"Dancing Northern" Then West to East With Javier Castellano
 

Castellano's battering ride in the "Dancer" has to be seen to be believed.

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Woodbine has the right attitude about kamakaze jocks who ruin races like this one and should tack on a sizable vacation for JC later this week.

JC's mount "Marsh Side" was taken down and placed 4th from 1st after veering across 5-6 paths bumping at least 3 different horses at various parts of a stretch drive that ruined the placings of an otherwise evenly contested 12F G1.

What's the longest number of days a jock has been given for a bowling ball ride like this one?

It was the correct call, what Javier did was inexcusable he showed no regard for the safety of the other riders and horses. The book should be thrown at him for this one.

I agree but how much time should he get..

......as The Fat Man was saying.

To be consistent though I don't usually have many agreements with TFM but this time he is dead on......the guys a successful turf jock but he'd kill many a passenger as an airline pilot!!

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Easy call for the stews. No excuse for an experienced rider to continue to veer in while continuing to hit right handed.

Oh bullshit! It wasn't that bad.The guy was trying to win the race.You armchair "Experts" all think it is so easy for these guys to move these horses around.Lose the weight and get on one yourself and try it out and get back to us all since you think it is so easy.Then we'll sit and throw books at you! It's the same thing over and over on this forum.A trainer wins,you all say he's cheating.A jockey goes a few lanes over,you all think he should be banned for life.Whatever is politically correct to say,you all jump on the bandwagon!

A few lanes? If it was just Quijano who was bothered, then I might let it go. Unfortunately, it wasn't that way. In Dubai, they let Castellano go with just a warning. Do you remember that? They called him in for a reason. Evidently, he didn't learn, and that's also very unfortunate.This isn't Louisiana. He can do this down there, and they will do nothing. He has options.

Well,he has a LOT more experience riding than you,or any of the other "Experts" will ever have in your lives,so your opinions mean nothing until you do it yourself or you "get in the booth".

You're right about my opinion not mattering. Problem is the Stewards say you're wrong. Their opinion matters. Fact is what he did is against the rules. They can choose to overlook it if he didn't bother a horse with run. In this case, a horse had run. They think what he did affected the order of finish. It's not that hard to see if you are objectively looking at it. It's a 2 step process that doesn't include deducing whether I have ridden enough.

1) Did a foul occur? If no, then keep the initial order of finish. If yes, then move to question number two.

2) Did the foul keep a horse from having a better placing? If no, then keep the initial order of finish. If yes, then disqualify the horse.

Which of these two questions did you answer "no" to, or are you just unconcerned with rules etc.?

I agree it was the Correct call But it wasn't as severe as most here are claiming, THe Stewards Looked at this For quite awhile before Making their Descision, That alone should tell everyone that it wasn't that Cut and Dry.

All the riders are trying to win, that is not the point, there are a set of rules in place to:

1. protect the wagering public.
2. adhere safety to the horses and Jockies.
3. Allow all horses a fair chance to win the race.

Champs Elysees probably would have at worst been in a photo to win yesterday if not for the interference, Quijano was cost atleast 1/2 + lengths, no one said riding is easy but when you have a tendency to resort to these sort of tactics and you are considered a very exp rider, an example must be set. Or else you are inviting open season out there on the track. It was absolutely the correct call, unfortunately Drysdale, Marshside and his backers are the one's that paid for JC's braincramp.

I always love this line of reasoning. You can't criticize something unless you've done it professionally.

Hey Canadian stewards can actually follow the rules. Maybe some in the states can take lessons.

All it tells me is that in a G1, high purse race they wanted to take their time and get it right.

Rules 2 and 3 sure, but stewards are never acting to protect the wagering public when it comes to DQs in my opinion.

I'm not criticizing the call by the stewards.I'm criticizing YOU,and your statement of "They should throw the book at him",To which I say Bullshit!
It's fine they took him down,as a matter of fact,I had money with the 8 horse.You just make it sound like he did this intentionally,and that he does this all the time.Javier Castellano is a VERY professional jockey,he rides for top stables,and is VERY good at what he does.To "Throw the book at him" for an infraction like yesterdays is stupid.The stupid jockey's in the race were Starke and Gomez,who knew this horse was fading inward and made an attempt to try and get past him and failed.The smart one was LeParoux,who saw what was unfolding and went outside.

