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gales0678 01-08-2010 11:38 AM

mr president
 
where are the jobs?

hoovesupsideyourhead 01-08-2010 11:56 AM

oh snap..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53ifcEwAb_A

SOREHOOF 01-08-2010 02:50 PM

Washington D.C. More openings this coming fall.

johnny pinwheel 01-08-2010 03:14 PM

i would of asked that about 15 years ago when both parties passed all of those trade agreements. this is the result. i remember ross perot talking about a giant sucking sound of jobs leaving the country. well the last drop just went down the drain. i heard wal marts was hiring......you can work there selling SH!T from every other country but ours......lol;)

randallscott35 01-08-2010 03:20 PM

But you see it's still not his economy. He just hires criminals to run it.

Riot 01-08-2010 03:24 PM

The President just gave a great speech on the most recent terrorist attack, he's already implemented changes in the way the involved organizations have run for the past 8 years, his approval ratings are moving right back up, so some have to do everything to distract from his immediate successes, I guess.

Our President has been too busy keeping the US out of depression, putting out a stimulus package that worked, starting to shut down Gitmo, beefing up and concentrating on Afghanistan while getting out of Iraq, paying serious attention to Al Q. in other countries with great success, finally getting health care reform passed (in a manner that will help reduce the deficit and keep Medicare solvent another 15-20 years), restarting stem cell research, etc. He's got a Treasury Secretary that needs to be fired, banks that need to still be biotch-slapped.

He's already started on jobs. More will come. 10% unemployment isn't going to go away in a year.

People are finally starting to notice that while the far, far right crazies have been screeching about birth certificates, Muslims, Communists, Socialists and Hitler; the GOP has been throwing a temper tantrum voting no to everything and screaming he's adding to the overwhelming deficit they left this country, rather than participating in any meaningful way in the legislative process they were elected to serve, this President has had one of the most accomplished first legislative years of any President in recent history.

Am I glad I voted for Obama over McCain and Caribou Barbie? Ten times a day, yes. We would have already probably invaded Iran. I can live without that.

Let the screaming and personal attacks begin ;)

SOREHOOF 01-08-2010 05:06 PM

The Republicans have been kind of locked out of any "legislative process". They do get blamed for being obstructionists when the House or Senate can't get enough votes from their own side of the aisle. This congress does not NEED any votes from the Repubs to advance their socialist agenda. Obama gave a good speech? Which frikkin one? It took 3 days for any comment at all and now they can't shut him up. Like most of the liberal lawyers in the Govt. he never met a problem that couldn't be talked away. If the stimulus worked so well why don't they give back the 60% (give or take) that hasn't been spent yet? If they are doing such a good job they won't need it to buy re-election will they?

timmgirvan 01-08-2010 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF
The Republicans have been kind of locked out of any "legislative process". They do get blamed for being obstructionists when the House or Senate can't get enough votes from their own side of the aisle. This congress does not NEED any votes from the Repubs to advance their socialist agenda. Obama gave a good speech? Which frikkin one? It took 3 days for any comment at all and now they can't shut him up. Like most of the liberal lawyers in the Govt. he never met a problem that couldn't be talked away. If the stimulus worked so well why don't they give back the 60% (give or take) that hasn't been spent yet? If they are doing such a good job they won't need it to buy re-election will they?

I was just gonna say this:D :tro: :tro:

Riot 01-08-2010 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF
The Republicans have been kind of locked out of any "legislative process".

No, they haven't. Have you not noticed the never ending obstructionism, the constant fillibuster threats? From day one? On every little thing? Every vote? Blocking budget approval for our troops just to delay? What has the GOP vote been on every issue before Congress and the Senate this year? Check that out.

Plenty of GOP stuff was included in the house healthcare bill - including tort reform. They were specifically invited by Obama to submit what they wanted, and they did.

