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Scav 11-03-2009 04:00 PM

Favorites get murdered in post draw
 
Lookin at Lucky(Far outside), Goldikova(Far outside), Zensational(1 hole) and Mastercraftman(1 hole)

OUCH...

RockHardTen1985 11-03-2009 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Lookin at Lucky(Far outside), Goldikova(Far outside), Zensational(1 hole) and Mastercraftman(1 hole)

OUCH...


Zensational will be fine... He has UNLIMITED SPEED.

randallscott35 11-03-2009 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
Zensational will be fine... He has UNLIMITED SPEED.

God's gift to the mush.

Bigsmc 11-03-2009 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
God's gift to the mush.

As a service to the rest of the wagering world, I'm hoping he puts all of his picks on one post.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-03-2009 04:21 PM

The 1 hole has 8 wins going 6fs at Santa Anita this meet. It's the most winningest post at the distance. It also has 10 second place finishes...more than any other post. That's 18-for-50 in the exacta this meet.

I realize he's speed...and your options are limited tactically from there ... but when you draw the most winningest and most placingist post of the meet at the distance ... you're probably not getting murdered by the draw.

As long as the track is fair ... I doubt posts will matter at all in any of the synth races.

Scav 11-03-2009 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
The 1 hole has 8 wins going 6fs at Santa Anita this meet. It's the most winningest post at the distance. It also has 10 second place finishes...more than any other post. That's 18-for-50 in the exacta this meet.

I realize he's speed...and your options are limited tactically from there ... but when you draw the most winningest and most placingist post of the meet at the distance ... you're probably not getting murdered by the draw.

As long as the track is fair ... I doubt posts will matter at all in any of the synth races.

Pace wise though, he is getting no breather and will be on go from start to finish, I don't think he can win that way, I thought he would have a chance if Fatal Bullet was inside and he could put the pressure on him, but they are both cooked now

jms62 11-03-2009 04:27 PM

Now the 1 hole in the turf sprint is whole different issue. 1 Winner... Outside in Turf routes has also been tough so Goldikova got the worst of it.

randallscott35 11-03-2009 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Pace wise though, he is getting no breather and will be on go from start to finish, I don't think he can win that way, I thought he would have a chance if Fatal Bullet was inside and he could put the pressure on him, but they are both cooked now

Precisely. I like FB a lot but this is a tough spot for him b/c of Zensational. I really don't know who I like as much as I don't like Zen and FB probably gets cooked.

RockHardTen1985 11-03-2009 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
The 1 hole has 8 wins going 6fs at Santa Anita this meet. It's the most winningest post at the distance. It also has 10 second place finishes...more than any other post. That's 18-for-50 in the exacta this meet.

I realize he's speed...and your options are limited tactically from there ... but when you draw the most winningest and most placingist post of the meet at the distance ... you're probably not getting murdered by the draw.

As long as the track is fair ... I doubt posts will matter at all in any of the synth races.


I Looked all that up first, but I had to stick to my style.

Scav 11-03-2009 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62
Now the 1 hole in the turf sprint is whole different issue. 1 Winner... Outside in Turf routes has also been tough so Goldikova got the worst of it.

That is because the outside posts are good down the hill, they are actually somewhat considered the inside because of that first bend. Outside horse with speed in any other race then this one down the hill is golden. But this race is like non other, insane fractions.....

GPK 11-03-2009 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
That is because the outside posts are good down the hill, they are actually somewhat considered the inside because of that first bend. Outside horse with speed in any other race then this one down the hill is golden. But this race is like non other, insane fractions.....

Insane fractions? Thanks Capt. Obvious

The Indomitable DrugS 11-03-2009 04:40 PM

Does anyone have a link to the fields?

Scav 11-03-2009 04:41 PM

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Does anyone have a link to the fields?

Not yet, I was going to wait for Byk to do them in his formatty fun way but if he isn't doing it till later I can type it all out if he wants me to

brockguy 11-03-2009 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Lookin at Lucky(Far outside), Goldikova(Far outside), Zensational(1 hole) and Mastercraftman(1 hole)

OUCH...

no worries for Goldi.. I told you not to use Mastercraftsman.. I doubt he even gets placed in the mile!!

Antitrust32 11-03-2009 04:55 PM

so Zenyatta is actually going to the Classic. WOW.

Fulla Sheets 11-03-2009 05:02 PM

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so Zenyatta is actually going to the Classic. WOW.