Jimmy Fortune was suspended 3 days on Dar Re Mi for something far less obvious, I would give him 5-7 days to start pending what he has done in his career. In racing a missed weekend of stakes races is a good place to start, in the workplace we have a thing called 'progressive discipline' as the accumulation of offenses increases the harsher the penalties.

Read CSC's first post,then read my first post again.Maybe you will understand better

You won't get an argument from me on that one.

That's why you're not a steward.Ridiculous!

This is where we disagree, I'm not sure of his record in previous suspensions or even if he has been suspended before but he's ridden on the line before, I think he has to be made aware of this. Not punishing him is just sending a message to all the other riders and JC to ride at all costs to win. The hell with the rules so to speak.

So the two inside horses had no business being inside of a horse running in the 5 PATH????? The jocks on these two horses were supposed to know the idiot on the horse in the 5 path would start hitting him right handed and not stop despite drifting into their path?

The 2 top herders in the country are

Javier Castellano -- East Coast

Chantal Sutherland -- when she rides in CALI


When Chantal rides in WO, she DOESN'T HERD. She rides 'fair'.

When Castellano rides in WO, as he learned yesterday, he also DOESN'T HERD.

The game is simple when the stewards allow races to be run fairly.

Allowing jocks to herd, like the NYRA and CALI stewards do, and then taking other horses down for NOT keeping a straight path is about as IRRATIONAL as it gets. No wonder hardly anyone has any faith in the stewards in CALI and NY.

I've switched my tack from, primarily, NYRA, to, primarily, WO. One reason (among many) is that I don't need to worry about jocks like Castellano constantly trying to get unfair advantages; and the stewards allowing them to do so.

I've stated this many times previously and I'll state it again: by continuing to herd at will AND refusing to be herded, Castellano will, at some point, hurt or kill another jock or jocks. And, this, IMO, will be on the stewards for not taking action to stop it.

Where do you get the idea he wasn't punished?He had a huge purse taken away from him!!!!

And that's it, that's enough? What a good deterrent to stop offending. :rolleyes:

I would think that losing 30 grand may sting a little.

Miami looking for points to be awarded for time of possession tonight Chuck?

Why they became passive with 5 minutes to play is a mystery to me.

LB,

Not sure that after the fact financial penalties are enough of a motivator to change behavior. I think the underlying theme for the disdain for Castellano's performance(s) from people here, stems more from a growing displeasure with the lack of pro-active action from American big track stewards on this topic than with Castellano and his weekend antics specifically.

This issue has been broached repeatedly on ATR, especially with Tony Black on his segment, and the reality seems to be that the days of the stewards' film patrol set-downs with riders, particularly younger riders, is long gone. There was a time when dangerous riding brought instant recognition from the 'stand', and attempts were made to educate the offending jock(s) in film sessions on dark days. But I don't think any venue is doing that anymore.

The general/casual indifference from stews in this country, on this issue, is a real concern. No where else in the world is there such a non-policy towards over-aggressive effort, or conversely non-effort...

Why has that become the norm Steve? Not to suggest "Jockey's" is reality, but they spent a recent episode on Corey Nakatani and the CHRB with C Nak called in by the stews to process a ride that was borderline seemingly implying that the dark day school was still a practice of significant prevalence. What does NYRA admin say about this issue off the record when you ask guys like Dr Hill and Mr Baeza, if they are the guys still in charge of the stews?

Not sure when/where/why this non-action commenced.. It may fall into the same bailiwick of moderate or general inaction against positive violations, which is based in no small part on concern over legal wrangling that can result. State budgets are limited and it seems that few jurisdictions have the wherewithal these days to follow through on the drawn out appeal process of our current legal climate.

Since state run agencies like Racing Boards are invariably connected to state governments, it isn't totally surprising that there is a concerted effort to avoid things things like legal tie-ups. And just as with efforts to curb trainer/vet envelope-pushing, failure to adequately discipline careless or lazy jocks is a disservice to the game's safety and integrity.