Healthcare reform
 

LMAO. From MIT's website.

During the 2008 he was a consultant to the Clinton, Edwards and Obama Presidential campaigns.

http://econ-www.mit.edu/faculty/gruberj/shortbio

Keep the blinks on!

Sure, and the GOP is going all out to show how cost effective any healthcare reform whatsoever could be, right? And the GOP focus is on what their constituents want, first, right? You should see the completely ignorant letters Mitch McConnell's office is sending out in response to our letters to his office on this issue. His head is completely up his pompous azz.

i wonder if the economist also ran a report on what it'll cost the govt- in other words, taxpayers.

That is beside the point.

yeah, sure it is. the quicker people start realizing that nothing the govt 'gives' them is free, the better off many would be. it would also help if the guv would come to the realization they can't continue to spend more than they take in.

Healthcare reform is NOT cost effective period. And Gov healthcare will be a nightmare. Unless of course you love waiting in lines, paying more taxes, burdening small businesses or know a 'guy' in the system.

If you read the thread I posted, yes, that is included.

Edit: whoops, wrong article. Here you go: http://www.cbo.gov/publications/collections/health.cfm

So you didn't read the figures in the thread, either?

Since only about 45% (+or -) pay any income taxes at all in this country, I think there are a lot of people who do in fact believe that the Govt. gives away "free" things. As this number continues to rise there will be less and less opposition to increased Govt. spending, and less opposition to increased taxes on the ones left paying taxes. The "rich" already pay more than their fair share. Where is it going to come from? The Govt. is notorious for underestimating how much their pet programs will cost.

Maybe for you.

As for me, I'll be keeping my own current (becoming less expensive) insurance, and my own current doctors, hospitals. No lines for me. No need to "know" anyone in the system.

No change for me, except less expensive and my insurance company won't be able to exclude pre-existing conditions on me or suddenly rescind my insurance just because I make a claim.

My taxes won't go up to cover it as the bill won't be signed into law on that basis.

My friends with small businesses will be able to finally afford reasonably-priced health insurance for their employees. Geesh, that used to cost me alot of money, for few employees, when I had my own business.

Can't wait, too bad it won't happen for a couple years (unless states go ahead and implement their choice to start things early)

C'mon. if this guy worked for Bush 1 and 2 and wrote the reform policy was awful you would do everything imaginable to discredit him.


From the article

And people with low incomes would receive premium tax credits that would reduce the price that they pay for health insurance by as much as $2,500 to $7,500.

People with low incomes will receive tax credits that save them up to $7500? Just what is considered low income these days?
How can this possibly happen?

The increased taxes will start immediatly. The program won't start for a few years. How would you like to buy a car and have the dealer tell you that you can pick it up in 3 years, after you've been making the payments? Meanwhile other people have been driving it.

That's a big assumption.

It's explained in the bill.

And in 8 years after all the surplus built up from 4 years of revenue with no output is long gone, hello massive increases in taxes.

You are assuming there will be increased taxes. Not a bad assumption when looking at government programs, I agree.

But I'll wait to see if it holds true that the CBO says this will not require tax increases to pay for it, and if Obama holds true when he said he wouldn't sign it into law if taxes had to be increased to pay for it.

You are assuming there won't be?

Give me a break on the assumption. 1-20 would be long odds.

I may not go to MIT or be a math wiz but have a hard time figuring out how a lower income person could save $7500 per year in tax incentives. Just how much do lower income people PAY in taxes?

Not to mention that much of lower income America doesnt even pay taxes...

Let me in a little secret...
















politicians lie







especially when it is going to cost us more money

not only do they not pay, they get earned income credit at years' end. a 'refund' for taxes not paid. one hell of a system..

A massive liberal healthcare program rigged to soak the people who are already getting soaked with other tax increases and we are supposed to believe that it will pay for itself and will actually help reduce the deficit?

Why not guarantee cancer being cured too while they are at it?

I am assuming:

There are currently alot of cancers that are cureable.

Gee, ya think? :D We all know that, we just lived through Bush-Cheney.

Obama is even better than them. He lies and makes you believe it. Well he makes YOU believe it

Only if detected in time. The time someone spends on a waiting list, or waiting for beaurocratic permission for the tests could be a matter of life or death. These people don't give 2 sh!ts about anyones health. It's a power grab plain and simple. Congressmen (and women) are not lining up to sign on to the Public Option. They wouldn't even vote to make it mandatory for themselves to be on the P.O.

Yes, we'll see. You can say, "I told you so" ;)

No. All "cancers" are not alike. "In time" is in reference to those types of cancers that are highly (and quickly) malignant. Yes, those are nasty. There are plenty that are not, however.

There are many cancers today that are completely and rather easily curable. People still "hear the C word" and freak out. That's unfortunate, and needlessly scary for them. That's a lack of education about what oncology can do nowadays.

I stand corrected Dr. Riot.

I consider myself Low income and still pay more than 7500 in taxes. Though some of that of course is the ridiculous Social Security that I have to pay so freaking much of and will never see a freaking dime. No IM not BITTER or anything.

Yet another Govt. program going broke.

I am a Dr. Riot, but we vets certainly treat alot of cancers. We use the same chemotherapeutic and radiation therapies as humans do, and there is alot of crossover and shared information between human and animal cancers.

Even in countries with real socialized medicine (the US is not by any means close with any of the healthcare reform bills pending), stories about long waits for treatment revolve mainly along elective, non-life-threatening lines. Horror stories are rare.

Far rarer than here in the US, where you have to have a certain income level to get "the best" care, where having a serious cancer can readily bankrupt your family when the insurance company decides not to pay or stops paying, and where early diagnosis of many diseases is often missed because many people simply cannot afford to see a doctor on a regular, preventive or timely basis.

That is WHY there is such a massive push for healthcare reform in this country. Because we NEED it!

I agree we need reform. I don't want to see a massive Govt. takeover. I forgot you were really a doctor. I was being a smartas

:rolleyes: Ditto.

You're not a smartazz:) Glenny Beck - there's a smartazz :tro:

Obviously, you have never worked at a VA Hospital or had to deal with the Indian Health service.:zz: