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Now today at the PBKC i got to see some other poeple complain about Ramon D outside of the ny city otb's

The ride on the #7 Wester Deed at the end was downright laughable

I didn't have him or the winner , but , if you bet on the 7 they should give you your $$$$ back

The winner the #2 was all out barley hanging on and Ramon quits riding before the finish just terrible

Did they catch his rides on Stud Muffin, Fortyninegeorgest, or No More Stress? Or the four wins on Friday? Or the three on Thursday?

NT

there in lies the problem , why if he can give thoughs rides , he gives up on a 7-1 shot who had a tiring horse measured? i mean scav could have been on the 7 in the 5th today and get by that 2 who was done

i find it interesting that i am told people at the otb don't know what they are talking aobut and are the worse , but ,here i am in another state whole new set of people and it's the same old song , what in the world was ramon doing

I didn't think at any point in time he was getting by Marina Market. But that might be where we differ in opinion.

You are picking out one ride for a guy who rides approximately 6-7 per day, who are always bet, and are thus under the most scrutiny. Picking out one poor ride (and this ride was bad long before the stretch, he went about 97 wide around the turn) is really unfair.

As far as the similarities between the people at NYC OTB and the Palm Beach Kennel Club, yeah....

NT

it one thnig to have a poor ride , it's another to completely shut down a horse before the wire when the horse in front of you is backing up , maybe he still loses even if he tries , but , it's inexcusible for the top jockey at the meet to ever quit on a mount unless the horse is hurt .....explain to me how why he should have qut riding in that spot today?

You must love Kent Desormeaux.

NT

actually solis . but , he blew one too yesterday at SA

People complain when they bet a horse and it loses. It can't be they were wrong it has to be the jockey, the trainer, the track etc.......... They are just venting and have to blame someone other than them self, why is this so hard for you to understand. Most people lose money betting horses and this is how they justify it. Few people realize it's just their poor opinion.

In all walks of life people make poor judgements or good judgements that don't work out. Being a jockey is no different.

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Originally Posted by 3kings People complain when they bet a horse and it loses. It can't be they were wrong it has to be the jockey, the trainer, the track etc.......... They are just venting and have to blame someone other than them self, why is this so hard for you to understand. Most people lose money betting horses and this is how they justify it. Few people realize it's just their poor opinion.

i agree with all of that , but there were 5 of us there , none of us had the winner or the 7 we all used some combo of the 6, 8 , 10 ..... we were all losing no matter what the finish was of the top two horses

It's really all about perspective. I had a 2-7 box in the race and never doubted that the 2 was home. My concern was whether the 7 would hold on for 2nd, as the horse was clearly struggling the length of the stretch. The most brutal beats are the ones that happen late.

Most jocks wouldn't be able to grasp that they couldn't get to the winner and push their horse needlessly and lose 2nd --- even to a tired horse like the 6, in the race in question. Ramon's just a few notches above the others.

Of course, just as the other jocks can't duplicate his rides (they just lack the skills), some handicappers can't appreciate a good ride.

And this is really what makes an otherwise unbeatable game beatable.

I just watched the replay 3 times. Come on Marty. There wasn't a chance in hell that Western Deed was gonna get to the winner before the wire. To hear you describe it, I thought I was gonna see him stand up long before the wire. I could see someone getting pissed if he had got nipped for 2nd by not "riding out", but not a chance in hell he was getting the win.

whether he gets to him or not , the question is why is the jockey on the winner all out (and tiring) and ramon has his horse under wraps - listen if it was the same cast of characters in ny otb i could see your point , but , this was a whole new group of people at the PBKC who saw it the way i am telling you guys

kev - your a fan of borel , i heard it out of your mouth at the spa 2 yrs ago after a turf race where he just kept coming and got 2nd , almost getting to the winner, do you really think calvin would have given up at anytime before the wire with that tiring rat in front of him???

i guess if you are at an otb or an outlet like the PBKC your opinion means squat because the fat man has spoken

How far before the wire do you think he quit riding? and can you HONESTLY say that you think he would have gotten to the winner if he rode out the race?

Anybody that actually watched this race and doesn't realize the 6 was significantly best should watch 1000 races in a darkened room before being allowed to ever comment on a trip again.

at least the last 10 yds from what i remembered , i dont have replays

as for the 2nd question , i don't know . but you never answered my question about borel and what he would have done?

traffic trouble happens kev , and there are simply bad rides , but when the EFFORT stops it's simply inexcuisible

that may be true but that still does't mean Ramon shouldn't be trying at the end on his mount

Without question he was best. Shuffled back horribly and completely blocked as they began to turn for home. Had to swing widest of them of all. If he gets the same trip Western Deed gets, he wins the race no problem.

Marty, I think you are grasping at straws here. He wasn't getting the winner. You would think if he didn't break a step slow, that he would have been much closer to the front and in a better position to get to the 2.

