is certainly no Kennedy. Unimpressive. Brown is the typical mindless yapper of "conservative values" with no substance. Neither one can fill Kennedy's shoes. It would be a "lesser of two evils" vote for me.

It will all come down to what the weather is Tuesday - a minority party turnout outgunned 3-1 by a majority party that may or may not care who is in that seat. I do think the minority turnout will be there, the majority won't bother, and I suspect Brown will barely win.

If she loses, it's not that big a deal on a national level. At least not how the news orgs are framing this. Healthcare reform will still pass easily.

I think the GOP are making a huge mistake to make this a national issue "If she loses, it reflects negatively on Obama and healthcare" - because if she wins, they'll have to eat that in a terrible way.

i'm on your side but i think this analysis is off. it's a no lose for republicans. dems are spending money on a race they shouldn't have to.

republican's frame this as a referendum on obama and healthcare because there's no downside to that argument. if coakley eeks out a win, wednesday morning the headline is "massachusetts almost elected a republican", not "america endorses obama".

we're better off dealing in political realities and not repeating bush's error of exaggerating narrow victories into imagined political capital.

on the other hand, unlike you i think coakley's still more likely to pull off a too narrow win than actually lose.

if she doesn't, i'll change my opinion that healthcare is a lose/lose for democrats but it's a lesser loss pushing it through to accepting that the country isn't ready for this.

hi_im_god 01-18-2010 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Desperation? I don't care if he was a Cosmo centerfold. Now he wants to be famous by being a politician instead. Not unusual.

Coakley is certainly no Kennedy. Unimpressive. Brown is the typical mindless yapper of "conservative values" with no substance. Neither one can fill Kennedy's shoes. It would be a "lesser of two evils" vote for me.

It will all come down to what the weather is Tuesday - a minority party turnout outgunned 3-1 by a majority party that may or may not care who is in that seat. I do think the minority turnout will be there, the majority won't bother, and I suspect Brown will barely win.

If she loses, it's not that big a deal on a national level. At least not how the news orgs are framing this. Healthcare reform will still pass easily.

I think the GOP are making a huge mistake to make this a national issue "If she loses, it reflects negatively on Obama and healthcare" - because if she wins, they'll have to eat that in a terrible way.

i also want to note how it's possible that we disagree on stuff like this but not invent terms like "dino".

i still think the extreme right takeover of the republican party is it's doom.

Riot 01-18-2010 10:28 PM

Quote:

]i'm on your side but i think this analysis is off. it's a no lose for republicans. dems are spending money on a race they shouldn't have to.

republican's frame this as a referendum on obama and healthcare because there's no downside to that argument.
Yeah, I can see that. It will be interesting to see who wins.

I completely agree, the GOP going far right is it's death. Not that the true "anti-government" tea-bag types want anything to do with the GOP, however, no matter how much Michael Steele tries to suck up to them and pretend they are friends.

The interesting thing is that "movement" has already been co-opted by multiple claims from different "Tea Party" orgs, and is suffering from so much infighting I don't know if it will survive to even the 2010 elections.

Their big convention in Nashville (that Palin is to speak at) - they are overcharging so "grass roots" folks can't attend, it's turned out to be a "for profit" event (???), a major co-sponsor already dropped out - I predict it will be a big party that ends up with few attendees.

joeydb 01-19-2010 10:27 AM

The Red Tsunami is coming this November to a voting electorate near you...

GBBob 01-19-2010 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by joeydb
The Red Tsunami is coming this November to a voting electorate near you...

SOP for mid term elections

hi_im_god 01-19-2010 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by joeydb
The Red Tsunami is coming this November to a voting electorate near you...

i'd be careful projecting too far into the future. it would be great for republican's if the mid-terms were held today. but there's only 1 seat.

i think 9 months from now republican's will pick up seats but not as many as you think. it'll depend on the economy though. if unemployement is still around 10% with no signs of improving, it'll be ugly for the dem's.

more likely the economy is doing a little better by then and the out of power party picks up a few seats as has been the pattern since ww2.

Coach Pants 01-19-2010 10:42 AM

I think the voters realize everything is Dubya's fault and the Dems will hold power for another 500 years and they will eventually hold a majority in the house and senate on Mars.

SCUDSBROTHER 01-19-2010 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
And did more for the poor and needy by himself then all the Republicans of the last 20 years put together

Not just the last 20 years, but ever. Ain't a tough bar:o to make.

SCUDSBROTHER 01-19-2010 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
i still think the extreme right takeover of the republican party is it's doom.

Republican Party's doom is there aren't enough white men to win hi turn-out elections in battleground-type states. Hellooooo fkn Indiana. Wasn't even suppose to be battleground. Just weak.

Antitrust32 01-19-2010 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Not just the last 20 years, but ever. Ain't a tough bar:o to make.


ya'll are crazy!

