Stretching the field...
 

is what fear of giving up the deep ball does.


* Welker's biggest play of the game:

(Moss is at the top of the photo. He has a corner 3 yards past him. The corner on Moss has underneath help from a line backer - and deep help from a safety. Meanwhile, Welker gets to stroll untouched into a HUGE space in the middle of the field at the 20. If the safety hadn't started the play by playing super deep - Welker wouldn't have so much room)





* Ben Watson's biggest play of the game:

(Moss is in the middle of the field & going deep. He's getting triple teamed. 3 Panther defenders have a triangle around him. Two other Panther defenders are standing at 39 and 31 yard line, towards the bottom of the screen, with their thumbs in their butt and nothing happening around them.

5 different defenders are being accounted for by either Randy Moss or open space he has created by going deep.

This leaves Brady with enough time to eat a hot dog - and two excellently favorable one-on-one match-ups to exploit. Those are the type of plays that made so many BUM qb's put up all-world numbers with Moss)





Anyone think Wes Welker would be 1/5th as successful as he has been in New England when he's playing on a team where opposing defenses don't respect and fear the deep ball?

If you want to take Moss out of the game and triple team him early on like so ....



You're probably going to accomplish that. I'm not sure it's going to help you win ... but hey, it will probably lead to Moss having a bad stats day - and give the gossip writers who call themselves football journalists reason to say he isn't trying.

Welker's best game this year was against the Jets, when Moss doesn't get double-covered because it's completely unnecessary.

The Jets were trying to cover Welker with some raggity ass linebacker who couldn't defend me.

They gave up almost 100 yards to Julian Edellman in week #2 - a white guy who was Kent State's qb last year - a guy who was drafted in round #7 - and a guy who wasn't even activated for week #1.

Your boy Beavis played two masterful games against Moss - good for him.

The fact is - he did have deep safety help A LOT. Basically, Moss was getting doubled if he was going deep .. and anything under 20 yards Reavis stood his ground admirably.

What you fail to mention is that the Jets blitzed the living sh!t of the Pats. Welker basically was one on one with a linebacker or a nickle guy the entire game - same as Edellman was.

The Saints doubled both Moss and Welker and only rushed 3 guys. They basically did the opposite of the Jets - put less pressure on Brady, but force Brady to beat them with Sam Aiken and tight ends.

The Saints are the only team that beat NE conclusively all year.

where was maroney , the saints aren't exactly a team that stops the run like the 85 bears

bill should have run the ball with maroney more and kept his defense off the field

drugs whether moss does good or not , this defense is not carrying the pats anywhere this year

Phony Maroney should be made to wear pink every single game ... not just for breast cancer awareness month.

He's my least favorite Patriots player. Remember - the ancient Fred Taylor was there money running rb before he got hurt.

I picked up Maroney when Taylor went down in that fantasy leauge - he was a great fantasy pick up - like 6 straight weeks with a TD. He fumbles and he's a dancing pansy. He's an absolute liability. When they've had the lead late in games on the road - Maroney is worthless when teams are looking for the run.

This defense is the '85 Bears compared to every single defense Moss had in Minnesota.

drugs the pats are regressing

maybe they get through the 1st round but do you really see them beating the colts and chargers in b2b weeks to get to the superbowl

i don't see it , heck the bungals could also beat them in the afc title game

don't forget the fish , jets , jags and ravens

I'd feel a lot more confident if they still had Richard Seymour.

Brady and Moss are both 1st ballot hall of famers ... I'm not sure if Seymour is but he damn sure should be.

ah again as i said back to the defense

i just don't think this D can hold up for 3 straight games this Jan

There is no defensive unit that outclasses them. Maybe eight or nine are a little better - but not by a whole lot.

This is easily the 3rd best defense Moss has ever had.

Clearly behind the 18-1 '07 Pats

And somewhat behind the 11-5 '08 Matt Cassell's

Might want to learn how to spell the name of Moss's daddy. It's to the point where Revis Christ should make Moss hold the inside of his pocket and follow him to the bathroom.

And the Saints could've beaten the Pats rushing zero guys. They're an infinitely better team than New England.

