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NTamm1215 11-24-2009 02:09 PM

Oak Tree renames the Lady's Secret the Zenyatta
 
OAK TREE HONORS ZENYATTA WITH GRADE I RACE, SUPERSTAR MARE INHERITS LADY’S SECRET MANTEL

ARCADIA, Calif. (Nov. 24, 2009)—In the wake of what many consider to be the most dramatic performance in Breeders’ Cup history, the Oak Tree Racing Association has announced that the undefeated superstar mare Zenyatta, a devastating last-to-first winner of the Grade I, $5 million Breeders’ Cup Classic at Oak Tree on Nov. 7, will be honored by having the name of the race she won in both 2008 and 2009, the Grade I Lady’s Secret, renamed The Zenyatta, effective next year.
“When the history books are written, we feel that what Zenyatta accomplished here on Nov. 7 will go down as one of the all-time great achievements in American racing” said Oak Tree Director and Executive Vice President Sherwood Chillingworth.

“Lady’s Secret was a great mare herself. She won the (Breeders’ Cup) Distaff here in 1986 and went on to be named Horse of the Year, but what Zenyatta did here against the best horses in the world is something none of us who witnessed it will ever forget.

“It is particularly appropriate, in that she won the Lady’s Secret two years in-a-row and like Lady’s Secret, we feel strongly that Zenyatta should be Horse of the Year. Her brilliance is undeniable and we are proud to rename this prestigious race in her honor.” (WOW)

Lady’s Secret was owned by the late Eugene Klein and his wife Joyce, and she was trained by D. Wayne Lukas. Zenyatta, who has been retired, is owned by Jerry and Ann Moss and was trained by John Shirreffs.

“At first, Jerry was reluctant to accept our offer of renaming the race, because he was a personal friend of Gene Klein,” said Chillingworth. “But after he and Ann thought about it for a couple of days, he called back and said they thought Zenyatta would be flattered by the comparison and to know that she was held in such high esteem.”

After winning the 2008 Lady’s Secret, Zenyatta went on to win the Grade I, $2 million Breeders’ Cup Ladies Classic, and was subsequently named 2008 Eclipse Champion Older Filly or Mare.

Zenyatta’s win in the Classic on Nov. 7 climaxed a perfect 14 for 14 career and, in the opinion of many, stamped her as not only one of the greatest fillies or mares of all-time, but as one of the greatest horses of all-time as well.

The Lady’s Secret, which was inaugurated in 1993, is for fillies and mares aged 3-and-up, at 1 1/16 miles.

Oak Tree’s 42nd fall race meeting begins in September, 2010.


http://www.oaktreeracing.com/press/p...lady%E2%80%99s

PatCummings 11-24-2009 02:19 PM

Perhaps they will now change their version of the Clement Hirsch to the Lady's Secret because there are two races on the circuit of the same name. Oh wait, I have one better...how about naming every race she won twice after her...the Vanity is now known as the Zenyatta, as is the Milady. Why not?

randallscott35 11-24-2009 02:20 PM

Anything to help her get HOY.

CSC 11-24-2009 02:21 PM

Incase no one has read or listened to Mike Smith's comments in the Bloodhorse interview/chat, it was very interesting and worth the listen. 2 things caught my eye.

1. Of note he mentioned Zenyatta may have been even better on dirt.

2. That everyone horse that lost to her in the Apple Blossom came out to win their next starts, all stakes wins(2 gr.1's) with the last place finisher winning an allowance race.

randallscott35 11-24-2009 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
Incase no one has read or listened to Mike Smith's comments in the Bloodhorse interview/chat, very interesting. 2 things caught my eye.

1. Of note he mentioned Zenyatta may have been even better on dirt.

2. That everyone horse that lost to her in the Apple Blossom came out to win their next starts, all stakes wins(2 gr.1's) with the last place finisher winning an allowance race.

LOL, so Mike Smith says she may have been better on dirt. She may have been better on Turf.

RolloTomasi 11-24-2009 02:22 PM

Ridiculous. They have 2 major stakes in CA named for Clement Hirsch, one of which Zenyatta won. Rename that race.

Of course they had no problem eliminating the John Henry, yet kept the Inglewood and American, at HP, so this is nothing shocking.

CSC 11-24-2009 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
LOL, so Mike Smith says she may have been better on dirt. She may have been better on Turf.

