Va voters turn on Obama
 

Well Kev , deeds is out and McDonnell is in


republicans sweep in VA

is NJ next?

What a surprise...it was a shock they voted Dem in the first place

Hows good ole Jeb doing? Gearing up for that big run?

Obama easily in '12

corzine in trouble in NJ bob not a good night for the dems not matter how you want to paint the picture

AKA the head of the Florida wing of the Bush Crime Family!:D

funny wasn't it obama main guy from Ill that sent the dead fish to someone on the hill?

Virginia Dems screwed up with Deeds. They had the wrong man in race for Governor. Terry McAullife (spelling?) would have made it a much closer race and possibly a different result. Deeds was just out of his league.

Truth be told Marty, it wasn't a turn on Obama (wow, did I just say that?). This election was all about issues in the Commonwealth and nothing to do with Obama.

i agree with you on that, it wasn't about obama , but, people are looking for work and they want people held accountable

corzine losing in NJ is a total shock , a heavliy democratic state flips on the the incumbent , obama campaigned heavily for him and could not get him home

wannabe! Too many movies in between ballet classes and the Arby's job.

But grew up w/the Winnetka, IL crew.

OK that was a joke!

the growing up part

Nobody is surprised VA went Republican (northern VA was the turn) - they have always gone to the opposite party in the first election after Presidential. That was expected.

In New Jersey Governor, Corzine was certainly in deep trouble, so a GOP win there wasn't that big a surprise, either.

In exit polls in both states, the majority of voters said Obama had nothing to do with their vote.

The interesting election is the neck and neck NY House election between "I love Glenn Beck He's My Mentor" ultra-conservative, outside-financed, Sarah Palin endorsed Doug Hoffman, currently having 45% of the vote, and Democrat Bill Owens, currently with 49% of the vote. This is the race where the GOP candidate, the moderate Republican endorsed by Newt Gingrich, Scozzatava (sp?), resigned the race over the weekend at the last minute, and threw her support behind Owens.

If Hoffman loses, that shows the GOP that they can't continue to let the whackjobs control the party; and this is the race that is most predictive to 2010, IMO.

CNN projects Democrat Bill Owens wins in New York's 23rd congressional district, defeating Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman. That was a safe seat for a moderate Republican, but they tried to force their more Conservative views on people of this district. Gales, how many Congressman from your State of New York are Republicans? Down to 2 now?

maybe so but people saying that NJ race meant nothing is a total joke

If it wasn't important to the white house why did they send superman?

Superman showed up last week , but maybe he was too late?

NJ is an overwhelming democratic state and the dems failed there.

Of course it meant something. Governors' races are always important to both political parties, and I am sure both the DNC and the White House are disappointed with the results in New Jersey (the result in Virginia - on the other hand - was already expected). That doesn't have to mean that the electorate in these states "turned against" Obama. Although national issues can often have an effect on state and local elections, these things often turn on local issues and/or voter mobilization. I do not claim to know anything about New Jersey or Virginia politics specifically, but my guess would be that a large % of the Obama '08 voters probably stayed home in those states yesterday because they are not regular voters in non-presidential years.
Now, will those voters stay home again in 2012 or turn out again for Obama? It is far too early to predict.

you are correct , 1st time voters and african american turn outs were both down from last year (both of these voters were heavy dem in '08) , so no a lot of what happened in NJ is not a referendum on the white house , but it is a referendum on the Dem party in NJ ....the people who voted yesterday are the ones who always vote and they voted out the incumbent gov in NJ for his specific failure's in not creating jobs and reining in property taxes that continue to spiral upwards as spending stayed high and taxes kept going up. People in NJ had seen eneough out of Corzine, he was failing them.

Obama is a "one and done ", and off to building homes with Jimmy Carter.

Hopefully DT is around in 2012 because the economy will be back and it should be an interesting election. I'm banking on the Republicans running Romney and I think Obama can defeat him.

They barely fkn read there. Corzine is a rich Wall Street guy. Not exactly a sympathetic figure. I probably wouldn't even have voted (unless the fat guy was extreme.)

There is simply no way this country is gunna have a President that believes those LDS Fairy Tales. If he's so smart, you'd think he would of realized that by now. Ego gets in the way of common sense.

The people in Virginia and New Jersey have woken up and are sick of the lies that O"Dumbass has told. They decided to take it out on the Democratic party. In Virginia could this be a way of the military and military Retirees getting back at O'Dumbass, since Virginia has a lot of military and military Retirees living there. Thats what he deserves for not giving us Retirees a COLA raise in retirement pay. Food goes up, doesnt it yet the Retiree pay stays the same. Shows what little respect O'Dumbass has for the military and military Retirees. Why should he care, he didnt spend a day in the military. People like myself and the rest of the retirees and active military volunteer so there is no draft and ungrateful people like O'Dumbass dont serve a day in the military.

I think it might also be possible that both the '08 election and the results yesterday in New Jersey demonstrates simply that those who were in power for the last 3-5 years - perhaps regardless of party - are in trouble. At times anti-incumbent sentiment trumps pro-Democrat or pro-Republican sentiment. It is hard to say for sure, but it seems like the last year or so might be one of those times.

How can you say O'Dumbass easily in 12 when he campaigned for the Democratic candidate who lost? Could this be a sign of change? Maybe voters are trying to send a message to the Democratic party. We will have to tune in and wait down the road.

So let me get this straight:

2 Democratic defeats in STATE elections= huge failure for Obama
2 Democratic victories in FEDERAL elections= don't mean anything

Just making sure I am on the same page with wingnut logic.