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS There is no defensive unit that outclasses them. Maybe eight or nine are a little better - but not by a whole lot.

don't think so ....if they were tops in the league or right there uncle bill punts the ball away against the colts and makes them go 70 + yds to beat them

remember bill b is a defenese coach and that is where he knows best , if that was his giant defense from the 80's he punts the ball in that spot, he knows what he has an avg defense with no difference maker

That game was as much a reflection of the Saints superiority over the Patriots as the 59-0 NE win over the Titans was a reflection of the Pats superiority over the Titans.

The Saints were infinitely better that night. They did things NE hasn't seen before .. and NE didn't adjust well to it offensively .. and defensively - they got abused.

The Saints needed three of the luckiest plays I've ever seen just to force overtime and beat the Redskins. Over the course of a year - every team has great performances and lousy ones.

In case you haven't noticed, the Redskins have played way better of late. In the past five weeks, they've beaten the Broncos, lost heartbreakers on the road against Dallas and Philly, crushed Oakland and should've beaten New Orleans. It's a different team. You can't possibly think the Pats are even close to the Saints.

[quote=ateamstupid]In case you haven't noticed, the Redskins have played way better of late. In the past five weeks, they've beaten the Broncos, lost heartbreakers on the road against Dallas and Philly, crushed Oakland and should've beaten New Orleans. It's a different team. You can't possibly think the Pats are even close to the Saints.[/QUOTE]


it doesn't matter about the saints , this defnese will not hold up for 3 games in jan joey

I'm not a decorated football handicapper or anything ... I'm no more qualified in my non Randy Moss football opinons than anyone else here.

That said .... I like this defense a whole hell of a lot better than the 1998 Vikings defense - and that team went 15-1.

This isn't a bad defense. If they still had Richard Seymour ... I wouldn't take any other defense in the entire leauge over them when you look at the way Baltimore and Pittsburgh have been playing

Gimme a break - the Pats were like a 1 point underdog in that game against the Saints - and it was a night game in New Orleans on Thanksgiving weekend.

Let's say the Saints played NE in NE next week ... I'm not so sure the Pats wouldn't be favored by a couple points.

seymour isn't coming back , there is no pass rush , surely you understand moss is not the same player he was back in '98 , surely you understand chris carter was an all time WR on the other side of the field , robert smith was a stud out of ohio st , culpepper was healthy at this point and did what he had to do

this defense just doesn't have a difference maker and that will be the difference

pats will win the east , maybe win a game or two in the playoffs , but , the defense will not hold up over 3 games , even if moss goes off

pats would be favored over any team in the nfl dec/jan in foxboro becuase the $$$ would dictate that , remember vegas wants 50/50 action so they can collect the vig

Who gives a sh it what the spread was or if it was Thanksgiving? What does that have to do with anything when the Pats got massacred and have looked just as terrible since? Trust me, if the Saints are laying 7 1/2 to the Vegas darlings this week, there's no way in hell they'd be underdogs against a team that was just life and death to beat the Panthers at home.

Even if they were somehow underdogs, again that's irrelevant. The Pats are total pretenders buddy. Even the Massholes at Pats Pulpit and Bill Simmons realize this.

Dude - Brad Johnson was the starting qb of the '98 team - and Randall Cunnhingham the backup eventually became starter when Johnson got hurt. Cunningham won the NFL MVP award that year.

Culpepper was in college at Central Florida when that team was great.

Jeff George was the Vikes starting qb the following year - he won a playoff game and played in a pro bowl.

Culpepper was the starter of the 2000 Vikes team.

Weren't the Panthers like the NFC's #1 or #2 seed last year? They don't have a bad defense ... Jake the Turnover machine is the reason why their record isn't so hot. He didn't play.

Anyway - the Pats are 18-0 at home when both Brady and Moss play. They beat the living piss out of Arizona in the snow with Cassell last year - and they beat Tenneesse 59-0 - in what some suggested might have been the most statistically lopsided game in NFL history - during an unexpected snow storm this year.

If you think a dome team from both the NFC and the South is going to come into New England at this time of the year and be a favored in the betting ... you're crazy.

ok so i got the qb wrong , big deal , what does any of this have to do with this years pats defense ?????

[quote=The Indomitable DrugS]Weren't the Panthers like the NFC's #1 or #2 seed last year? They don't have a bad defense ... Jake the Turnover machine is the reason why their record isn't so hot. He didn't play.