SCUDSBROTHER 01-19-2010 03:25 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hrde...eature=related

If that ugly lady loses tonite, then OBA needs to listen to this all Night. He's gunna lose a bunch of seats in November (no matter what.) So, stop the nice stuff. I've never understood why he wants to play nice with obvious savages. He needs to find a set.

randallscott35 01-19-2010 04:24 PM

Be afraid, be very afraid Dems. You have pissed off the electorate enough to lose a MA Senate seat. In 3 hours we will know that this is a one term president and goodbye to the House.

GBBob 01-19-2010 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Be afraid, be very afraid Dems. You have pissed off the electorate enough to lose a MA Senate seat. In 3 hours we will know that this is a one term president and goodbye to the House.

That is one slippery slope and quite an exageration. They are going to lose the House anyway...almost every mid term election that is set up this way swings like that. Stop making it out to be anything more than the normal fickleness of the US Voter.

But to make such a grandiose prediction about a one term President at this point is just grandstanding. Good luck with that one..As I have said elsewhere here, Four More Years and I truly think it will happen.

Danzig 01-19-2010 04:44 PM

i remember a few years ago, dems were dead and the republicans were going to rule the world...remember? right now the republicans don't control anything. too soon to say it's over for obama and company.

but it has always seemed when it's all one way, the voters send congress in the other direction from the white house. that's what seems about to happen. but a lot can change between now and november.

Danzig 01-19-2010 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
That is one slippery slope and quite an exageration. They are going to lose the House anyway...almost every mid term election that is set up this way swings like that. Stop making it out to be anything more than the normal fickleness of the US Voter.

But to make such a grandiose prediction about a one term President at this point is just grandstanding. Good luck with that one..As I have said elsewhere here, Four More Years and I truly think it will happen.


i'd think that's a grandiose prediction at this point as well. didn't they just say the other day that obama has the lowest poll rating for a president after a year?

edit~ yep, just checked on that second sentence, it's what i read. according to gallup that is...

hi_im_god 01-19-2010 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
That is one slippery slope and quite an exageration. They are going to lose the House anyway...almost every mid term election that is set up this way swings like that. Stop making it out to be anything more than the normal fickleness of the US Voter.

But to make such a grandiose prediction about a one term President at this point is just grandstanding. Good luck with that one..As I have said elsewhere here, Four More Years and I truly think it will happen.

losing the house would be pretty shocking. i expect they'll give back some of the seats that went democratic riding obama's coattails and a few other seats in competetive districts (very few of those).

people on both sides need to get a longer term view. the elections not for another 9 1/2 months. the things that will drive voter decisions that day haven't all happened.

i'd certainly be celebrating today if i was a republican. i'd also be worried about peaking too soon.

Riot 01-19-2010 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Republican Party's doom is there aren't enough white men to win hi turn-out elections in battleground-type states. Hellooooo fkn Indiana. Wasn't even suppose to be battleground. Just weak.

I think the GOP better realize the demographics have permanently changed. Conservative old white men are a fast-diminishing species.

Riot 01-19-2010 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb
The Red Tsunami is coming this November to a voting electorate near you...

Don't get too excited. The first mid-term after the Presidential always has a large change to the other party. The Dems should expect to lose every red seat that went with Obama last November. After that is what will tell the tale.

If you look, however, at what has happened to the GOP in the recent midterms (vastly underperforming the past decade or so) - they have alot to overcome, even with the Democrats help.

And the funniest comment on the Democrats I've seen was on Jon Stewart last night (can see it on the Comedy Central website). Watch the first 10 minutes of this: http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-epi...0-david-walker

SCUDSBROTHER 01-19-2010 05:43 PM

If he wants to get another 4 years, then he should forget there ever was a Hawaii. When you've got a bad economy, no President should be spending a week in Hawaii. Don't care if he grew up there. It's a vacation spot. Stay the f away.

Danzig 01-19-2010 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
losing the house would be pretty shocking. i expect they'll give back some of the seats that went democratic riding obama's coattails and a few other seats in competetive districts (very few of those).

people on both sides need to get a longer term view. the elections not for another 9 1/2 months. the things that will drive voter decisions that day haven't all happened.

i'd certainly be celebrating today if i was a republican. i'd also be worried about peaking too soon.

i'd be worried that rush and sarah are the two most known faces of the republican party.

Riot 01-19-2010 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i'd be worried that rush and sarah are the two most known faces of the republican party.

You're right. There is no leader. Liz Cheney? :eek: It's gonna be Mitt 2012 I think. That's the only face they have.

What they don't have is money for 2010 midterm candidates. I don't know what is going to be done about Michael Steele - he won't be fired, but he's sure not helping.

It's gonna be a fun few years in politics! That's for sure :tro:

SCUDSBROTHER 01-19-2010 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
You're right. There is no leader. Liz Cheney? :eek: It's gonna be Mitt 2012 I think. That's the only face they have.

Mormons need not apply. If you think a guy named Joe was a prophet, then forget about it. Stay home.


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