The Dems finally have got it right - lock the obstructionist politicos who are more worried about re-relection than healthcare reconciliation out of the process, and they absolutely deserve it. Dump the obstructionist crybabies and get something done in spite of them.

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Obama gave a good speech? Which frikkin one? It took 3 days for any comment at all and now they can't shut him up.
LOL - Bush didn't speak for a week, then mentioned shoebomber Reid only in passing. Obama had a statement issued the same day, then addressed the country on day three, and gave a great speech last night. And has already altered transportation policies to give greater security, including profiling.

Where's the complaining far right, who have been calling for profiling all over Fox News since Christmas, saying, "about time, thank you" for that last bit?

BTW, what's up with Rudy Guliani? I thought he decided to drop politics? Hitting talk shows and news orgs in the last 24 hours, saying there were no terrorist attacks on George Bush's watch? With a straight face? Mr. 9-11?

Danzig 01-08-2010 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
No, they haven't. Have you not noticed the never ending obstructionism, the constant fillibuster threats? From day one? On every little thing? Every vote? Blocking budget approval for our troops just to delay? What has the GOP vote been on every issue before Congress and the Senate this year? Check that out.
Plenty of GOP stuff was included in the house healthcare bill - including tort reform. They were specifically invited by Obama to submit what they wanted, and they did.

The Dems finally have got it right - lock the obstructionist politicos who are more worried about re-relection than healthcare reconciliation out of the process, and they absolutely deserve it. Dump the obstructionist crybabies and get something done in spite of them.



LOL - Bush didn't speak for a week, then mentioned shoebomber Reid only in passing. Obama had a statement issued the same day, then addressed the country on day three, and gave a great speech last night. And has already altered transportation policies to give greater security, including profiling.

Where's the complaining far right, who have been calling for profiling all over Fox News since Christmas, saying, "about time, thank you" for that last bit?

BTW, what's up with Rudy Guliani? I thought he decided to drop politics? Hitting talk shows and news orgs in the last 24 hours, saying there were no terrorist attacks on George Bush's watch? With a straight face? Mr. 9-11?


sounds just like when the reps had control and the dems did the same. how great the sin when someone else is committing it. :rolleyes:

Riot 01-08-2010 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
sounds just like when the reps had control and the dems did the same. how great the sin when someone else is committing it. :rolleyes:

One might look back at how much the Dems did during those times ... they were absolutely not completely, stupidly obstructionist as is occuring now.

Weird thing today: Eric Cantor (minority whip) came out today, saying one couldn't and shouldn't blame only Obama on poor economy and no jobs. Gee, ya think?

Cannon Shell 01-08-2010 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

Plenty of GOP stuff was included in the house healthcare bill - including tort reform. They were specifically invited by Obama to submit what they wanted, and they did.

This is fiction

timmgirvan 01-08-2010 06:14 PM

Well, I appreciate the complete transparency by which the Administration and Democrats are conducting themselves. Truly a model for future generations:wf

Riot 01-08-2010 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Well, I appreciate the complete transparency by which the Administration and Democrats are conducting themselves. Truly a model for future generations:wf

Actually, yeah, Timmi, they have been quite transparent - check out the .gov websites.

You, of course, are referring to C-Span asking to televise the House-Senate healthcare negotiations I assume?

That one was on The Daily Show- the healthcare debate tapes C-Span has on their website have gotten 10 views and like 92 views. Really a barn-burner for people wanting to see it <g>

Riot 01-08-2010 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
This is fiction

Wrong.

Honu 01-08-2010 06:43 PM

All I can say is WOW.

SOREHOOF 01-08-2010 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
No, they haven't. Have you not noticed the never ending obstructionism, the constant fillibuster threats? From day one? On every little thing? Every vote? Blocking budget approval for our troops just to delay? What has the GOP vote been on every issue before Congress and the Senate this year? Check that out.

Plenty of GOP stuff was included in the house healthcare bill - including tort reform. They were specifically invited by Obama to submit what they wanted, and they did.

