Prior to Pioneer Of the Nile.. who was your all-time favorite Baffert trained sire
 

Take your pick...

I left off Real Quiet by the way .... even though he stands for like 5K in PA .. he's had a few good ones.

Forestry has had like 1.5 awesome horses and a ton of busts ... but he gets mega negative points for siring The Green Monkey.

How about Indian Charlie?

That stallion is pretty good so I didn't include him....

but yeah, the poster with that name does suck.

El Corredor hasn't been a complete bust either I guess. Probably the 2nd best Baffert trained stallion

Icecoldbeeratreds and Inexcessivelygood..

Maimonides

Has Silver Charm been sent to Korea? If so I have a feeling he could have be the surprise ingredient on Iron Chef Korea! Iron Chef Park made a wonderful saddle of horse, of coarse the sauce was runny.

Bob and John

Did Baffert also train Isitingood?

Yeah, but I believe he might have died before siring anything. I don't remember any horses by Isitingood.

It wasn't so long ago that Exploit and Forestry were supposed to be the hot new thing.

Silver Charm has a G1-place multiple G2 winner this year (Miss Isella), plus a fair number of SWs, including Preachinatthebar, Silver Highlight and Silver Impulse in Canada, etc., and a lot of mid level allowance/upper level claimers who earned a good bit of money, ie $100K+. But no 'headline horses' or big yearling sellers, so it was off to Japan for him. His mistake was being a top horse with an unfashionable pedigree, not a bad one (his sire was a G1 winner who had sired other G1 winners after all), and later maturing stock. And Silver Charm has sired winners in Japan already.

Vindication died after he had only one or two crops, as I recall. Isitingood died before he sired a foal (thank the racing gods; can you imagine the names his foals would be given?).

War Emblem sired something like 20% SWs in his first small crops so the Japanese have persevered with him and his more recent crops have been bigger. More good is expected from him.

Indian Charlie is a calbred son of In Excess out of a Leo Castelli mare. You don't get anymore unfashionable a pedigree than that, so besides him being an insanely great race horse, how do you account for his success? Especially considering the truly awful books of mares he has had sent to him?

Had to vote Point Given since one of my mares is in foal to him. Hope the A+++ nick comes thru.........

...And not the crappy confirmation?

All this really shows is how much Baffert accomplishes with horses with unfashionable pedigrees, most of whom go on to be "disappointing" sires.

There are lots of horses with unfashionable pedigrees who go on to become reasonably decent sires.

Officer was a brilliant 2 year old, he hasn't been a complete bust and is still a relatively young Stallion.

Actually, he got off to a real nice start in his first crop, then sorta dropped off the planet with subsequent crops.

Perhaps his first crop of runners that were sired after his first runners came around will be improved.

Yes, like Indian Charlie. But it stacks the deck against the stallion to begin with.

I just try to do the best I can by my mares. The Gulch line really fits this mare well so my choices are Gulch, Thunder Gulch, Point Given, Scrimshaw, The Cliffs Edge, Kipling. I went the cheaper route with Scimshaw last year and so far am pleased with the yearling. I got a pretty good deal with Point Given so I took the shot.

or that slow turn of foot.

I remember going into the BC, he was considered somewhat invincible that week. After losing to Johannesburg he was rushed into a Restricted Cal stk a week later and lost to Yonagushka I believe it was. Not one of Baffert's smartest moves but he was brilliant up until that point, he never seemed quite the same after that.

Byk had really touted Repent to me in that race.. & I liked Johannesburg and thought Officer was a given to hit the board. So I bet a 3 horse TRIFECTA box... when all the other races that day I was betting 3 horse EXACTA boxes. I kept that ticket in my wallet for a LONG time to remind myself not to be too greedy..

Point Given had a slow turn of foot?

NT

I was not too smart on this one, for some reason I neglected Johannesburg because I wasn't convinced he could handle the dirt. :zz: Duh...By Hennessy...I think I took Simphonic that day totally expecting Officer to win as he did in the Champagne. Yeah Repent ran a heck of a race and Officer was shown who the General really was, I think that was the quote from Kinane after he won.

Point Given doesn't have "crappy confirmation" (and didn't have a slow turn of foot, although many of his offspring do). He's just a big heavy horse who probably needs to have his mares carefully chosen for him--which presumably the poster going to him has done.

And your opinions on "confirmation" would carry more weight if you could spell the word.

Or maybe not.

Point Given has been a brutal sire.

He's basically had two good horses in Go Between and Sealy Hill ... both of which couldn't outrun a goat on dirt and were basically poly/turfers ... and not exactly great poly/turf types at that.

At least Real Quiet's two good horses (Midnight Lute and Pussycat Doll) were monsters .. but with that said .. he's still probably overpriced even standing for peanuts in Pennsylvania.

What was that Real Quiet that what's his name that used to frequent here bought or sold, I can't remember which? I think she won a couple of graded stakes.

Wonder Lady Anne L?

She had a scruffy looking Giant's Causeway go through the ring today or yesterday.

That's her - she won the CCA Oaks or some such race, no?

Real Quiet and Cat Thief are both standing in PA now, but it gets better - coming in 2010...MONBA!!!!

yeah.

She was awful. A Funny Moon type.

I distinctly recall your trying to convince me she was a very nice filly.

She was no R Lady Joy, that's for sure.

Probably sarcastically ... as I thought Pine Island was a wildly overrated slug.

Yeah, I knew you never liked Pine Island.

I used to rip on WLA though whenever you brought her up and you defended her for all her honor. That probably should have tipped me off.

Very interesting comments about Point Given. I didnt realize there were so many talented breeders on here. I guess my question would then be if your mare matched the best to the Gulch line who would you send her to?

Why, Giant's Causeway, of course.

:)