Why is this funny? let me guess you don't like her much do you?

kgar311 11-24-2009 02:25 PM

"One of the greatest horses of all time"?????????:zz: :wf
Pleeeeaaaaaaassssssssseeeeeeeeeee

NTamm1215 11-24-2009 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
Incase no one has read or listened to Mike Smith's comments in the Bloodhorse interview/chat, it was very interesting and worth the listen. 2 things caught my eye.

1. Of note he mentioned Zenyatta may have been even better on dirt.

2. That everyone horse that lost to her in the Apple Blossom came out to win their next starts, all stakes wins(2 gr.1's) with the last place finisher winning an allowance race.

Really? Who won Grade I's in their very next start after the Apple Blossom?

The answer: none of the above.

NT

CSC 11-24-2009 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Really? Who won Grade I's in their very next start after the Apple Blossom?

The answer: none of the above.

NT

I'm just quoting Mike, don't kill the messenger. I would guess Ginger Punch would be one.

NTamm1215 11-24-2009 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
I'm just quoting Mike, don't kill the messenger. I would guess Ginger Punch would be one.

No fact checking?

The answer is none of them won Grade Is in their next start and the last-place finisher, Kettleoneup, came back to run last again in the Louisville Handicap at CD.

This was the Apple Blossom field (in order of finish):

Zenyatta
Brownie Points
Ginger Punch
Lemon Drop Mom
Clever Strike
Kettleoneup

Zenyatta subsequently won the Milady (G2), Brownie Points the Ouija Board (G3-T), Ginger Punch the Louisville Handicap (G2), Lemon Drop Mom the Winter Melody at Delaware. Clever Strike won an allowance race on the turf at Arlington restricted to horses who had never won a race on turf.

NT

CSC 11-24-2009 02:34 PM

Well I don't have past p's at my finger tips but Ginger Punch won the Go For Wand, The Personal Ensign and the Ogden Phipps Handicap in 08 after losing to Zenyatta in the Apple Blossom. Not sure it was her next start but if not it was must have been damn close.

CSC 11-24-2009 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215
No fact checking?

The answer is none of them won Grade Is in their next start and the last-place finisher, Kettleoneup, came back to run last again in the Louisville Handicap at CD.

This was the Apple Blossom field (in order of finish):

Zenyatta
Brownie Points
Ginger Punch
Lemon Drop Mom
Clever Strike
Kettleoneup

Zenyatta subsequently won the Milady (G2), Brownie Points the Ouija Board (G3-T), Ginger Punch the Louisville Handicap (G2), Lemon Drop Mom the Winter Melody at Delaware. Clever Strike won an allowance race on the turf at Arlington restricted to horses who had never won a race on turf.

NT

Mike needs to brush up on his grade one's then, still not unimpressive that all horses won in their next starts.

kgar311 11-24-2009 02:36 PM

Why is it that day after day, week after week, we have to listen to these fools out west make their pitch for HOY honors for Zenyatta while RA's camp sits back, says nothing and lets her record do the talking? This is actually getting pretty sickening, the drooling over this horse. It took a couple weeks for me to go from actually liking and rooting for the horse to absolutely despising her because of the nonsense that comes out of the connections mouths and the track and fans alike.

NTamm1215 11-24-2009 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
Mike needs to brush up on his grade one's then, still not unimpressive that all horses won in their next starts.

Not quite

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215
The answer is none of them won Grade Is in their next start and the last-place finisher, Kettleoneup, came back to run last again in the Louisville Handicap at CD.


CSC 11-24-2009 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215
No fact checking?

NT

I'm at work and have restrictions to certain sites, I rely alot on my memory when I'm quoting stats here, that is why I cited it was said in the Mike Smith Interview, no deception was intended.

Travis Stone 11-24-2009 02:46 PM

If she was better on dirt, it's a shame we only were able to see her run on it.... once.

Merlinsky 11-24-2009 02:49 PM

I got miffed when the Sir Barton was renamed to the Barbaro, I guess I should've expected something like this. I don't oppose renaming races after a horse that moved a lot of people, it just feels like you were trying to honor the other horse, and now that's done. I guess they figured renaming a G2 wasn't going far enough given how amazing she is, still it's frustrating. I'll be honest, the name Lady's Secret has always reminded me of both the horse and deodorant.

CSC 11-24-2009 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
If she was better on dirt, it's a shame we only were able to see her run on it.... once.