The Dems finally have got it right - lock the obstructionist politicos who are more worried about re-relection than healthcare reconciliation out of the process, and they absolutely deserve it. Dump the obstructionist crybabies and get something done in spite of them.



LOL - Bush didn't speak for a week, then mentioned shoebomber Reid only in passing. Obama had a statement issued the same day, then addressed the country on day three, and gave a great speech last night. And has already altered transportation policies to give greater security, including profiling.

Where's the complaining far right, who have been calling for profiling all over Fox News since Christmas, saying, "about time, thank you" for that last bit?

BTW, what's up with Rudy Guliani? I thought he decided to drop politics? Hitting talk shows and news orgs in the last 24 hours, saying there were no terrorist attacks on George Bush's watch? With a straight face? Mr. 9-11?

What Bill was that troop funding attached to? Profiling? I guess that's better than a full cavity search. And please, PLEASE, stop bringing up Bush. He hasn't been President for well over a year and a half. Please. If you have to compare Obama to Bush to make him look good, you kind of prove my point for me. The dems were fillibustering judicial nominees. A big difference from legislative fillibustering. As far as the Republicans voting no on everything. Riot, I would have too.

Cannon Shell 01-08-2010 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Wrong.

Prove it

Gander 01-08-2010 07:35 PM

I thought this thread was about Jimmy's horse Mr President or is that Mr Universe? And anybody know what happened to this horse? I bet him two back and he hung badly at 9/1 against a very beatable field.

2MinsToPost 01-08-2010 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander
I thought this thread was about Jimmy's horse Mr President or is that Mr Universe? And anybody know what happened to this horse? I bet him two back and he hung badly at 9/1 against a very beatable field.

Now thats the way to make me laugh, honestly and thanks. No I don't know the answer to that either. :tro: :tro:

Honu 01-08-2010 09:00 PM

I know Im not as astute as most here in the political forum but these are the things I would like to see the president do.

Clean up all friviolous programs , Im sure I dont know all of them but Im also sure there are some that are just plain stupid.

Stop sending aid or food to countries who dont value the same things as we do , such as life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Stop beating around the bush when it comes to countries who let terrorists live and reside in their countries , either kill them all or we will including and Im sorry to say anyone around them.

Welfare reform , when someone gets a job for the minimum wage dont cut off their food stamps , for crying out loud 7.25 an hour doesnt buy food , give them food stamps and no money until they are earning enough to buy all that they need.

Suggest a tax on all goods sold and do out with income tax , it just seems stupid for people to be taxed for working.

These are just a few things I woud like to see the president touch upon , I know he wont but maybe the next man or woman will.


Deny anyone of the Islamic faith access to this country until every background check that can be done is done , racial profiling yes, do I give a crap NO!!!

Danzig 01-08-2010 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gander
I thought this thread was about Jimmy's horse Mr President or is that Mr Universe? And anybody know what happened to this horse? I bet him two back and he hung badly at 9/1 against a very beatable field.


you'd be looking for the paddock.

Danzig 01-08-2010 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
One might look back at how much the Dems did during those times ... they were absolutely not completely, stupidly obstructionist as is occuring now.

Weird thing today: Eric Cantor (minority whip) came out today, saying one couldn't and shouldn't blame only Obama on poor economy and no jobs. Gee, ya think?


if you really think that, then you're not using the same measuring stick. as for eric cantor, he's right. i blame more than the president. i blame congress as well, and we all know what party is in control of both places right now. but i'm sure that's pure coincidence. as for your mention of unemployment-i recall the stimulus billed as being necessary to keep unemployment from reaching 10 %. but, when you don't add and subtract correctly, i can see where mistakes can happen with math.

Riot 01-08-2010 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Prove it

LOL - you're the one that's saying it's "fiction". You prove it's false. Maybe after you read section 2531. Not perfect, but a good start, and straight GOP input.

