The Green Monkey
 

covered 40 mares this year.

Just thought you should know.

With effin, just like his racing career, he finished every time.

Where is he at?

hartley de renzo in fla i believe.

A list should be started: leading sires via awful horses on the track.

Saint Ballado sucked .. outstanding as a sire.

I believe Lukas had Dynaformer getting beat 20 lengths every time he ran him on the dirt prior to his merciful retirement.

West Acre never even raced - he's been a very productive Florida sire.

Complaince never won a race ... he sired Fourstar's Allstar, Fourstardave, Pride of Summer, and Zippy Chippy.

I'd say St. Ballado didn't quite live up to his potential, but he didn't suck. Short career as well.

Yukon is one that never raced. He was a Northern Dancer half brother to Mr. Prospector that sold for 1.4 mil as a yearling. Ended up standing in California in the 80s and sired some pretty nice horses. His best was Candy's Gold.

How about Red Ransom, not that he was a bad horse but only 3 career races with the topper being an allowance race win, turned out to be a gem of a sire.

it goes back a while, but English-bred Alibhai was unraced--he sired Determine, Bardstown, On Trust, Flower Bowl, and Your Host--who in turn sired Kelso.

He was no awful horse. He won his debut at Saratoga in 56 and change for 5furlongs.

He just got hurt before he ever faced stakes horses.

No different than the all-time great stallion Danzig. Danzig only ran 3 times and never won anything more than an alw race.

Danzig was a freak, probably my all time favorite sire.

Why only 40 Tabor could have thrown him a few just to hopefully save face..

How about Outflanker? Currently third leading sire in Maryland (after "promotion" from Florida), he never broke his maiden in 10 starts in Europe.

St. Ballado wasn't a BC Classic type horse but I saw him run a few times and he was Grade 2-3 quality. THere's a number of sires who's a$$ he would've kicked on the racetrack.

Danehill was a great sire that was just so so as a racehorse.

Trained by Jeremy Tree, Danehill faced the starter nine times, winning four races and only twice finishing unplaced. As a three-year-old, following a valiant third place in the 2,000 Guineas behind Nashwan and a fourth place in the Irish equivalent, Danehill was switched to shorter distances and developed into a champion sprinter, winning the Cork and Orrery Stakes at Royal Ascot and the Haydock Sprint Cup

Sort of like Ted Williams son having a kid, even though he sucked, was a mooch and then froze his dad's head.

Malibu Moon, by far the least accomplished racehorse on the 2009 General Sires list at #16.

what was the stud fee?

Seeking the Gold, won the Super Derby and Peter Pan...but given his record as a stallion you have to wonder what he did on the track compared to the horses he did produce did not match.

Seeking the Gold was nosed by Forty Niner in both the Haskell and the Travers. In fact the photos of the two races are nearly identical.

And Alydar was beaten by Affirmed also, but was generally a more successful sire.

Seeking the Gold was a dam good horse with a wonderful pedigree.

Slewacide is one that comes to mind who didn't do squat on the track but was a pretty decent stallion. He sired Clevor Trevor, Slew of Damascus, and some other decent runners and was also the broodmare sire of Funny Cide.

Why is STG even mentioned in this thread?
In the money 14 of 15 races. Earned 2.3 million in purses 20 years ago. Equivalent to about 4M today( excluding BC and Dubai purses).

Owner: Ogden Phipps
Breeder: Ogden Phipps
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 15 Starts: 8 - 6 - 0, $2,307,000

At 3: Won Super Derby G1, Dwyer Stakes G1, Peter Pan Stakes G2, Swale Stakes.

Sire of:

4 Breeders' Cup Champions
2 Eclipse Champions
Over $85 million Progeny Earnings
Pensioned from stallion duty at Claiborne Farms in KY. Stood for $125K in 2005-2008, his last three years at stud.CHAMPION

Generally,,,,,,,,,. Alydar was far better at stud than Affirmed.

Interestingly enough none of the top colts sired by Alydar turned out to be good stallions. Alysheba, Criminal Type, Easy Goer, Turkoman, Strike the Gold...

Did any of his top fillies turn out to be good stallions?

What's odd is that his best son (in terms of being a good stallion) stands in California. Benchmark.

He had another son in California that was a decent sire too. Kleven.

Easy Goer had what 2 or 3 crops like 120 foals from which 17 made over 100k 65% started and won and had My Flag, Wills Way, Furlough etc.. hardily a bust

I'm sure that someone has a theory to why this happens but it is one of the reasons why breeding is so difficult.

The odds were that Easy Goer was going to be a bust. The vast majority were too damn sore to train on. Considering the book of mares he got he didnt produce much. When I was with Jerkens we had one of his better fillies, Smooth Charmer. She was a three times in ice a day cripple but had a lot of heart.

Bc Juvy, Ballerina, Travers and Jim dandy in 120 foals of which the Japanese took about 20.. Smooth Charmer is Phipps stock or was anyway.. Can't speak to the soundness of them but there was a very high percentage of starters and winners

Sc was Stonerside.

People have been tricked into thinking Birdstone is a good sire.

Her dam is a half to Rythm and Not for Love. The dam is a Phipps cull.. Smooth Charmer is 100% phipps other then the fact that Stonerside bought her..

Perhaps those two sons of Alydar fared well in California because of the preponderance of speed in the breeding out there.

Just a guess.

And...?

I don't know what kind of horse(s) he will produce, but I would breed to him for the $5k.

Why?

She is the direct offspring of the great Dance Number and Oscillate was bred to Easy Goer.. She is 3/4's Phipps with a splash of Slew..

I said Smooth Charmer was "Phipps Stock" you suggested Stonerside which puchased her.. They had no stock at that time they had what they bought

So she may well have been good regardless of who her sire was