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Alan07 10-18-2009 05:16 PM

BC Ponders Future Sites
 
Breeders' Cup brass toured the premises with an eye to returning to Canada – a notion if not unthinkable in the wake of Woodbine's only previous turn, in 1996, then certainly a long shot.

Not anymore, Breeders' Cup president and CEO Greg Avioli's honeyed words flowing like a well-timed Garrett Gomez rally. Avioli praised just about everything about Woodbine. This Winter, he will present the Breeders' Cup board with a plan for approval that would designate a group of 10 North American tracks, including Woodbine, as hosts beginning in 2011, along with the framework of a rotation.

"I would definitely believe you'll see that day, and probably sooner than you might think," said Avioli of a Breeders' Cup return. "The biggest concern you have at Woodbine is going to be the temperature. We're locked into the early November schedule, it fits with our plan very well.

"In terms of the overall quality of the facility, though, there's no reason you wouldn't see multiple Breeders' Cups here in the future."

http://www.thestar.com/sports/horser...-cup-challenge

Indian Charlie 10-18-2009 05:30 PM

What's the o/u for how long it takes till Ravioli brain tries to get Woodbine to be the permanent host?

Cannon Shell 10-18-2009 05:59 PM

Hey at least they arent talking about having it in Hong Kong or Europe anymore

ddthetide 10-18-2009 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
What's the o/u for how long it takes till Ravioli brain tries to get Woodbine to be the permanent host?

IMO, Churchill should be permanent host. the temp is usually decent, central location and CD can handle the crowd.

Indian Charlie 10-18-2009 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ddthetide
IMO, Churchill should be permanent host. the temp is usually decent, central location and CD can handle the crowd.

At this point, if it would keep the BC away from synthetics, I'd agree with you.

At least until the Socal tracks get their heads out of their asses.

Or Ravioli gets ousted.

RockHardTen1985 10-18-2009 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ddthetide
IMO, Churchill should be permanent host. the temp is usually decent, central location and CD can handle the crowd.

I would say a Churchill-Belmont rotation would be the way to go.

Indian Charlie 10-18-2009 06:17 PM

A great Q&A with Greg Ravioli!!

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/article/116040

As Coach Pants would say, "What a fuggtard"

ddthetide 10-18-2009 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
At this point, if it would keep the BC away from synthetics, I'd agree with you.

At least until the Socal tracks get their heads out of their asses.

Or Ravioli gets ousted.

if they want to do synthetics, why not keeneland? it would close thier meet. some of the runners are already there from opening weekend of the meet. same other reason as CD.

Cannon Shell 10-18-2009 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide
if they want to do synthetics, why not keeneland? it would close thier meet. some of the runners are already there from opening weekend of the meet. same other reason as CD.

Keeneland is too small

Swale84 10-18-2009 06:47 PM

If not for the rain, i thought Monmouth was an OK site. Lone Star did a decent job when it was there.

Belmont, obviously has lots of room and albeit the weather can be cold in November its not unbearable. Churchill fits

Agree that Santa Anita should be out, but it is a nice facility there

Not a whole lot of options when you think about it

wapete 10-18-2009 07:36 PM

Churchill, Belmont, Arlington, Gulfstream and Santa Anita

Locked Rotation so each course hosts every 5 years.

Bigsmc 10-18-2009 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by wapete
Churchill, Belmont, Arlington, Gulfstream and Santa Anita

Locked Rotation so each course hosts every 5 years.

I don't know if Gulfstream has enough room for scads of temporary seating they would have to bring in.

booner 10-18-2009 08:04 PM

I would like to see Monmouth get another chance. I really liked it there (other than the monsoon).

Keeneland is looking into additional seating for hosting a BC in the future. But I don't see it in the near future.

Churchill is ideal, and of course I am biased since I live in Kentucky. Being 2 1/2 hours from the BC each year would be really, really nice. But I do like to get out and see other tracks.

zippyneedsawin 10-18-2009 08:13 PM

at least having a BC at Woodbine will help determine the Sovereign Awards..

Cannon Shell 10-18-2009 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wapete
Churchill, Belmont, Arlington, Gulfstream and Santa Anita

Locked Rotation so each course hosts every 5 years.

Gulfstream is no longer a racetrack

Cannon Shell 10-18-2009 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin
at least having a BC at Woodbine will help determine the Sovereign Awards..

:tro:

Coach Pants 10-18-2009 08:59 PM

Somebody needs to punch this guy in the face at Santa Anita. There has to be a DTer on the west coast who will take the charge.

Clip-Clop 10-19-2009 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booner
I would like to see Monmouth get another chance. I really liked it there (other than the monsoon).

Keeneland is looking into additional seating for hosting a BC in the future. But I don't see it in the near future.

Churchill is ideal, and of course I am biased since I live in Kentucky. Being 2 1/2 hours from the BC each year would be really, really nice. But I do like to get out and see other tracks.

Agree with Monmouth. Still the most formful BC day despite the weather.

chucklestheclown 10-19-2009 01:51 PM

I vote for Hialeah.

Merlinsky 10-19-2009 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown
I vote for Hialeah.

Drat, beat me to it.:)

Now's the perfect time to think about it. They're working on the site and are in a position to make improvements that would benefit them later should they pursue the BC. At the very least they could make sure not to do something that would make it difficult to adjust. Sure CD has it next, but there's no reason Hialeah couldn't put things in motion to get it sooner rather than later.

