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hoovesupsideyourhead 12-13-2009 03:09 PM
cali racing..why bother
 
the field size for hollywood is bad..where are the horses at.. are they all geared twards pro ride.. what is the deal..:rolleyes:

Duvalier 12-13-2009 03:16 PM
The better horses are pointing to the Santa Anita meet and alot of the cheaper stock have been moved to cheaper tracks containing slot machines to take advantage of the inflated purses.

TheSpyder 12-13-2009 03:40 PM
Still, there is no good excuse. It's very sad.

arizonadave 12-13-2009 04:00 PM
They need to stop running on Wednesdays.

2Hot4TV 12-13-2009 04:28 PM
Alot have left for better purse money and dirt.

California racing really needs help. Casino gaming and state lotto gaming has killed horse racing and if they dont get some help we are looking at the future. 5 and 6 horse races.

It will be the same at Santa Anita for the winter meet.

2Hot4TV 12-13-2009 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by arizonadave
They need to stop running on Wednesdays.
Wont help, too many leaving for dirt and purse money.

2Hot4TV 12-13-2009 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Duvalier
The better horses are pointing to the Santa Anita meet and alot of the cheaper stock have been moved to cheaper tracks containing slot machines to take advantage of the inflated purses.
The better horses has gone or retired, think about it when a returning Lava Man is givin high weight:zz: :zz: :zz:

10 pnt move up 12-13-2009 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TheSpyder
Still, there is no good excuse. It's very sad.
How can you say there is no good excuse...business has been run out of California.

10 pnt move up 12-13-2009 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV
Wont help, too many leaving for dirt and purse money.
they are not leaving for dirt, that is a crock....Oneill did not leave to Philly to get on dirt....its all about money

if SA had 25k bottom level purses they would be just as filled up, if 50k claimers had around 50k purse they would have 10 horse fields.

Also it costs way more to run horses in socal, it is very expensive and most of the "money" has been driven out of the state.

SCUDSBROTHER 12-13-2009 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
the field size for hollywood is bad..where are the horses at.. are they all geared twards pro ride.. what is the deal..:rolleyes:
Seems like it's been a tough time of year for a while. Didn't Pedroza win the jock title at this meet a few years back? I think the Pro Ride at Anita is also a factor (tiring surface...they want to give them a break before that long meet.) Also, HWD PARK has gotten to be pretty depressing looking. I can be there in about 10 minutes, but it is not an uplifting environment. It would seem to be beneath a lot of people. BTW..If Hit Da Brix WINS THE LAST, then a Free $20 bet goes to the out of work ex-drunk in Ohio.

SCUDSBROTHER 12-13-2009 06:33 PM
Worked..G DAMN.....It's like J.C. himself was smoking that chalk up front for me. What a set up. Decarchy kids be loving a hot set up.

2Hot4TV 12-13-2009 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
they are not leaving for dirt, that is a crock....Oneill did not leave to Philly to get on dirt....its all about money

if SA had 25k bottom level purses they would be just as filled up, if 50k claimers had around 50k purse they would have 10 horse fields.

Also it costs way more to run horses in socal, it is very expensive and most of the "money" has been driven out of the state.
Right they love the syntheics, thats why Dutrow, Pletcher, Rice and others kept thier barns in So Cal. Baffert and others have sent good horses away because of the surface. It all adds up to 5 horse races.

jms62 12-13-2009 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by arizonadave
They need to stop running on Wednesdays.
At the bare minimum they need to cancel Wed and possibly Thursdays.

randallscott35 12-13-2009 06:42 PM
Just run on Saturdays. Big fields.

SCUDSBROTHER 12-13-2009 06:50 PM
O.K....2 min to post....Put the $20 play here. It's not live until I confirm I played it.

hoovesupsideyourhead 12-13-2009 06:57 PM
your teddy is on the pipe..

SCUDSBROTHER 12-13-2009 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
your teddy is on the pipe..
Hey, I had

1) a jock ride really hard for me

2) a race shape go exactly my way

I'm giving all the credit to giving that dude the free bet. Last I heard, he was having a tough time.

10 pnt move up 12-13-2009 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV
Right they love the syntheics, thats why Dutrow, Pletcher, Rice and others kept thier barns in So Cal. Baffert and others have sent good horses away because of the surface. It all adds up to 5 horse races.
Synthetics 10%, the cost versus profit 90%...how are the fields at Kee by the way?

10 pnt move up 12-13-2009 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Just run on Saturdays. Big fields.
They should just cancel the state IMO...that state needs major legislative change.

I dont think people understand how precarious the situation is for racing in socal, it would not be good for any state if california racing goes down.

Stickhorse 12-13-2009 10:30 PM
Overreaction
 
Lots of needless drama in this thread

Barns are giving there stock a rest before the Santa Anita meet.

When I started following racing in the late 70's there was no December racing and Oak Tree finished up after the first week in November.

This will all be forgotten the day after Christmas.

pba1817 12-13-2009 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by arizonadave
They need to stop running on Wednesdays.
And Thursdays, and most Fridays....

10 pnt move up 12-13-2009 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Stickhorse
Lots of needless drama in this thread

Barns are giving there stock a rest before the Santa Anita meet.

When I started following racing in the late 70's there was no December racing and Oak Tree finished up after the first week in November.

This will all be forgotten the day after Christmas.
Your joking right?

Can you tell me where all the 32 to 62.5k claiming races have gone? Where have all the maiden races, where are the Alw races?