Riot 01-08-2010 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF
What Bill was that troop funding attached to? Profiling? I guess that's better than a full cavity search. And please, PLEASE, stop bringing up Bush. He hasn't been President for well over a year and a half. Please. If you have to compare Obama to Bush to make him look good, you kind of prove my point for me. The dems were fillibustering judicial nominees. A big difference from legislative fillibustering. As far as the Republicans voting no on everything. Riot, I would have too.

The troop funding bill was separate, is normally a routine approval to keep the military paid, and was the week prior to the healthcare vote. The GOP frankly (and stupidly) admitted to reporters they were fillibustering that funding to try and delay a healthcare vote before Christmas. They caved on it (you can't withhold paychecks from our soldiers)

Bush is mentioned and brought up, as the people who are attacking Obama regarding his response to Crotchbomber are Republican, and completely hypocritical to not recall how Bush, in the exact same situation, did nothing. No press release, to discussion at all for a week, then only casually in passing. And that was pretty much it.

Okay, fine - let's just discuss what Obama has done. The day it happened, his office issued comment. For after that, I"ll quote Steve Benen:

Quote:

The Abdulmutallab attempt was two weeks ago today. Over the course of these two weeks, President Obama has spoken publicly about the incident three times -- Dec. 29, Jan. 5, and Jan. 9. He also devoted his weekly address to the subject last weekend. Also, over the span of two weeks, the president's national security team prepared a relatively thorough security review of what transpired and a new directive on corrective actions.
Which President do I want to deal with this? Clearly Obama. He not only addressed it as soon as he had accurate information, clearly spoke aggressively against our enemy (Al Queda) and within two weeks changed procedures that tighten security and profile flights incoming from particular countries. I read the FBI is already in Ghana looking for the guys who trained this kid. Obama definitely gets a big old :tro: for that.

Regarding fillibustering: look at the numbers of legislative fillibusters in the past. It's gone way up. The use of it has changed. It used to be used only for important differences in major legislation.

The Dems have the votes, far more than enough majority, and our Senate works by majority rule. But the GOP are fillibustering virtually everything, forcing cloture votes for the simplist of measures to pass. That's absurd. For no other purpose than delay, obstruction and to make Obama look bad - which they have admitted in public, too.

There's talk about Reid should be forcing the GOP to actually fillibuster in person (not just notify the threat) and cause them to be present on C-span, standing at the podium, so the public can watch who is actually obstructing the progress of government here. They are discussing doing that rather than changing the fillibuster rules.

If the GOP wanted to vote no on everything, they just should have voted no and stood on their principles. Not fillibuster, delay, obstruct every darn thing in an attempt to circumvent the Constitution. Not put their party and their politics above country.

SOREHOOF 01-09-2010 04:36 AM

A lot of people think the Democrats agenda would be bad for the country, and should be strongly opposed by any and all measures.

Cannon Shell 01-09-2010 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot
LOL - you're the one that's saying it's "fiction". You prove it's false. Maybe after you read section 2531. Not perfect, but a good start, and straight GOP input.

No you prove it is true. If you make a unsubstantiated remark and dont provide any proof or backing then why would anyone believe it?

dellinger63 01-09-2010 08:35 AM

Two simple questions

1. Did Obama have to go to Napolitano to tell her their system didn't work or does she still believe it does?

2. What are her reasons for believing such and why does she still have a job?

dellinger63 01-09-2010 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot

Not fillibuster, delay, obstruct every darn thing in an attempt to circumvent the Constitution. Not put their party and their politics above country.

Funny considering Dems have outlawed owning a gun (even inside your home) in Chicago and not one peep about the constitution from them. THEY not only ATTEMPTED to circumvent but did. Similar to what happend to Obama's senate seat. Wonder if a small town put say 'women's right to vote' to a test or is it just certain parts of the constitution Dems don't like?

hoovesupsideyourhead 01-09-2010 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
Funny considering Dems have outlawed owning a gun (even inside your home) in Chicago and not one peep about the constitution from them. THEY not only ATTEMPTED to circumvent but did. Similar to what happend to Obama's senate seat. Wonder if a small town put say 'women's right to vote' to a test or is it just certain parts of the constitution Dems don't like?