That race was one of her easier races when you see it, and it was done running into a moderate pace. Being by Street Cry it isn't a stretch that she may have been better on dirt. It's too bad history will record it as her only race on dirt.

RolloTomasi 11-24-2009 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky
I got miffed when the Sir Barton was renamed to the Barbaro, I guess I should've expected something like this. I don't oppose renaming races after a horse that moved a lot of people, it just feels like you were trying to honor the other horse, and now that's done. I guess they figured renaming a G2 wasn't going far enough given how amazing she is, still it's frustrating. I'll be honest, the name Lady's Secret has always reminded me of both the horse and deodorant.

The annoying thing with that is that Delaware also named a race for Barbaro.

Not to mention he broke down at Pimlico, as opposed to achieving glory there.

alysheba4 11-24-2009 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kgar311
Why is it that day after day, week after week, we have to listen to these fools out west make their pitch for HOY honors for Zenyatta while RA's camp sits back, says nothing and lets her record do the talking? This is actually getting pretty sickening, the drooling over this horse. It took a couple weeks for me to go from actually liking and rooting for the horse to absolutely despising her because of the nonsense that comes out of the connections mouths and the track and fans alike.

....:zz: :zz:

DerbyCat 11-24-2009 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

“At first, Jerry was reluctant to accept our offer of renaming the race, because he was a personal friend of Gene Klein,” said Chillingworth. “But after he and Ann thought about it for a couple of days, he called back and said they thought Zenyatta would be flattered by the comparison and to know that she was held in such high esteem.”


Really? :zz:

I love when people apply human emotions and feelings to animals... I can just hear it now:

Shirreffs: "Hey Zenyatta, guess what? They named that race you won, you know, the "Lady's Secret, well, yep, they named it after you. Isn't that wonderful?"

Zenyatta: "Really? Oh My God! I am just so flattered! Lady's Secret was, like, such an amazing horse! I was such a big fan of hers! That is, like, so totally cool and amazing! The Zenyatta! That will be, like, so totally a great race! Can I run in it next year?! I'd so stay a virgin to win a race named after me! OH MY GOD!"


Yep, I'm pretty sure that's the way that conversation would go. :wf

kgar311 11-24-2009 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DerbyCat
Really? :zz:

I love when people apply human emotions and feelings to animals... I can just hear it now:

Shirreffs: "Hey Zenyatta, guess what? They named that race you won, you know, the "Lady's Secret, well, yep, they named it after you. Isn't that wonderful?"

Zenyatta: "Really? Oh My God! I am just so flattered! Lady's Secret was, like, such an amazing horse! I was such a big fan of hers! That is, like, so totally cool and amazing! The Zenyatta! That will be, like, so totally a great race! Can I run in it next year?! I'd so stay a virgin to win a race named after me! OH MY GOD!"


Yep, I'm pretty sure that's the way that conversation would go. :wf

Complete nonsense coming out of that camp and now we have to question their sanity

randallscott35 11-24-2009 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
Why is this funny? let me guess you don't like her much do you?

B/c I could care less what a jockey says about a horse who raced all of one time on dirt and virtually never trained on it...The answer is we will never know.

johnny pinwheel 11-24-2009 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
If she was better on dirt, it's a shame we only were able to see her run on it.... once.

agreed, thats the biggest problem with this horse. its woulda, coulda , shoulda. she won one race on dirt and scratched when it rained the other time. why if shes so good on dirt? how does anyone know shes better on dirt?????...answer...they don't. its a joke. you run the horse to prove it. as if mike smith saying so validates it. its just so stupid of an argument. talk is, well...just that. the other horse ran halfway across the country in races she had no business winning, your horse DID NOT. thats the difference. you can name 18 races the "zenyatta" it won't matter. you should of run when you could of but you didn't. even if i thought zenyatta was faster, which i do. you didn't do it, you stayed home..ALL YEAR.....oh well...tiz life. thats the message that should be sent to her connections.

Gate Dancer 11-24-2009 04:39 PM

“Lady’s Secret was a great mare herself. She won the (Breeders’ Cup) Distaff here in 1986 and went on to be named Horse of the Year, but what Zenyatta did here against the best horses in the world is something none of us who witnessed it will ever forget."