The only thing left is stake races and mdn claimers, lots of those...the middle is gone. Heck even a staple 5 years ago. the mid level claiming grass race is all but disappeared, this has nothing to do with the HP meet.

letswastemoney 12-13-2009 11:11 PM
People still are betting though....if you build it they will come....even if they are 6 horse fields lol

2Hot4TV 12-14-2009 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Stickhorse
Lots of needless drama in this thread

Barns are giving there stock a rest before the Santa Anita meet.

When I started following racing in the late 70's there was no December racing and Oak Tree finished up after the first week in November.

This will all be forgotten the day after Christmas.
It aint the 70s anymore, Charlie Brown.

The mid level claiming ranks are just about gone.

2Hot4TV 12-14-2009 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
People still are betting though....if you build it they will come....even if they are 6 horse fields lol
You have no idea what it takes to own a horse in training in California.

The handle will just move to other tracks across the nation via the internet.

10 pnt move up 12-14-2009 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV
You have no idea what it takes to own a horse in training in California.

The handle will just move to other tracks across the nation via the internet.
I laugh when I hear people say just let it die.....if there is no horse racing in socal, that would mean no simulcasting...what that hurt say NYRA, or Ky?

Would it hurt the farm economy in Ky?

alysheba4 12-14-2009 04:57 PM
right now, although not as bad as cali......but ALL RACING right now is hidious. i mean, aqueduct is a joke, the horses running at hawthorne / fairgrounds are MULES........its sad.

2Hot4TV 12-14-2009 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
I laugh when I hear people say just let it die.....if there is no horse racing in socal, that would mean no simulcasting...what that hurt say NYRA, or Ky?

Would it hurt the farm economy in Ky?
The internet handle will crush the simulcast money.. No need to go to the track to wager and be around goobers and drunks.:zz:

I dont want California racing to die, but it's going to take tax incentives and larger purse money too bring the owners back. The owners are what makes the game, without thier investment it's only dirt thats left.

AeWingnut 12-14-2009 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV
The internet handle will crush the simulcast money.. No need to go to the track to wager and be around goobers and drunks.:zz:

I dont want California racing to die, but it's going to take tax incentives and larger purse money too bring the owners back. The owners are what makes the game, without thier investment it's only dirt thats left.
the bettors have a lot more to do with it. If the handle disappears there is no purse money for the owners to win.

California is spreading to other states

pba1817 12-14-2009 09:09 PM
I know the costs of being an owner or a trainer in California are silly high. Workers Compensation insurance premiums alone make owning a business in CA a tall order...

asudevil 12-14-2009 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by pba1817
I know the costs of being an owner or a trainer in California are silly high. Workers Compensation insurance premiums alone make owning a business in CA a tall order...
Workers comp 3x the amount of owning a business anywhere else....

10 pnt move up 12-14-2009 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by pba1817
I know the costs of being an owner or a trainer in California are silly high. Workers Compensation insurance premiums alone make owning a business in CA a tall order...
yup, insurance + taxes...hey. I have some wealthy friends who owned horses in socal...they have relocated businesses to other states, and not shockingly have horses at those tracks.

hockey2315 12-14-2009 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
I laugh when I hear people say just let it die.....if there is no horse racing in socal, that would mean no simulcasting...what that hurt say NYRA, or Ky?

Would it hurt the farm economy in Ky?
Really? We don't have racing here in CT, but we have OTBs all over the state.

I'm sure no racing in So Cal would funnel more handle to other tracks.

10 pnt move up 12-14-2009 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
the bettors have a lot more to do with it. If the handle disappears there is no purse money for the owners to win.

California is spreading to other states
I dont think its legal to have any kind if interstate betting if the tracks close.

10 pnt move up 12-14-2009 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by hockey2315
Really? We don't have racing here in CT, but we have OTBs all over the state.

I'm sure no racing in So Cal would funnel more handle to other tracks.
and you think the laws are the same in every state....your funny.

10 pnt move up 12-14-2009 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by hockey2315
Really? We don't have racing here in CT, but we have OTBs all over the state.

I'm sure no racing in So Cal would funnel more handle to other tracks.
also, please explain how that would attract new fans the sport in the largest economy in the country?

hockey2315 12-15-2009 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
and you think the laws are the same in every state....your funny.
It's "you're" - you + are.

If the tracks were to close in this completely hypothetical situation that I'm not necessarily arguing for (although CA racing right now is a complete joke) would those laws stay the same? Would all CA tracks have to close for the state to supposedly lose interstate wagering? What if Los Al were to stay open?


Quote:
Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
also, please explain how that would attract new fans the sport in the largest economy in the country?
So the fate of racing in NY, KY, and elsewhere depends on new blood from California specifically (a more important market in the near future will probably be the international one)? Wouldn't the loss of a major competitor for handle and the influx of new horses and horsepeople counteract that a bit?

You would be a great racing exec under the current regime.

10 pnt move up 12-15-2009 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by hockey2315
It's "you're" - you + are.

If the tracks were to close in this completely hypothetical situation that I'm not necessarily arguing for (although CA racing right now is a complete joke) would those laws stay the same? Would all CA tracks have to close for the state to supposedly lose interstate wagering? What if Los Al were to stay open?




So the fate of racing in NY, KY, and elsewhere depends on new blood from California specifically (a more important market in the near future will probably be the international one)? Wouldn't the loss of a major competitor for handle and the influx of new horses and horsepeople counteract that a bit?

You would be a great racing exec under the current regime.
I don't know if you can run just at Los Al, maybe I guess.

I don't think it works like that, as far as long term model growth. That would be like saying we would all be better off with less competition, when in fact it works the opposite.

I would also argue that Ky is not as healthy as you may think. I have no clue on NYRA other than they were in bankruptcy last year.


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