Borel would have rode out to the wire....and also finished 2nd

thank you for your honest answer

Western Deed is an horrific hanger. I don't think Arcaro could get him to pass a horse.

its the same old song because people bitch when they lose, that simple. the guy won at least 10 races in 3 days but thats not good enough. i have to laugh, when someone comes even close at aqueduct, i'll listen. its horse racing, like i've said a million times, they don't have engines with gas pedals. the horse will do whatever it wants at times. to say a guy "didn't try" when he's winninmg races off the charts is a joke. are you people trying to tell me , he only tries when he wants? say that to his face...this is a joke.

said by someone that has a brain in their head....thank you

I call that Tuesday.

agian i have a respected DT'er on here saying another top jockey would not have quit on the ride and still would have lost .....that fine , as a bettor that is at least acceptable , what is not acceptable is quitting before the wire when your horse has even a 1 % chance of winning the race ......what is wrong with that logic???

as for the 10 races in 3 days crap , when you are on the best horses mostly everyday of course you are going to win a lot of races , how many superbowls would bill belichek have won without tom brady???

note - he had 8 mounts on sat , he was the favorite 5 times and almost a co-fav on a 6th mount , only a blind squirel would see that he is not going to win a lot or races

Scavs could have ridden No More Stress , what does he get credit for in that race?

He gave good rides on Stud Muffin and 49george.

What was he doing on Wild News ???

What the heck was so great about his ride on Stud Muffin? He got him home but wasnt he fairly logical in this race given the amount of speed signed up?

you make a good point ,i thought he avoided a little traffic trouble

There were 6 horses in the race. He did what he gets paid to do. He was on a horse who many (including myself) thought was extremely overbet, but still very logical and the classiest horse in the race. I think he did a good job but I wont remember this ride 1 week from now.

Ramon is a great rider.

what do you think of the ride in question? whether or not he was a winner , should he have quit riding?

:tro: :tro: :tro:

job security for you.

I just watched a replay (twice) of this focusing on Western Deed and I dont see how he could have done anything more that would have added value to his job in this instance. 2nd place is as good as he could have gotten and its not like he got nailed for 2nd or even ever made it close for 2nd. I dont have a problem with this. Its no different to me than the ride Chavez gave on Eightfiveinafifty when he stopped urging the horse at the 1/16th pole when he was leading by 15 and still drawing away, winding up winning by 17.

but timmy why quit riding when the horse in front of you is going backwards?

even gpk said borel would have ridden the horse out , he still wouldn't have won in gpk's opinion , but explain to me why he would stop trying and in gpk's opinion borel would have kept trying .....shouldn't you always ride out even if the chance to win is less than 10% ????

I dont agree that the winner was going backwards. The rider knew where the line was and knew he had enough to win the race. Not by a whole lot but a comfortable enough margin. Sure he was getting tired, but there wasnt enough race track left for it to be a concern. I think the chance of him winning this race at this point was a lot lss than 10% and it would have taken a fall down from the winner for him to win, in which case he would have won because he was clear for 2nd. Ramon did his job.

Marty, Jocks quit riding early every day. I just don't understand why you keep harping on this one particular ride that didn't affect anything. It looked like he stopped with less than 50 yards to go when it was clear he wasn't getting to the winner. Plus he held on to second, so I just don't understand why you keep on harping on this particular ride (other than having a beef with Dominguez).

i had let it go , someone with a brain decided to ressurect it this am

I kind of feel like as long as the guy doesnt cost the horse the best possible place finish, I could care less about his lack of trying or body language. I also never understood everybody's beef with jockey's who pump their fist a few yards beefore the finish line or point to the stands and stop riding..."showboating" I think its called. I could care less as long as the horse wins. I have yet to come across a jockey who by showboating caused his or her horse to lose.

Well, the worst ride of Solis' career was on Aptitude in the Belmont. Solis didn't ride for Frankel after that ride for YEARS.

Ever head the phrase "beating a dead horse? Maybe THAT was the situation with Dominques?

as well as this thread.

It's a conspiracy!Money was exchanged,promises were made,worlds collided,dogs and cats living together,Total anarchy!!!!!

what was great , was he burned me , i loved executive search (A Serpa), who was stuck on the rail and got second.....put it this way, if ramon was on MY horse it would of been a closer race! he gets the best mounts because he rides the most consistantly...that simple. people say this about every great rider...what do you think, the owners and trainers are idiots? of course they are going to give their best contenders to the best jock. this logic is a lack there of. HE GETS THE BEST HORSES BECAUSE HE RIDES THE BEST RACE AT AQUEDUCT. again, if you think hes not trying..i think you are crazy. i wish 90 % of these guys tried like ramon.........:zz: you are right ..hes a great rider. i don't know what others are thinking.