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NTamm1215 10-11-2009 08:17 PM

Gayego
 
No love for this guy? I thought he ran well today and obviously has a big shot in the BC Sprint.

NT

RockHardTen1985 10-11-2009 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
No love for this guy? I thought he ran well today and obviously has a big shot in the BC Sprint.

NT

He ran well today, but has really no shot in the sprint.

NTamm1215 10-11-2009 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
He ran well today, but has really no shot in the sprint.

I figured you for a Zensational groupie.

NT

3kings 10-11-2009 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
He ran well today, but has really no shot in the sprint.

Why? That was a nice performance and he was hardly urged.

RockHardTen1985 10-11-2009 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
I figured you for a Zensational groupie.

NT

Really not a groupie... I just think over that track there is no chance anyone beats him. He is special over that surface.

NTamm1215 10-11-2009 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
Really not a groupie... I just think over that track there is no chance anyone beats him. He is special over that surface.

You're right, he's got Talkin to Mom Roo mastered.

I'm very interested to see what condition he's in at the 1/4 pole if Fatal Bullet is on his ass from the start.

NT

Scav 10-11-2009 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
You're right, he's got Talkin to Mom Roo mastered.

I'm very interested to see what condition he's in at the 1/4 pole if Fatal Bullet is on his ass from the start.

NT

There's potential there I agree, but from what I have read the field isn't going to be that large so maybe it will be a scenario where you either single Zensational or use the closers.

At the very least, he potentially will be going against the grain as closers, especially sprinting, have done real well at Oak Tree so far

Cannon Shell 10-11-2009 08:40 PM

Can he outrun the freak from Woodbine to the lead? I dont mean Fatal Bullet.

Cannon Shell 10-11-2009 08:56 PM

Forget it. Freak is banned

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/rac...promazine.aspx

Honu 10-11-2009 08:58 PM

Talk is the Sprint is going to come up fuller than the main track Mile.

King Glorious 10-11-2009 09:20 PM

It's funny how all of the Godolphin bashing has kinda slowed down since the summer began.

Linny 10-11-2009 11:06 PM

I watched this race with Terry Spargo who call races and handicaps Dubai. He's a very good caller, adept at spotting horses that are moving well and even he thought Gayego was beaten turning for home. By mid-stretch he was changing his tune. This was a nice run and if Fatal Bullet takes it to Zensational early, the boys in blue might run over them all.

tector 10-12-2009 12:56 AM

I have no idea what kind of figure today's race will get, but I thought his performance today was very impressive. Let's see how the field sorts out and how the track may be playing, but I have no intention of eating the chalk in this BC race. I'll pass it first.

The Indomitable DrugS 10-12-2009 01:38 AM

Kodiak Kowboy will be an interesting call ...

His syn track form is terrible ... but he was trained by Steve Asmussen for those bad races. That makes him a very tough read for me... you almost have to draw a line through them and pretend they didn't happen.

Same thing with Pyro.

SCUDSBROTHER 10-12-2009 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
No love for this guy? I thought he ran well today and obviously has a big shot in the BC Sprint.

NT


Has always had an awesome stride. Pretty mover. If Gomez is doing well on BC Day, then he's a play in the sprint.

parsixfarms 10-12-2009 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Kodiak Kowboy will be an interesting call ...

His syn track form is terrible ... but he was trained by Steve Asmussen for those bad races. That makes him a very tough read for me... you almost have to draw a line through them and pretend they didn't happen.

Same thing with Pyro.

He's now being trained by Asmussen again.

parsixfarms 10-12-2009 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I don't ever recall a penalty where the horse was banned from racing. A new rule in Canada?

Kasept 10-12-2009 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
I don't ever recall a penalty where the horse was banned from racing. A new rule in Canada?

That rule was part of the tough new Canadian policies for flat and harness instituted last year.

CSC 10-12-2009 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Linny
I watched this race with Terry Spargo who call races and handicaps Dubai. He's a very good caller, adept at spotting horses that are moving well and even he thought Gayego was beaten turning for home. By mid-stretch he was changing his tune. This was a nice run and if Fatal Bullet takes it to Zensational early, the boys in blue might run over them all.

If anyone wants to go with Fatal Bullet early on they will pay the price, that is if Fatal Bullet goes to the lead at all. I don't necessarily think he needs it but rather it is his natural speed that puts him there, Dasilva reportedly didn't even use the stick(I'll have to watch the replay again) on Friday and though his odds aren't going to be near last year's odds, he's better than Gayago or Zensational IMO.

Kasept 10-12-2009 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
It's funny how all of the Godolphin bashing has kinda slowed down since the summer began.