:tro: :tro: :tro:

SOREHOOF 01-09-2010 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
Funny considering Dems have outlawed owning a gun (even inside your home) in Chicago and not one peep about the constitution from them. THEY not only ATTEMPTED to circumvent but did. Similar to what happend to Obama's senate seat. Wonder if a small town put say 'women's right to vote' to a test or is it just certain parts of the constitution Dems don't like?

Kind of like the ACLU deciding which civil rights are worth fighting for and which ones aren't. There won't be enough of the Constitution left to wipe your @ss with by the time Obama, his Administration, and Democrat held Congress get done "fundamentally transforming" it.

Riot 01-09-2010 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
No you prove it is true. If you make a unsubstantiated remark and dont provide any proof or backing then why would anyone believe it?

I just did. Guess you didn't bother to read it.

Riot 01-09-2010 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF
A lot of people think the Democrats agenda would be bad for the country, and should be strongly opposed by any and all measures.

I understand that point. The question becomes, then, is it abuse or misuse of the rules, or clever playing within them, to change the way the Senate is supposed to work constitutionally?

Riot 01-09-2010 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Honu
I know Im not as astute as most here in the political forum but these are the things I would like to see the president do.!

I would like everyone to have a pony :tro:

Riot 01-09-2010 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
Two simple questions

1. Did Obama have to go to Napolitano to tell her their system didn't work or does she still believe it does?

2. What are her reasons for believing such and why does she still have a job?

If you had watched any of the news <vbg>, the President came right out and said, "the system didn't work".

The reason she still has her job is that she was, if you re-watch the Sunday morning shows were she said it, referring to what happened after the guy lit his pants on fire (getting off the plane, etc). She wasn't saying "the system worked" in reference to the guy being able to get on the plane. That was taken out of context. But she shouldn't have gone there knowing there would be sound bites. Most of the major news orgs did point that out - eventually - by Tuesday or Wednesday.

timmgirvan 01-09-2010 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot
I understand that point. The question becomes, then, is it abuse or misuse of the rules, or clever playing within them, to change the way the Senate is supposed to work constitutionally?

IF YOU are honest with yourself, you know this is fundamentally wrong.

Riot 01-09-2010 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
Funny considering Dems have outlawed owning a gun (even inside your home) in Chicago and not one peep about the constitution from them. THEY not only ATTEMPTED to circumvent but did. Similar to what happend to Obama's senate seat. Wonder if a small town put say 'women's right to vote' to a test or is it just certain parts of the constitution Dems don't like?

Because that's not unconstitutional. There have been many legal discussions and cases regarding the second amendment (and the fourteenth), and the judicial findings have always been clear on the interpretation of what it encompasses.

Riot 01-09-2010 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
IF YOU are honest with yourself, you know this is fundamentally wrong.

What is fundamentally wrong? I don't understand what you are referring to.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorehoof
A lot of people think the Democrats agenda would be bad for the country, and should be strongly opposed by any and all measures.

Originally Posted by Riot
I understand that point. The question becomes, then, is it abuse or misuse of the rules, or clever playing within them, to change the way the Senate is supposed to work constitutionally?

timmgirvan 01-09-2010 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot
What is fundamentally wrong? I don't understand what you are referring to.

the answer to your post to Sorehoof! Either option you give in the answer is WRONG! This isn't some game(although politics is probably considered sport in D.C.) You appear to be OK with this.

SOREHOOF 01-09-2010 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot
What is fundamentally wrong? I don't understand what you are referring to.

Ya gotta do what'cha gotta do. Anything the dems do is o.k. Evertything the repubs do isn't, even if it is the same thing?


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