You're d**n right Lady's Secret was a great mare herself, here's a few fun facts about the daughter of Secretariat:

Race record 45-25-9-3 for earnings of $3,021,425

Won at 9 different racetracks (Bel,Hol,Dmr,SA,BM,Aqu,Mth,OP,Sar)

Won on 4 different track conditions (fst,gd,sly,my)

Won at distances from 5F to 10F

Seven times ran against males (only winning the 1986 Woodward)

In 1986 ran in the Whitney on Aug 2nd, the Iselin on Aug 16th and the Woodward on Aug 30th.

I'm sorry but you mean they couldn't give Zenyatta a race of her own but had to take it away from Lady's Secret. (pathetic)

randallscott35 11-24-2009 04:42 PM

I think they should name a race after California Flag.

DaTruth 11-24-2009 04:44 PM

The Iron Lady would have smoked Zenyatta.

2Hot4TV 11-24-2009 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kgar311
"One of the greatest horses of all time"?????????:zz: :wf
Pleeeeaaaaaaassssssssseeeeeeeeeee

You're still bummed about this.

Pleeeeaaaaaaassssssssseeeeeeeeeee

Danzig 11-24-2009 07:02 PM

hate to see lady's secret taken off a stakes race.

Bigsmc 11-24-2009 07:30 PM

Has a horse ever come back from retirement to win a race named after him/her?

Zenyatta by 5 in the Zenyatta....

PatCummings 11-24-2009 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Has a horse ever come back from retirement to win a race named after him/her?

Zenyatta by 5 in the Zenyatta....

I think that's part of the problem. She was on that track less than a month ago and now there is a race there named after her?

I'm not a monster fan of naming a race for Barbaro...but at least he was dead, thus making it a memorial. Zenyatta is barely a normally spaced layoff away from another race...and she already has a race named after her? It's awkward.

And as to the person who said they weren't happy that the Sir Barton was renamed...at least you can't say you were upset because of all the times you saw Sir Barton run, in person.

randallscott35 11-24-2009 09:11 PM

But see on the West Coast, Zenyatta is a religion and this move may sway spine free voters in her direction.

freddymo 11-24-2009 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Has a horse ever come back from retirement to win a race named after him/her?

Zenyatta by 5 in the Zenyatta....

Zenyatta wouldn't beat a 5 claimer by five nevermind a 50k claimer. That isnt her way ..

alysheba4 11-24-2009 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaTruth
The Iron Lady would have smoked Zenyatta.

stay clear of the california weed.......

eajinabi 11-24-2009 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kgar311
Why is it that day after day, week after week, we have to listen to these fools out west make their pitch for HOY honors for Zenyatta while RA's camp sits back, says nothing and lets her record do the talking? This is actually getting pretty sickening, the drooling over this horse. It took a couple weeks for me to go from actually liking and rooting for the horse to absolutely despising her because of the nonsense that comes out of the connections mouths and the track and fans alike.

Ya, cause everything has to be political. Wonder what you will say when they give RA a race of her own (and she will surley get one). Zenyatta connections never said that she should get HOY as they kept quiet about the subject when asked. Its not like the Moss's campaigned to get the race named after her anyways. Just wait when RA steps on to the track and wins another, then you will have people gushing over her.

What nonsense are you talking about anyways?? You blame people for liking Zenyatta?? RA and Zenyatta brought new and more enthusiastic fan base this year to the tracks. Instead of embracing the fact that Horse Racing got a boost by these two great horses, you meanwhile find it sickening. :zz:

chucklestheclown 11-25-2009 12:55 AM

I find this development truly distasteful, and I seem to be in the minority of players who don't have an aversion to synthetics or the West Coast. I guess after a few days they realized having a G.I with her name on it could not be bad for future business-friendships, respect and tradition aside.

letswastemoney 11-25-2009 01:53 AM

I find it disrespectful to Lady's Secret. At least wait 5 years or so.

Kasept 11-25-2009 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
I find it disrespectful to Lady's Secret. At least wait 5 years or so.

This is a central point in the wrong-headedness of renaming stakes. Whether it's naming this race for Zenyatta, or let's say the Kilroe Mile after Bobby Frankel, you effectively diminish the accomplishments of the previous moniker-holder and quash the intended honor of the entire process. It demonstrates complete and utter disregard for the history of the sport. As I said last night, by doing this, it says that when a horse comes along better than Zenyatta in 20 years, they'd paint over Zenyatta too... It's a self-defeating action that cheapens what should be your most sacrosanct events. It's pathetic.

jms62 11-25-2009 05:40 AM

For those Cappers not scoring 800 on their Verbal
sacrosanct = "most sacred or holy"


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