I have a dumb question.
If Zenyatta is beat by Summer Bird in the Classic, does this mean Rachel Alexandra will be the HOY? She has already beaten Summer Bird by 8 lengths in the Haskel, even though it was on a completely different surface. Or has the Rachel-Zenyatta thing been over for a while now?

TitanSooner 11-03-2009 05:03 PM

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I have a dumb question.
If Zenyatta is beat by Summer Bird in the Classic, does this mean Rachel Alexandra will be the HOY? She has already beaten Summer Bird by 8 lengths in the Haskel, even though it was on a completely different surface. Or has the Rachel-Zenyatta thing been over for a while now?

most votes were cast in early September.. this one's over.

randallscott35 11-03-2009 05:12 PM

Karelian 6-1??? What planet is Jon White on.

RockHardTen1985 11-03-2009 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Karelian 6-1??? What planet is Jon White on.


Where are you seeing this?

randallscott35 11-03-2009 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
Where are you seeing this?

bloodhorse

smuthg 11-03-2009 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Lookin at Lucky(Far outside), Goldikova(Far outside), Zensational(1 hole) and Mastercraftman(1 hole)

OUCH...

now Careless Jewel on the rail... WOW

RockHardTen1985 11-03-2009 05:21 PM

The dirt mile morning line is AS BAD AS IT GETS.

Scav 11-03-2009 05:24 PM

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The dirt mile morning line is AS BAD AS IT GETS.

Are you going to do an official RHT1985 picks thread.

I would really appreciate it if possible, and by tomorrow night also

RockHardTen1985 11-03-2009 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Are you going to do an official RHT1985 picks thread.

I would really appreciate it if possible, and by tomorrow night also

Im waiting for fridays card to be drawn... I will have all my pick 3's up within an hour after its posted on formulator.

randallscott35 11-03-2009 05:28 PM

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Im waiting for fridays card to be drawn... I will have all my pick 3's up within an hour after its posted on formulator.

Waiting with baited breath.

Scav 11-03-2009 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
Im waiting for fridays card to be drawn... I will have all my pick 3's up within an hour after its posted on formulator.

Outstanding...

RockHardTen1985 11-03-2009 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Outstanding...

The 8 has a giant shot in the Juvy...

randallscott35 11-03-2009 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
The 8 has a giant shot in the Juvy...

You remind me of David Johanssen in Let It Ride....giving blood by the 6th race.

letswastemoney 11-03-2009 05:34 PM

is there a link to the full ML for all the races?

RockHardTen1985 11-03-2009 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
You remind me of David Johanssen in Let It Ride....giving blood by the 6th race.

You have to admit with the chalk drawing so poorly you want to look for alternatives... I think the 8 is the alternative, you should get 6 or 7-1 on him.

Scav 11-03-2009 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
You have to admit with the chalk drawing so poorly you want to look for alternatives... I think the 8 is the alternative, you should get 6 or 7-1 on him.

On BC Day, that isn't an alternative, that is an alternative favorite...

randallscott35 11-03-2009 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
You have to admit with the chalk drawing so poorly you want to look for alternatives... I think the 8 is the alternative, you should get 6 or 7-1 on him.

Rock, I don't even know who the 8 is in that race. I'm just thinkng of who you remind me of.

RockHardTen1985 11-03-2009 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
On BC Day, that isn't an alternative, that is an alternative favorite...


Well he could be higher... Im just guessing he will get bet, first out on turf he ran well and that 90 beyer last time was decent.

Scav 11-03-2009 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
Well he could be higher... Im just guessing he will get bet, first out on turf he ran well and that 90 beyer last time was decent.

It was a slop race, slop numbers mean nothing

RockHardTen1985 11-03-2009 05:42 PM

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It was a slop race, slop numbers mean nothing

Well I hope everyone thinks that and he goes off at 15-1.... I thought his run 1st out was sneaky good.

Scav 11-03-2009 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
Well I hope everyone thinks that and he goes off at 15-1.... I thought his run 1st out was sneaky good.

Your sneaky good

RockHardTen1985 11-03-2009 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Your sneaky good


I really am, and Im glad you are starting to realize it.

RockHardTen1985 11-03-2009 05:44 PM

Visit is making me think INTERCONTINENTAL

randallscott35 11-03-2009 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
Visit is making me think INTERCONTINENTAL

I just threw up in my mouth.

jwkniska 11-03-2009 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
is there a link to the full ML for all the races?

http://breederscup.com/content.aspx?id=43051


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