Honorable mention: Monmouth

randallscott35 10-19-2009 02:07 PM

Well it would be nice if Churchill does a better job with it than the inside paved highway they had last time....I think Belmont is a terrific venue for it as was SA before poly.

Coach Pants 10-19-2009 02:11 PM

I vote for Ellis Park. It would be a good bargaining chip for Geary to get slot machines. He can threaten to shut down the track and not run the BC the day before if an emergency session isn't called that evening to put slots in all Kentucky race tracks.

Then the BC will call his bluff and he can look like a pompous child one more time.

Cannon Shell 10-19-2009 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merlinsky
Drat, beat me to it.:)

Now's the perfect time to think about it. They're working on the site and are in a position to make improvements that would benefit them later should they pursue the BC. At the very least they could make sure not to do something that would make it difficult to adjust. Sure CD has it next, but there's no reason Hialeah couldn't put things in motion to get it sooner rather than later.

Honorable mention: Monmouth

John Brunetti

MISTERGEE 10-19-2009 08:56 PM

sad that hialeah is the only possible location of the florida tracks, and thats sad for florida which is a natural location for a regular breeders cup stop

booner 10-19-2009 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants
I vote for Ellis Park. It would be a good bargaining chip for Geary to get slot machines. He can threaten to shut down the track and not run the BC the day before if an emergency session isn't called that evening to put slots in all Kentucky race tracks.

Then the BC will call his bluff and he can look like a pompous child one more time.

Hehehehe....good one....

Round Pen 10-19-2009 09:55 PM

Heck lets give Florida Another shot, but Lets go to Tampa, I bet we could Squeeze 10,000 Plus in there. An as an added bonus everyone knows they Have one of the best dirt tracks around. I love going to Tampa on the weekends great place to go to the Races.

MISTERGEE 10-20-2009 10:19 AM

if they could get about 40,000 in there they would be a candidate

Travis Stone 10-20-2009 10:25 AM

I have always liked the Breeders' Cup rotating amongst a lot of racetracks... for one, the game does not only happen in NY, KY or Cal. Secondly, there are lots of fair weather racetracks who could handle the BC. Finally, I think a big event grows best when introduced to a variety of markets.

People are sour about venues such as Monmouth all of the sudden because it rained... as if it would never rain somewhere else? I thought Monmouth was an awesome venue, and would love to go there again.

King Glorious 10-20-2009 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Stone
I have always liked the Breeders' Cup rotating amongst a lot of racetracks... for one, the game does not only happen in NY, KY or Cal. Secondly, there are lots of fair weather racetracks who could handle the BC. Finally, I think a big event grows best when introduced to a variety of markets.

People are sour about venues such as Monmouth all of the sudden because it rained... as if it would never rain somewhere else? I thought Monmouth was an awesome venue, and would love to go there again.

I agree. I actually like Lone Star. I didn't go to the BC there but I've been to the track.

GoIrish 10-20-2009 11:49 AM

I'm glad Monmouth is getting some love from the DT crowd. I grew up there, so I am biased, but it is a beautiful facility. They really did an awesome job with the BC but the rain was a real tragedy. I hope we get another shot someday. I was so fired up to be 5 minutes from the BC and then the rain came...

NTamm1215 10-20-2009 12:07 PM

Monmouth is a great facility. I was at the 2007 BC and enjoyed it thoroughly (luckily my seats were in the grandstand) and was also at Lone Star in 2004. The "2nd tier" tracks need a look especially considering their seating capacity will not really matter once Avioli ruins the BC brand.

NT

Linny 10-20-2009 12:45 PM

Monmouth got knocked by alot of pundits because the weather stunk. The weather can stink anyplace and anytime. They did a good job with what they had.
I like the idea of moving the Cup and letting people that support the tracks/circuits around the country see it at home.

randallscott35 10-20-2009 12:51 PM

The Monmouth turf course is very impressive.

Linny 10-20-2009 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
The Monmouth turf course is very impressive.

Last I saw of it Kip DeVille was building an ark.

johnny pinwheel 10-21-2009 06:43 AM

how about the dumpster? it causes more contraversy and problems than its worth. the guy is an idiot and his board has ruined it anyway. they are going BROKE to boot. once its gone, horses will actually have to race each other more than once a year. now many times the good ones "run away" from each other for the easiest win at short odds, until the breeders cup. then half don't show because of the polycrap! yeah, thats doing racing all kinds of favors, less competition, lower payouts and a bunch of bettors that don't give a sh^t. way to go breeders cup!

brockguy 10-21-2009 03:41 PM

It should be like the Superbowl! Warm weather cities or domes!!! Louisville is too cold..

Merlinsky 10-21-2009 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
John Brunetti

Ah yes, but it almost seemed that when Minor pressed things, a fire got lit under Brunetti's butt almost in spite of himself. I hate to wish anything other than the best on Hialeah and unfortunately that currently means possibly having good things happen to Brunetti. Ick. Perhaps other factors in Florida will make up for his involvement. Maybe they already are.

philcski 10-21-2009 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy
It should be like the Superbowl! Warm weather cities or domes!!! Louisville is too cold..

stoppppppp irishman... just drink more next time its cold!

see you in a couple weeks

joeydb 10-23-2009 08:55 AM

Atlantic City Race Course :rolleyes:


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