Because the people who voted for Obama didn't turn out to vote Dem or for anyone else yesterday. And Corzine's problems in NJ, and NJ's problems in general were too great for even him to overcome.

I'd be more concerned with who your party is going to run for President 3 years from now and what platform, besides I hate Democrats, they are going to run on. If the economy turns around, and I think it will, the only really tangible issue you will have is the deficit. Now the right is going to roll out all their religious right social issues and trying to tell everyone how to run their lives and all of a sudden, the deficit doesn't seem so bad.

You and other right wingers will never vote Democrat anyway and I sure as hell will never vote Repubilcan, so it will be decided, as always, by the middle 10-15%.

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Originally Posted by GBBob Because the people who voted for Obama didn't turn out to vote Dem or for anyone else yesterday

bob there is no guarantee that these people will turn out in '12 , the bloom will be off the rose and he will be seen as just another politician at that point

Trust me...the memories of Dubya will still be fresh and you know that the Dems will be pounding that point 24/7. Before we had to campaign against Reagan and Bush 1..both people I didn't personally care for, but were still very popular figures. You guys pulled Carter, Dukakis and Mondale up every chance you got back then and it worked. You can be sure we will scare the hell out of the Independants by bringing up Rumsfeld, Cheney, Ashcroft etc every chance we can. Your only hope I think is to find a non-traditional Republucan candidate that attracts Independants but doesn't push away the Religious Right. And my money is that the Republicans won't find that guy, or girl.

I obviously hope you are right Bob, but I fear gales may be correct. Look at all of the things we had going for us this time, and all the energy Obama generated among voters who had never participated before, and yet the popular vote was still relatively close.
Will there be that same energy in three years for re-electing an incumbent?
Will the Republicans nominate a ticket as bad as a crusty old man and a mentally handicapped woman again?
I'm not so sure.

Either way, it is still a long ways away, and as a political junkie, 2010 still interests me far more than 2012 at this point.

I have great faith in their ability to understimate the intelligence of the American citizen and over estimate the appeal of being a right winger.

let me guess in 2005 , you had obama winning in '08 , you and the other 100 so called experts had him in the white house - there is time to find a viable candidate

things are worse today than when obama took office, the deficit is higher , unemployment is higher , the dollar is weaker ,oil is higher , gas px's are higher ,iraq and afgh. are more out of control than they were last year.
to an extent there is a grace peroid that the american people wil give , but , you can't just keep drumming up all "these inherited" problems you are dealing with ....the american people know that you inherited them , what do you think they are stupid and have to keep reminding them ? what the american people will judge obama on is if he improves the country and right now he is failing and his policies are failing .....where is the job creation , where is the growth in gdp (less gov't spending) , why are oil prices going up again ??? these are not bush's problems now they are obama's and i don't see him fixing them

Oil and Gas I'm not sure you have a leg to stand on based on where they were and where they are now. Again..we'll see in 3 1/2 years, not 10 months.

Did you really think everyone you listed would change in 10 months? I'm more upset at what hasn't changed in 10 months..

cannonshell in 2012'

I dont always vote Republican. The only way I see O'Dumbass having a chance to win is how the economy is going in 2012. you are very correct in saying that the state of the economy will be a big issue comes 2012. I also dont have no religious nut case tell me how to run my life. Never have and never will. A reason why I mostly vote Republican is that they treat military and retirees much better than the Democrats do. Rumor has it that a retiree isnt going to get a COLA raise like in the past, yet food prices are higher, gas prices fluctuate. Historically when a Republican is in office they treat military much better than when a Democrat. The Denocratic party treats the military and retirees like second class citizens. Do you think its right that savage killers in Gitmo are going to get the oppurtunity to get the swine flu shot before someone else.

I think the Republican Party is too Liberal for him

The scary thing to me is how willing the ultra-conservatives are to eat their mate. The Democrat Owens won in NY. That's a Democratic congressional seat. Yet the "Conservative Party" - whose candidate lost to the Democrat - is crowing this race was a success, a "win" because the moderate Republican quit the race?

Pretty much :D Michael Steele hip-hip-hooraying is a bit ... too happy a response, IMO.

Look, in 2010, it is the common and usual thing for the party not just elected President at the last election to regain about 40 seats at the midterms. That's a good thing - keeps those "Executive" and "Legislative" branches balanced. The key will be to see if 2010 yields an over or under average for the GOP.

The Great Recession did not turn into the Second Great Depression, the economy is turning around, troops are being brought home from Iraq and that is being winded down, troops were immediately boostered in Afghanistan, major kills against Taliban, and you received a tax cut this year.

I think the "Conservative Party" is going to split from the GOP, leaving two ineffective parties, unfortunately.

Yes, 2010 will be interesting for politicos :tro:

where ? if you take out cash for clunkers gdp growth was negative , just where is it that the economy is turning around?

tax cuts??? please expound on that one , everyone's taxes are going up after 2010 when the bush tax cuts expire

2 wars are still being fought with only the finish line showing for one of them

look at where oil was in march , gas too , explain to me how that is bush's fault again?

if it's ok to blame any president about high oil px's as was done from 04 - 08, why can't it be asked what the heck is the guy in wash dc doing about it now?

I've said in other threads that I really don't think President's should or can be held accountable for oil/gas costs. The only reason I singled out Bush is that he made it a campaign issue by stating that his close allegiances with Texas oil companies could only benefit the country. He also used it as some half assed justification for the war by stating that we will be paid back handsomly in oil for our costs incurred. Has that happened?

It's funny how people will not just go down the street, handing over half of their paycheck to those who don't work, but will vote for government representatives who will do exactly that to them via the taxcode and social spending.