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse...641042/latest/

parsixfarms 10-12-2009 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC
If anyone wants to go with Fatal Bullet early on they will pay the price, that is if Fatal Bullet goes to the lead at all. I don't necessarily think he needs it but rather it is his natural speed that puts him there, Dasilva reportedly didn't even use the stick(I'll have to watch the replay again) on Friday and though his odds aren't going to be near last year's odds, he's better than Gayago or Zensational IMO.

I thought E Z Dreamer ran a real big race in the Phoenix on Friday, especially in light of the fact that he was stepping up in class and had limited experience on synthetics. E Z Dreamer was pinned down inside, and Fatal Bullet was doing a pretty good job laying on him through the stretch. IMO, if their posts had been reversed, the result may have very well been reversed.

CSC 10-12-2009 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
I thought E Z Dreamer ran a real big race in the Phoenix on Friday, especially in light of the fact that he was stepping up in class and had limited experience on synthetics. E Z Dreamer was pinned down inside, and Fatal Bullet was doing a pretty good job laying on him through the stretch. IMO, if their posts had been reversed, the result may have very well been reversed.

I just watched the replay, agree that E Z Dreamer ran a really good race, but the one thing that struck me when watching Dasilva ride FB was the word "prep". Dasilva left something in the tank for SA and quite honestly I think this race was more impressive on second viewing than when I first saw it. FB did it on his own courage and I would expect him to run a bigger race at SA, I'm not sure where the value will be but I don't think either Gayago or Zensational at what might be underlaid odds will be great bets with what they might have to face, based on his race last yr if he didn't run into freak like M Lute, he would be running for back to back titles.

NTamm1215 10-12-2009 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
I just watched the replay, agree that E Z Dreamer ran a really good race, but the one thing that struck me when watching Dasilva ride FB was the word "prep". Dasilva left something in the tank for SA and quite honestly I think this race was more impressive on second viewing than when I first saw it. FB did it on his own courage and I would expect him to run a bigger race at SA, I'm not sure where the value will be but I don't think either Gayago or Zensational at what might be underlaid odds will be great bets with what they might have to face, based on his race last yr if he didn't run into freak like M Lute, he would be running for back to back titles.

You make it sound like the rider was standing in the saddle hand-riding. FB was in a drive just like every other horse in the race. He should be more fit 2nd off the layoff and obviously is OK with Santa Anita, those are reasons to bet him, not because he didn't have a lot taken out of him in his prep.

NT

Scav 10-12-2009 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
That rule was part of the tough new Canadian policies for flat and harness instituted last year.

A great rule at that.....

CSC 10-12-2009 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
You make it sound like the rider was standing in the saddle hand-riding. FB was in a drive just like every other horse in the race. He should be more fit 2nd off the layoff and obviously is OK with Santa Anita, those are reasons to bet him, not because he didn't have a lot taken out of him in his prep.

NT

From what I saw it isn't likely a race where a regression is more likely rather than progression, the jock shook the reins inside 100 yards of the finish line where C Candyman couldn't make up the necessary difference. It was a very useful race in my opinion, but he certainly wasn't ridden to death to win it.

Linny 10-12-2009 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus
Spargo might do a very good job at what you described, but if he thought that Gayego was dead turning for home, then he missed that one.

Didn't think he was "dead" but wasn't sure he was going to make it either. The horse didn't appear to hit high gear until inside the 1/16 pole. He on in a hand ride.

RolloTomasi 10-12-2009 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
Really not a groupie... I just think over that track there is no chance anyone beats him. He is special over that surface.

Didn't he lose to Pomona Derby winner Quindici Man at Santa Anita?

Gander 10-14-2009 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny
I watched this race with Terry Spargo who call races and handicaps Dubai. He's a very good caller, adept at spotting horses that are moving well and even he thought Gayego was beaten turning for home. By mid-stretch he was changing his tune. This was a nice run and if Fatal Bullet takes it to Zensational early, the boys in blue might run over them all.

I can't believe anyone thought Gayego was beat turning for home. All he needed was a clear path and it looked pretty certain he'd find it. He was rolling and wasnt even being asked. Nice horse and a wonderful thing they discovered hes a sprinter after all this time.

cmorioles 10-14-2009 03:40 PM

People actually think that race makes him a Sprint contender?

RockHardTen1985 10-14-2009 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
People actually think that race makes him a Sprint contender?


These people are Gayego crazy, I think Im the only one on here who does not like him.

JJP 10-14-2009 08:28 PM

Stan James is listing Zensational at 11-8......I want no part of a speedball at that low a price on the plastic. At least Gayego's running style fits the track.

RockHardTen1985 10-14-2009 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP
Stan James is listing Zensational at 11-8......I want no part of a speedball at that low a price on the plastic. At least Gayego's running style fits the track.


I saw even money on Z at a few places.


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