Anyway - the Pats are 18-0 at home when both Brady and Moss play. They beat the living piss out of Arizona in the snow with Cassell last year - and they beat Tenneesse 59-0 - in what some suggested might have been the most statistically lopsided game in NFL history - during an unexpected snow storm this year.

If you think a dome team from both the NFC and the South is going to come into New England at this time of the year and be a favored in the betting ... you're crazy.[/QUOTE]


NE wil be favored but it's irrelavant , if they see them at all it will be in the sunshine state where there def will be grasping for air

Your ability to move the goal posts, ignore obvious facts, cherry pick games and stats and change the point of discussion is breathtaking. So much so that I find it hard to believe you're not one of the Zenyatta for HOY tards.

However good the Pats are at home is pretty much a moot point when they can't beat anyone on the road and won't have more than two more games in Foxboro the rest of the season. You should probably hope they survive in Buffalo (the team that pretty much beat them in Foxboro this year) before worrying about the Saints.

remember the cards were 8-8 last year , check out their 4 games on the east coast and tell me what they did

surely you understand they shut it down in that game before they even took the field as the divison was already wrapped up and they weren't moving up in the seedings

as for tenn this year , what does 59-0 really mean when VY didn't start

Wasn't Tennessee like the #1 seed in the AFC last year without Vince Young starting?

They played like a highschool team would have rolled them

Yes.

Thank you for noticing.

what does last year have to do with this year?

ok lets say they get in as the 6 seed on luck

care to give me 59 pts in the rematch?

Titans PASSING stats for that game against New England

Collins 2-for-12, -7 yards 1 INT
Young 0-for-2, 0 yards 1 INT

The Titans QB's went a combined 2-for-14 for negative 7 yards passing and 2 INT's !!

They completed as many passes to NE's defense as they did to their own offense. And considering the two completions resulted in negative 7 yards - they'd have been better off being incompletions.

As for the stats of the Pats QB's ....

Brady 29/34 380 6TD 0INT
Hoyer 9/11 52 0TD 0 INT

The score was 59-0 halfway through the 3rd quarter !!!

Anyway ... like I said ... that game is as much of a reflection of how good the Pats are - as the Saints game is a reflection of how bad the Pats are.

Ughh, I truly feel bad for you. The Jets are a disgrace and Sanchez will never be Brady, HE WILL NEVER EVER WIN A NFL CHAMPIONSHIP, hes not that guy. The Jets are a trash team, and really a joke.

You tell em Joey!

Thank you so, so much. I was a little hesitant about declaring the Pats dead and saying that Sanchez will win us a SB, but then YOU came along and said this. Da mush of all mushes has spoken. You're the best. And by best I mean saddest know nothing bandwagon riding terrible gambler loser douche in the history of everything. How is it Hossy smacks you into nonexistence, yet you're louder and more annoying than ever and he's AWOL? It isn't fair.

LOL, you're the joke man. If you could, I'd bet you would sell your sister just so DrugS will be your imaginary internet buddy. Too funny, your hard on for DrugS is as big as his hard on for Randy Moss. Keep it up, it's good comedy. As far as A-team goes, he's a damn Jets fan. What the hell is wrong with that? At least he doesn't jump ship every year. There is no way you were a Pats fan when they sucked.

It also helps that not one starter in the Tennessee backfield were sitting on the sidelines on crutches before the game began.

Hes right and Ateam is wrong, its pretty simple. The Jets are a joke and the Patriots are one of the best run organizations in the History of the NFL. Anyone arguing that is a joke. Its cool Ateam being a Jets fan, whatever... But they suck and have for a long time, and the Patriots are always good and will be for the next 5-10 years. Hard on? Thats funny, looks to me like you have one for Ateam.

You're a Patriots fan and a Yankees fan. Anybody who roots for both of those teams should be shot in the face. Let me guess, you like the Lakers too. Effing DrugS has more credibility as a Pats fan than you, clown.

:tro: :tro: :tro:

champion post sir 'team'

Im a Knicks fan, but Im a huge D Wade guy.
I HATE THE LAKERS.

If I had a sister ... I would probably do the same.

Sorry man. I couldn't resist.